A night out - some observations

pettyofficerj said:
Ronja said:
INJERA70 said:
Why should the world pity African American men, hell most of the world is trying to be like us, I can't count the times that folks in general have told me you got Africans fronting like they are from NYC when they are in Europe just to rope some chicks. I think African Americans are doing quite good here, now if you watch the news of course they are going to throw up a black face it is ratings. I have nothing against my African brothers success here in America and wish them well,but not all of them are doing better than the natives that is a statement to get black people world wide divided. You also have more poor white people and more white folks on welfare and also on drugs I think the world should pity them, as for myself and my family we are doing fine. Hell if anything Africans get shit on more than anybody else, I have a friend here who says that if Africa is so ok and they are doing so much better than the AA here then why are they not returning to their countries to help it out.(his words not mine) Oh and I don't need anybodies pity.
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Hey, don't shoot the messenger...

And I never said Africa is OK. I said Africans in the US are doing very OK. Don't turn this into a debate on Africa btw. We're here to talk about why you people only get fat chicks...
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Some Chick said:
It's actually quite interesting situation you're in to be honest. African-American men are doing so poorly, you've managed to get what's probably the worst reputation on this planet. (Sorry, you do. People do pity you though. Like they pity anyone who's poor and oppressed.)
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He's not turning this into a debate about africa..he's responding to what you commented about African Americans, in general, and our oh so bad reputation.
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Thank you.
 
aye, I got your back

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btw, how do you know african-americans have the worst reputation on the planet?

is there some sort of mathematical equation, that only a select few people know about, that produces that result, or what..
 
yeah yeah...
Back on topic...

Does anyone of you have a better, or even another, explanation to what Malikom is saying?

If not, do you at least have an idea about what to do with your "bangin' chick"-problem?

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Now, let me just spread a bit of love first, cause I'm starting to feel mean. That's what happens to people with conscience...
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P.S: I didn't say "the worst" reputation, I said "probably the worst". But ok , I'll admit it, perhaps you don't have the worst reputation on the planet. But in the western world, definitely... Sorry... It might be because you're so good at spreading your own "culture" through music etc... a huge number of those rap-artists are not exactly good ambassadors... I don't know though- I'm just trying to give you what might be one explanation...
 
Ronja said:
yeah yeah...
Back on topic...

Does anyone of you have a better, or even another, explanation to what Malikom is saying?
If not, do you at least have an idea about what to do with your "bangin' chick"-problem?

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Now, let me just spread a bit of love first, cause I'm starting to feel mean. That's what happens to people with conscience...
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why not just ask the man himself...before his account gets banned

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Ronja obviously got her feelings hurt or else she wouldn't be lashing out like a child. :lol:

Let's see if the female PC Squad jumps on her for saying most Americans (and by inference American white women) are fat. :roll:
 
Ronja said:
malikom said:
why not discuss and come to an explanation?
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Ok, let's do that. Then we have to, for the arguments sake, say you are right *sigh*

First of all, realize that every human on this planet have certain "assets" that make them attractive to others. It can be looks, money, education, etc etc. What one person finds attractive, might not be what another person finds attractive though- we all got different taste and different values. But some things are usually considered "good" or "bad" by everyone.
That shouldn't be so hard to agree on, right?

Ok, let me tell you a not too hidden secret. African-American men have an EXTREMELY poor reputation. Everyone knows that statistically, if you're an African-American man, you're probably unemployed, poor, got low education and you've got a criminal record. Statistically, African-American men are total loosers. (We're not going into reasons for this, that's very off-topic. Let's just be truthful enough to admit, that's how reality is.)

So you've got this huge bunch of unemployed, uneducated, poor, criminal men... Who's doing much worse in your society than any other group is. Including your own women. What do you think an average member of a group like that has to offer?

Honestly, even if he happen to have good looks, he probably got so little "assets" left, that he'll have to accept someone with little "assets" himself. So, he can settle for a "wigger" who herself is pretty (but uneducated, criminal and unemployed) or he can find a "normal" woman- who happen to be not so pretty.

Statistically, a huge number of African-American men you see, will truly be BOTB. And not just exterior-wise. Of course they'll end up with BOTB-women. No matter which colour they pick from.

