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Ra said:
That's like saying soap operas fail because they are primarly aimed at women. Damn near all of these CW shows are aimed at young girls & women. Hell the majority of the "IR" shows that some of ya'll be ranting and raving about in that IR TV Show thread cater to a mostly female audience. Shit will do fine without the dinosaur dude bro set watching.
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Then you haven't been watching the numbers. Arrow and Flash have been tanking like an anchor since they've pushed this water down nonsense. Women may shop more but as far as entertainment goes men fuel this engine. If you think the superhero genre is going to survive without men we'll have to see I guess. Black Lightning is a great example of what happens when you make something strictly for women in the action genre.
 
samson1701 said:
Missed my point entirely. But, that may be my fault for not explaining my reasoning. I'm not thinking so much about the "dinosaur dude bro set(if that's even a thing)." My thoughts are on the actual target market; teens and young adults. Are there enough girls, who are into superhero/occult/scifi stuff, to sustain a whole network?

Sure, some shows will do fine with it. But, a whole network? Viewership is down on most of the CW. That timing seems to correspond with the pivot to more "girls first, center and always" story telling. Boys and young men generally want their heroes to be self possessed and capable of beating the bad guy without having to check with his girl. They're not checking for that kind of stuff. The CW is, in effect, halfing their core audience.
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Half? Less than that. This may sound sexist but women aren't entertained the way we are and more importantly they don't live with in their imagination the way men do. Women aren't buying life size action figures of Batman, they aren't playing pretend with a bow and arrow to the degree men do. The reason you have characters like Superman and Batman last for several decades is because little boys and grown men fantasize about being them. If the action fantasy genre becomes "uplifting" women at the expense of men at every turn everyone loses. Girl fans actually like seeing men kick ass and save women as long as they aren't overbearing about it. The current writing appeals to fans with fleeting interests who will flock to the next thing men like because they either want to be men or envy them. I probably sound like a broken recodrd with the Buffy example but a large part of why that show was so damn successful was because it was so light hearted and the character just so happened to be a woman and it didn't dominate the show and they didn't need to make men look bad in order to deliver a good show.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
It's always been like that going back to the old WB Network (with plenty of exceptions though). The CW doing all these DC shows & non-DC genre shows (i.e. "The 100", "The Tomorrow People", & etc.) over the last half decade or so was a big pivot from that though.
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Has it? Yeah there were female leads like in Charmed but Supernatural was a great example of a male lead show that didn't pander to girls but did great. Smallville was pretty great as well and even though some might disagree but shows like Xena and Hercules did great as well.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
It's always been like that going back to the old WB Network (with plenty of exceptions though). The CW doing all these DC shows & non-DC genre shows (i.e. "The 100", "The Tomorrow People", & etc.) over the last half decade or so was a big pivot from that though.
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The Dark King said:
Has it? Yeah there were female leads like in Charmed but Supernatural was a great example of a male lead show that didn't pander to girls but did great. Smallville was pretty great as well and even though some might disagree but shows like Xena and Hercules did great as well.
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I did mention in my previous post there are plenty of exceptions. "Supernatural", "Smallvile", "Angel", & etc. are examples of those exceptions.
 
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The Dark King said:
Then you haven't been watching the numbers. Arrow and Flash have been tanking like an anchor since they've pushed this water down nonsense. Women may shop more but as far as entertainment goes men fuel this engine. If you think the superhero genre is going to survive without men we'll have to see I guess. Black Lightning is a great example of what happens when you make something strictly for women in the action genre.
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Like it's been mentioned CW since it's WB days has primarly heavily women driven shows. The much praised Buffy the Vampire Slayer and it spin-off child Angel was aimed at a female audience. Supernatural went beyond it ending rightfully years ago due it's female fan base. The diffence now is more women actually working as producers, showrunners, writers and directors on shit so now it's actual female voice and slant to content than when dudes do it. Nobody had issues with shit as long as dudes were the creative talent and controled content.

Same exact thing going on at the comic book end of things as far as female characters, non white characters & gay characters. More women helming female characters, more non white folks handling non white characters & gay folks handlling gay characters rather than the long standing practice of primarily white dudes being the voice for everybody & everything. Motherfuckers wanting to maintain the status quo & gate keep shit are the ones having problems and showing their asses because it's no longer about the limited bullshit they want everything to be about.
 
Ra said:
Like it's been mentioned CW since it's WB days has primarly heavily women driven shows. The much praised Buffy the Vampire Slayer and it spin-off child Angel was aimed at a female audience. Supernatural went beyond it ending rightfully years ago due it's female fan base. The diffence now is more women actually working as producers, showrunners, writers and directors on shit so now it's actual female voice and slant to content than when dudes do it. Nobody had issues with shit as long as dudes were the creative talent and controled content.

