NFL QB National Anthem Protest

qaz1 said:
All that's nice of you to say, Bliss. But I've gotta know, how is such an avowed Trump supporter also into black guys lol??? He historically isn't a fan of us. Just curious :D
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I've met some of the most incredible Black men (not here) who understand that President Trump wants America and ALL AMERICANS to thrive. That he wants a collective powerhouse of citizens employed, contributing to the economy and protecting this slice of heaven on the planet we are blessed to be a part of. This is your country, Your home, your neighborhood - don't give it away.
He wants to make sure whoever wants to join you, are vetted and pay their fair share. Make sure they are pro for you, for your country.

I don't understand the automatic and rabid hate from some people. They're no different than the crazy alt-right who hate everything not like them. This shit is so deep (State), it's scary at times.

I think that you haven't been exposed to other Black men (and women) who have a different perspective than the bubble one that exists here.
 
Bliss said:
I've met some of the most incredible Black men (not here) who understand that President Trump wants America and ALL AMERICANS to thrive. That he wants a collective powerhouse of citizens employed, contributing to the economy and protecting this slice of heaven on the planet we are blessed to be a part of. This is your country, Your home, your neighborhood - don't give it away.
He wants to make sure whoever wants to join you, are vetted and pay their fair share. Make sure they are pro for you, for your country.

I don't understand the automatic and rabid hate from some people. They're no different than the crazy alt-right who hate everything not like them. This shit is so deep (State), it's scary at times.

I think that you haven't been exposed to other Black men (and women) who have a different perspective than the bubble one that exists here.
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That's definitely one of the more eloquent Trump defenses I've seen. I do vehemently oppose it though lol. But on a more productive note....

Trump supporters tend (largely) to fall in one of two categories: those who just want conservative policies no matter how they get em, and those who just want someone to burn down the old (unfair) system. You seem like the former; is that accurate?

Do you have any issues with his temperament or character at all? You mentioned black guys hating on Trump. But I'd actually asked about Trump's history of hating on black guys. Have you any thoughts on that?

I assume you're familiar with his greatest hits. Let me know if you're not. It should be easy to get you a list lol.
 
qaz1 said:
That's definitely one of the more eloquent Trump defenses I've seen. I do vehemently oppose it though lol. But on a more productive note....

Trump supporters tend (largely) to fall in one of two categories: those who just want conservative policies no matter how they get em, and those who just want someone to burn down the old (unfair) system. You seem like the former; is that accurate?

Do you have any issues with his temperament or character at all? You mentioned black guys hating on Trump. But I'd actually asked about Trump's history of hating on black guys. Have you any thoughts on that?

I assume you're familiar with his greatest hits. Let me know if you're not. It should be easy to get you a list lol.
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I'm more of the latter, actually. I really don't like the open borders/one world order or the Elites running it all. All carreer politicians make me sick.

Of course Trump says stupid things at times, he's not an orator he's from New York and he grew up with that New York State of Mind. If you come to Philly, you would be shocked at some of the way people speak to you.

As far as his record with black people. His employees always had nice things to say about him. They said that he would say hello and speak to them, from the bellhop, the bag carrier, all the way up to his Executives, that he was(is) very personable. Various organizations of the Black Community awarded him allocades before he was elected. Prominent black people loved him, dined with him, visited his homes, went on vacations with him, and it all stopped when they were told to step in line and support Hillary.

I think l know what you will bring up per the list but l will let you speak and be happy to go through the list good and bad.
 
Bliss said:
I'm more of the latter, actually. I really don't like the open borders/one world order or the Elites running it all. All carreer politicians make me sick.

Of course Trump says stupid things at times, he's not an orator he's from New York and he grew up with that New York State of Mind. If you come to Philly, you would be shocked at some of the way people speak to you.

As far as his record with black people. His employees always had nice things to say about him. They said that he would say hello and speak to them, from the bellhop, the bag carrier, all the way up to his Executives, that he was(is) very personable. Various organizations of the Black Community awarded him allocades before he was elected. Prominent black people loved him, dined with him, visited his homes, went on vacations with him, and it all stopped when they were told to step in line and support Hillary.

I think l know what you will bring up per the list but l will let you speak and be happy to go through the list good and bad.
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I won't have time to get into that list tonight, but let me know if you're really interesting in going down that road.

But for now, I want to ask about T's speaking. You mention he isn't a polished speaker, that he says stupid things. This is true. But his detractors aren't nearly as concerned with inartful speech as they are with what that speech says about his character/heart.

Do you have no problem with his character (as you evaluate it)?
 
qaz1 said:
I won't have time to get into that list tonight, but let me know if you're really interesting in going down that road.