How many successful BM do you see with BOTB-WW? There are members here who are doctors, and/or got phd's. Do you think they got BOTB-women? Not bloody likely...

If you pull your pants up, get an education, and stop dealing for a living, you'll have an easier time getting a quality woman too. It's as simple as that...

Anyway, as you have pointed out on several occasions, WW are attracted to ugly guys. You know, the ones black women, Asian women, and Latino women don't want. So I don't even understand your problem any more. Your complaint is that BM who are so ugly that they can't find any other women, start dating ugly white women?

Sorry, that any ugly man have a hard time getting a "bangin' chick" (especially when he's uneducated, criminal and poor), shouldn't really be a huge surprise. I don't even understand why you think this is just a black problem. I promise you, even an ugly WHITE man, will tell you he has a hard time finding a "bangin' chick".
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What little I know of Ronja (based on her posts here) I think she was being sarcastic. Lets all just relax a little. (Did I just say that?) At least I hope she was, but my sacasm radar has been screwed up the last month or so.

The problem is she let Malikom get under her skin and now she's on the war-path. (Ronja, your my girl, but thats just the way it sounds.) And Im not saying she's being defensive becuase she falls into Malikom or FEHG's "little group." But I think she's fed-up with the whole "having to defend IR relationships and people judging other people." (If I may be so bold to speak on her behalf.)
 
karmacoma. said:
Let's see if the female PC Squad jumps on her for saying most Americans (and by inference American white women) are fat. :roll:
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I don't think they will. Anyone who watches TV or read a newspaper occasionally, knows that the whole western world got a serious obesity-problem. With you guys in the lead...

Here's what United states department of health and human services write:
The crisis is obesity. It’s the fastest-growing cause of disease and death in America. And it’s completely preventable.

* Nearly two out of every three Americans are overweight or obese.
* One out of every eight deaths in America is caused by an illness directly related to overweight and obesity.
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http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/news/testimony/obesity07162003.htm
 
Ronja said:
karmacoma. said:
Let's see if the female PC Squad jumps on her for saying most Americans (and by inference American white women) are fat. :roll:
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I don't think they will. Anyone who watches TV or read a newspaper occasionally, knows that the whole western world got a serious obesity-problem. With you guys in the lead...

Here's what United states department of health and human services write:
The crisis is obesity. It’s the fastest-growing cause of disease and death in America. And it’s completely preventable.

* Nearly two out of every three Americans are overweight or obese.
* One out of every eight deaths in America is caused by an illness directly related to overweight and obesity.
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http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/news/testimony/obesity07162003.htm
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All this data from a 300 lb. pregnant chick. Oh the irony.

Let it go, Ronja.
 
karmacoma. said:
All this data from a 300 lb. pregnant chick. Oh the irony.
Let it go, Ronja.
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Is "you're fat and ugly" really the best argument your brain is capable of producing?
:shock:

I've already dared people: make some real arguments, and we can have a SERIOUS discussion about this, as Malikom so desperately wanted.

So, Karma: Why do YOU think BM mostly get fat chicks?
 
karmacoma. said:
Ronja said:
karmacoma. said:
Let's see if the female PC Squad jumps on her for saying most Americans (and by inference American white women) are fat. :roll:
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I don't think they will. Anyone who watches TV or read a newspaper occasionally, knows that the whole western world got a serious obesity-problem. With you guys in the lead...

Here's what United states department of health and human services write:
The crisis is obesity. It’s the fastest-growing cause of disease and death in America. And it’s completely preventable.

* Nearly two out of every three Americans are overweight or obese.
* One out of every eight deaths in America is caused by an illness directly related to overweight and obesity.
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http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/news/testimony/obesity07162003.htm
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All this data from a 300 lb. pregnant chick. Oh the irony.

Let it go, Ronja.
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Oooooh shit... :smt073
 
jellybird said:
(I was going to co-sign on Ronja's first statement, but as I contined to read I realized that I would be co-signing my ass off...so...)

Malikom...Ive said it once and Ill say it again...youre an idiot. End of discussion.

FEHG, I dont know why someone else's dating preference bothers you. One thing Ive observed in life is that unhappy people are bothered when they see other people who appear to be happy. People who are happy and "in love" love to see others who are happy. Draw your own conclusion about yourself.