Same exact thing going on at the comic book end of things as far as female characters, non white characters & gay characters. More women helming female characters, more non white folks handling non white characters & gay folks handlling gay characters rather than the long standing practice of primarily white dudes being the voice for everybody & everything. Motherfuckers wanting to maintain the status quo & gate keep shit are the ones having problems and showing their asses because it's no longer about the limited bullshit they want everything to be about.
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Solid points. I get a bit annoyed when they add sexism in their stories, but it was inevitable for things to end this way. IMO, the CW is a tad bit too tame for the dark matters of what comics are doing now. So, I am glad that the shows are venturing to streaming apps that can better handle the more adult subject matter. The CW was always for a more cookie-cutter teen audience (mostly female teen audience). Hell, smallville was a purely teen super hero soap opera. I think most of us are tired of the soap opera stuff and look forward to the larger subject matters dealt with in an adult manner (Titans and Doom Patrol are doing a great job of that).
 
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meowkittenmeow said:
Solid points. I get a bit annoyed when they add sexism in their stories, but it was inevitable for things to end this way. IMO, the CW is a tad bit too tame for the dark matters of what comics are doing now. So, I am glad that the shows are venturing to streaming apps that can better handle the more adult subject matter. The CW was always for a more cookie-cutter teen audience (mostly female teen audience). Hell, smallville was a purely teen super hero soap opera. I think most of us are tired of the soap opera stuff and look forward to the larger subject matters dealt with in an adult manner (Titans and Doom Patrol are doing a great job of that).
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I would take away sexism and add feminism to what you said. Sexism is real and something women do face and a problem I'm on their side with in fighting against. It's appropriate to add to these stories just as racism is. Ignoring bigotry doesn't do anything against it just helps keeps folks ignorant on the matters. The Feminism is the problematic thing seeing how those women think and how anti-black male they are. As I have said before is something that black men should not EVER support.
 
darkcurry said:
I would take away sexism and add feminism to what you said. Sexism is real and something women do face and a problem I'm on their side with in fighting against. It's appropriate to add to these stories just as racism is. Ignoring bigotry doesn't do anything against it just helps keeps folks ignorant on the matters. The Feminism is the problematic thing seeing how those women think and how anti-black male they are. As I have said before is something that black men should not EVER support.
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You misunderstand. Sexism is real. When they make comments like "toxic Masculinity" etc. it genders toxic behavior which is the sexism I am referring to. I don't plan to go too far into it, but we are essentially saying the same thing. IE. Sexism= ok when it is directed at males=feminism.
 
meowkittenmeow said:
You misunderstand. Sexism is real. When they make comments like "toxic Masculinity" etc. it genders toxic behavior which is the sexism I am referring to. I don't plan to go too far into it, but we are essentially saying the same thing. IE. Sexism= ok when it is directed at males=feminism.
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Feminism got a hold of sexism and made it that way and does things like that which is why I pointed it out. Much like these pro-black airheads got a hold of racism. People following the wrong folks (blind leading the blind) when it comes to those things. I was just trying to be clear because I know some times folks on here will lose sense of those things. I knew what you meant. I should've made that clear myself. lol.
 
Last little thought I forgot to put in my last post: Black Lightning isn't tanking due to trying to appeal to a female audience. It's tanking because Salim Akil's dumb ass is going above and beyond in trying to make that show into a typical black family melodrama to try to appeal to black folks rather than let it be a comic book adventure show that features a black family. Shit load of black nerds (male & female) that were willing to ride with the show after the first season have said they are now out after this last season due to it not being the comic action/adventure show it should be.
 
Ra said:
Last little thought I forgot to put in my last post: Black Lightning isn't tanking due to trying to appeal to a female audience. It's tanking because Salim Akil's dumb ass is going above and beyond in trying to make that show into a typical black family melodrama to try to appeal to black folks rather than let it be a comic book adventure show that features a black family. Shit load of black nerds (male & female) that were willing to ride with the show after the first season have said they are now out after this last season due to it not being the comic action/adventure show it should be.
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Sounds like a few of the problems that Luke cage had.
 
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Ra said:
Last little thought I forgot to put in my last post: Black Lightning isn't tanking due to trying to appeal to a female audience. It's tanking because Salim Akil's dumb ass is going above and beyond in trying to make that show into a typical black family melodrama to try to appeal to black folks rather than let it be a comic book adventure show that features a black family. Shit load of black nerds (male & female) that were willing to ride with the show after the first season have said they are now out after this last season due to it not being the comic action/adventure show it should be.
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They over do this shit. To the point it turns people off like hell!
 
Ra said:
Like it's been mentioned CW since it's WB days has primarly heavily women driven shows. The much praised Buffy the Vampire Slayer and it spin-off child Angel was aimed at a female audience. Supernatural went beyond it ending rightfully years ago due it's female fan base. The diffence now is more women actually working as producers, showrunners, writers and directors on shit so now it's actual female voice and slant to content than when dudes do it. Nobody had issues with shit as long as dudes were the creative talent and controled content.

Same exact thing going on at the comic book end of things as far as female characters, non white characters & gay characters. More women helming female characters, more non white folks handling non white characters & gay folks handlling gay characters rather than the long standing practice of primarily white dudes being the voice for everybody & everything. Motherfuckers wanting to maintain the status quo & gate keep shit are the ones having problems and showing their asses because it's no longer about the limited bullshit they want everything to be about.
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I guess that explains the decline in sales and interest.
 
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