But for now, I want to ask about T's speaking. You mention he isn't a polished speaker, that he says stupid things. This is true. But his detractors aren't nearly as concerned with inartful speech as they are with what that speech says about his character/heart.

Do you have no problem with his character (as you evaluate it)?
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I understand, this site can steal your time. I'm busy for the next two day, so we can continue then if you like. I appreciate your non-mob mentality and willingness to have a normal discussion. You're a gem.
 
As the resident New Yorker Trump is far from representative of the culture or the people. He's an obvious racist who not only exercised housing discrimination based on race he also took out ads against the central park five and even when they were exonerated he double downed and claimed they had to be guilty of something. And to say he's outside of the establishment is the very definition of asinine hypocrisy. He was born into extreme wealth (nothing like everyday hard working people), he only surrounds himself with the elite (including the black people he knows) and he just signed a tax cut that will fuck over the working class in epic proportions. And this complete myth of open boarders has to stop its simply untrue. As one of the few people who comes from recent immigrants and has had family that's immigrated recently the process is incredibly hard. I've had cousins that took anywhere from 4 years to 9 years to get allowed into the country. No one is just being allowed come here and stay here without consequence.
And for the sake of perspective there have always been misguided oppositional oppressed people. There were black people who advocated FOR Jim Crow and slavery women who were/are against women's rights Jews who supported Nazis. Just because you found black men either so deep in a bubble real world events don't effect them or they don't see themselves as "new black".
 
GFunk said:
I did mention her being black. Post must've gotten messed up when I edited it.

But Egyptian is just a nationality. This is a black woman. May be mixed, but that's Afican blood in there


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Being around and surrounded by Egyptian people most of my life, they have a strong identity as being Egyptian, full stop. They don't identify by race like we do in the U.SA.

However, for purposes of this discussion, she looks 100% traditional Egyptian, and yes, she most definitely has African DNA in her lineage.
(*that top pic is like looking at my first cousin. Her name, Nessa, is Greek, also.)
 
The Dark King said:
As the resident New Yorker Trump is far from representative of the culture or the people. He's an obvious racist who not only exercised housing discrimination based on race he also took out ads against the central park five and even when they were exonerated he double downed and claimed they had to be guilty of something. And to say he's outside of the establishment is the very definition of asinine hypocrisy. He was born into extreme wealth (nothing like everyday hard working people), he only surrounds himself with the elite (including the black people he knows) and he just signed a tax cut that will fuck over the working class in epic proportions. And this complete myth of open boarders has to stop its simply untrue. As one of the few people who comes from recent immigrants and has had family that's immigrated recently the process is incredibly hard. I've had cousins that took anywhere from 4 years to 9 years to get allowed into the country. No one is just being allowed come here and stay here without consequence.
And for the sake of perspective there have always been misguided oppositional oppressed people. There were black people who advocated FOR Jim Crow and slavery women who were/are against women's rights Jews who supported Nazis. Just because you found black men either so deep in a bubble real world events don't effect them or they don't see themselves as "new black".
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Agreed, and you're totally on point! As a fellow NYC native I can agree that NY'ers often tend to be a bit brash at the least. However, this POTUS is a totally different animal, and not at all like the typical NY'er.
 
Y'all thoughts?


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ColiBreh1 said:
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andreboba said:
I can't believe Marcellus went there.
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And just what racism does. It turns people on each other. Especially black people. Smh. Also I would like to note we have seen what Kim Kardashian is doing when it comes to prison reform and she has layed it out. I'm still waiting on what Jay-Z and The NFL plans are on social justice. Because they didn't seem to go into much about that.
 
darkcurry said:
And just what racism does. It turns people on each other. Especially black people. Smh. Also I would like to note we have seen what Kim Kardashian is doing when it comes to prison reform and she has layed it out. I'm still waiting on what Jay-Z and The NFL plans are on social justice. Because they didn't seem to go into much about that.
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He's always been about ownership to help your own people rather than waiting on others. I'm eager to see where it goes too.
And dude says Kap ain't black enough needs to go somewhere else with that nonsense. Plain and simple dude is doing the work and was taking the consequences for it. Just because it eventually worked out doesn't erase the years dude's livelihood was effected and them dragging his name through the mud.
Now if it weren't for that piece I'd agree. I do have an issue with racially ambiguous people being the face of black oppression but in this instance Kap is right where he should be.
 
I wonder what percentage of those that complained about Jay-Z were actually boycotting.

As for me, I couldn't care less about the NFL. I already banned them for life. In 2019, if you can't find another way to entertain yourself then you're part of the problem.
 
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