And to expound Ronja's example, lets use you as example since your personally bothered by the ww/bm dating in "Zim." You date black men. Now there are alot of white men who would say that you date black men (which are considered by white men to be "bottom of the barrel-I HATE THAT PHRASE!) because you cant land a decent white guy. Maybe white guys look at you as a BOTB (UGH!) white woman and wouldnt touch you with a 10 foot pole?

Whats wrong with you that you cant keep a decent looking white guy? Are you an ugly, unattractive ww? Or are you a "good looking" ww but so emotionally and psychologically screwed up that white guys cut you loose as soon as you open your mouth? Or are you bad in the sack and white guys keep dumping you after that first night of truly terrible sex? I mean, come on, there's got to be something wrong with you because no ww in her right mind would really be attracted to a black guy?

So before we analyze and fix the ww/bm dating in "ZIm," lets fix you first so that you can date a nice white guy and stop scraping the BOTB ( :smt078) by dating black guys.

(I can already hear Lucifer in the background sharpening his knives...)
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Jelly,

In case you didn't read my previous posts - I am not bothered...It was merely an observation, which I thought warranted some discussion...Since this is a website to discuss ww/bm issues...

The people I am referring to do not appear happy - as illuded to in a previous post also.

I'm no in Zim - I'm in Australia and my bf is from Zim - the group of people are from Zim. I originally referred to it as ww/african men..but re-thought, because the group is wholly from Zim, so perhaps its a cultural things from there.

You are perfectly correct - maybe other people do see me as BOTB..I would not argue with you there. As also previously stated, many of his friends probably wonder what he's doing with me, as I am quiet and shy and unlike everyone else...hence my comments on why I can't find anyone to chat to...

I also previously stated that "it is probably me" because I realise that
I am the odd one out here.

And I never said that ww are scraping the barrel by dating the bm...what I actually said was I don't know why these otherwise seemingly decent bm are (what I consider to be) dating below what they could get. I don't even have a problem with that - There isn't a single one who is considered "a catch" in polite circles...not one...that is something I find strange...

Go to any group, any club, and there will be somewhat of a mix going on - this group - completely homogenous demographic...I was wondering why.
 
FEHG said:
jellybird said:
(I was going to co-sign on Ronja's first statement, but as I contined to read I realized that I would be co-signing my ass off...so...)

Malikom...Ive said it once and Ill say it again...youre an idiot. End of discussion.

FEHG, I dont know why someone else's dating preference bothers you. One thing Ive observed in life is that unhappy people are bothered when they see other people who appear to be happy. People who are happy and "in love" love to see others who are happy. Draw your own conclusion about yourself.

And to expound Ronja's example, lets use you as example since your personally bothered by the ww/bm dating in "Zim." You date black men. Now there are alot of white men who would say that you date black men (which are considered by white men to be "bottom of the barrel-I HATE THAT PHRASE!) because you cant land a decent white guy. Maybe white guys look at you as a BOTB (UGH!) white woman and wouldnt touch you with a 10 foot pole?

Whats wrong with you that you cant keep a decent looking white guy? Are you an ugly, unattractive ww? Or are you a "good looking" ww but so emotionally and psychologically screwed up that white guys cut you loose as soon as you open your mouth? Or are you bad in the sack and white guys keep dumping you after that first night of truly terrible sex? I mean, come on, there's got to be something wrong with you because no ww in her right mind would really be attracted to a black guy?

So before we analyze and fix the ww/bm dating in "ZIm," lets fix you first so that you can date a nice white guy and stop scraping the BOTB ( :smt078) by dating black guys.
(I can already hear Lucifer in the background sharpening his knives...)
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Jelly,

In case you didn't read my previous posts - I am not bothered...It was merely an observation, which I thought warranted some discussion...Since this is a website to discuss ww/bm issues...

The people I am referring to do not appear happy - as illuded to in a previous post also.

I'm no in Zim - I'm in Australia and my bf is from Zim - the group of people are from Zim. I originally referred to it as ww/african men..but re-thought, because the group is wholly from Zim, so perhaps its a cultural things from there.

You are perfectly correct - maybe other people do see me as BOTB..I would not argue with you there. As also previously stated, many of his friends probably wonder what he's doing with me, as I am quiet and shy and unlike everyone else...hence my comments on why I can't find anyone to chat to...

I also previously stated that "it is probably me" because I realise that
I am the odd one out here.

And I never said that ww are scraping the barrel by dating the bm...what I actually said was I don't know why these otherwise seemingly decent bm are (what I consider to be) dating below what they could get. I don't even have a problem with that - There isn't a single one who is considered "a catch" in polite circles...not one...that is something I find strange...

Go to any group, any club, and there will be somewhat of a mix going on - this group - completely homogenous demographic...I was wondering why.
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Seriously, Fehg, I can't imagine anyone who has read your posts in the past put you in with the 'low self-esteem, any man will do' group. And you were simply posting an observation and asking about it - it's a freaking forum created for the purpose of discussion. WTF?

And jelly, maybe I'm taking that whole paragraph wrong - but what is up with the personal attacks? I really think you could have made whatever point you thought was necessary without going there.
 
KarmaC, Ronja always brings out the stats of ever other nation but her own. As for the female PC police,I believe the crickets are chirping.
 
Seriously, Fehg, I can't imagine anyone who has read your posts in the past put you in with the 'low self-esteem, any man will do' group. And you were simply posting an observation and asking about it - it's a freaking forum created for the purpose of discussion. WTF?
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:D thanks fsp.
No, I don't think I'm in that category...but what other people think of me, I don't know....and it's true that if I am thinking thes things about other people, then they may very well be thinking them about me...That's life.

I know what I am and what I'm not...and I'm totally ok with that.

But I do believe in the "don't judge lest you be judged idea". If I make these statements, I have to be prepared for other people to think poorly of me. The fact is, I just don't let it bother me.

Unfortunately, a very good way to study things (in all of nature) is to group/catagorise/find commonalities and draw conclusions. It's not fool proof, and doesn't result in complete truisms, but it is a method to form understanding. That is how steretypes exist...

I would most definitely rather be single than go down the "any man will do" path! ;)

ok, I was posting an observation with the hope that people will debate and come to some conclusions as to why this is occurring. If I thought I had all the answers in my head, I wouldn't have bothered.... which is the point of a forum (as you said).
 
Ronja said:
INJERA70 said:
Good observation Ronja, but you also got a lot of college educated black men out there also, I can see that you making these generalizations to try and make malikom upset. I can speak on American blacks because I am from here and I personally know that not all black men are doing bad and are dealing drugs some might be but not all. Now let's get back on topic with the dating, I will admit I have seen some brothers out there with some bangers but the majority that I have observed are with obese chicks I won't call them bottom of the barrel but I will say that they won't get a twice over from a lot of folks.
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Sorry, not trying to upset Malikom. Malikom asked for an explanation to the phenomenon, I'm trying to give it to him. Sort of figured out that it doesn't look like we're going to be considerate with each other on this board any more, so why bother wrapping it in...
(Also, for the record, the majority on men on this board seems very lovely. But, to be honest, I somewhat doubt that the men here are representative for the average African-American male...)

I didn't say ALL African-American men are BOTB, I said the majority. Just like you're not saying ALL their women are fat, only the majority. Statistically, we're both right on! Most Americans, no matter which gender or colour, are fat.

It's actually quite interesting situation you're in to be honest. African-American men are doing so poorly, you've managed to get what's probably the worst reputation on this planet. (Sorry, you do. People do pity you though. Like they pity anyone who's poor and oppressed.)In most countries, what you see is that immigrants statistically are doing worse than the rest of the population. That makes sense, since they come without much- all they got usually fits in their heads and a suitcase. For the black population in US however, it's the opposite. Africans, and their children, are doing WAY better than the "natives"... Looking at it from the outside, it's quite fascinating...

Oh well, back on topic...

So, your saying the couples you've SEEN got fat women- what do you know about those men, other than they're BM? Do you know anything about their educational background, socio-economic status etc? Do you know anything about the women? No you don't. You can't. Cause you've only SEEN them. How about talking about people you know in stead? How many decent BM do you know, who end up with BOTB-women? And how many truly successful BM do you know, who end up with BOTB-women?

Anyway, as I said, the majority of Americans are fat. That means that the huge majority of ANY couple, will have at least one fat person. Why would black/white-couples be any different?
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LMAO...
 
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