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[Iykeg]

if you guys want, I could go into futher reasons why I even commented on this thread but I fear most of the people on here would be surprised to learn a different world view

 

[The Dark King]

you are not serious at all. When you display ignorance on an issue and display a singular world view, sarcasm is not the best resort

Some of the best resorts are in the US but it was very appropriate RETORT in the context of what we're talking about. It's like you talking about how bullshit it is for countries in Africa to treat their women so horribly and me telling you you guys need to catch up to the rest of world. Most civilized nations allow women heads of state. You guys are still practicing laws created by insecure men. What would be the point of that if you already called the practices bullshit?

 

[orejon4]

Its only people who identify as black and kooks on SF that keep pushing this ludicrous idea of accepting something so stupid because "you dont have a choice"


Subscribing to a nonsensical white supremacist idea invented out of thin air is definately a choice

I don't subscribe to it at all, but you don't have to subscribe to it to be aware of it. I'm not a Mormon, but I know many people are and have a different belief system because of it.

And in response to my earlier post, I believe you're misunderstanding me. I understand that ethnic differences in Africa and most heterogeneous developing societies existed well before the arrival of Europeans. What I was stating in my post is that Europeans colonizers created and exacerbated difference between people for their own economic ends and used racialist theories to justify their divisions of many colonial societies. Where these divisions did not exist, they created them. That is the basis behind the creole-ization phenomena so prevalent throughout Latin America and the Caribbean.

For more on the racialization of the Hutu/Tutsi conflict:
http://www.quakerfront.com/2008/05/14/hutu-tutsi-lonely-planet/

 

[Iykeg]

Some of the best resorts are in the US but it was very appropriate RETORT in the context of what we're talking about. It's like you talking about how bullshit it is for countries in Africa to treat their women so horribly and me telling you you guys need to catch up to the rest of world. Most civilized nations allow women heads of state. You guys are still practicing laws created by insecure men. What would be the point of that if you already called the practices bullshit?

dont change the subject dude. You ventured into a discussion about a place you know nothing about.


Trying to describe something you dont even grasp at the basic level through an American race experience.

But Americas race experience for the past 400 years is just that. American

Ethnicities, methods of identification, Societal classifications and feelings of commonality have existed in these societies for thousands of years and have absolutely nothing to do with a 400 year old American experience or whatever lenses was created by it




I wonder how something so basic is so hard to grasp

 

[z]

Ok, we got it! you're a mix guy with blk African father and white European mother. You considered yourself a white guy your whole life in your land, then one day you left your shack and came to America to get education. The moment you hit JFK airport you were so happy and could not contain yourself. You were joyfully kissing the ground and could not wait to Hi-Five your white brethern. But instead ppl gave you the black treatment. All your time that was spent in America you were refered as a Black man and that created an agonizing night mare for you. You were so pisssed about that, now you're out there on internet to change the hearts and minds of Americans so you can declare yourself as a White guy again..... oaky my friend, you're white, drink up the koolaid :drinkers:

 

[pettyofficerj]

Ok, we go it! you're a mix guy with blk African father and white European mother, you considered yourself a white guy your whole life in your land. Then one day you left you shack and came to America to get education. The moment you hit JFK airport you were so happy and was kissing the ground and could not wait to Hi-Five your white brethern but instead ppl gave you the black treatment. All your time that was spent in America you were refered as a Black man and that created an agnoizing night mare for you. You were so pisssed about that now you're out there on internet to change the hearts and minds of American so you can be declare yourself as a White guy again..... oaky my friend, you're white, drink up the koolaid :drinkers:

:smt067

 

[The Dark King]

Ok, we go it! you're a mix guy with blk African father and white European mother, you considered yourself a white guy your whole life in your land. Then one day you left your shack and came to America to get education. The moment you hit JFK airport you were so happy and was kissing the ground and could not wait to Hi-Five your white brethern. But instead ppl gave you the black treatment. All your time that was spent in America you were refered as a Black man and that created an agnoizing night mare for you. You were so pisssed about that now you're out there on internet to change the hearts and minds of American so you can be declare yourself as a White guy again..... oaky my friend, you're white, drink up the koolaid :drinkers:

Thank God someone else sees through this idiot.

 

[orejon4]

There is some truth to that especially when it comes it comes to racializing the world. The American lenses especially when it comes to "race" is very bizzare


Many black Americans for example dont realize that if a black and white American travelled to say Somalia, both would be seen as foreigners equally. None would be treated as somebody of the same "race"



What people percieve as "race" here in America is very different in other parts of the world

Somebody in Somalia would definately not percieve an Ashanti man from Ghana as his "race"


but I dont know how to explain that to Americans

Wait a minute! You just said the US world view is irrelevant and plays no role in other societies' perceptions, but in your reply to my post (above) you said the opposite that there is some truth to the growing Americanization of the world and with it, the spreading of US-style perceptions, including on matters of race.

 

[orejon4]

Ok, we go it! you're a mix guy with blk African father and white European mother, you considered yourself a white guy your whole life in your land. Then one day you left your shack and came to America to get education. The moment you hit JFK airport you were so happy and was kissing the ground and could not wait to Hi-Five your white brethern. But instead ppl gave you the black treatment. All your time that was spent in America you were refered as a Black man and that created an agnoizing night mare for you. You were so pisssed about that now you're out there on internet to change the hearts and minds of American so you can declare yourself as a White guy again..... oaky my friend, you're white, drink up the koolaid :drinkers:

ROFLMAO!!! :smt081

 

[Iykeg]

I don't subscribe to it at all, but you don't have to subscribe to it to be aware of it. I'm not a Mormon, but I know many people are and have a different belief system because of it.

And in response to my earlier post, I believe you're misunderstanding me. I understand that ethnic differences in Africa and most heterogeneous developing societies existed well before the arrival of Europeans. What I was stating in my post is that Europeans colonizers created and exacerbated difference between people for their own economic ends and used racialist theories to justify their divisions of many colonial societies. Where these divisions did not exist, they created them. That is the basis behind the creole-ization phenomena so prevalent throughout Latin America and the Caribbean.

For more on the racialization of the Hutu/Tutsi conflict:
http://www.quakerfront.com/2008/05/14/hutu-tutsi-lonely-planet/

Europeans exploited differences between people where they could to benefit themselves where ever they could.

But basic feelings of differences in Africa has nothing to do with Europeans

With or without Europeans


An Amhara would have looked at a Yoruba man and seen that he does not look like him. He would also know that they dont share any commonality in language, culture, traditions, history religion etc

A Somali would look at an Ijaw and know that he does not look like him either and does not share any of the other things in common with him. The same with a Tuareg and a Zulu or a Fulani and a Shona

in many cases they know that the other group does NOT look like them

but more importantly, they dont share the commonalities that matter in these societies like a common language or a common culture or common traditions etc


That is where the basic feelings of difference comes from


The idea of them being one and the same because of a "racial classification", is a European idea



South American history is also different because the racial classifications has everything to do with Europeans


on the other hand, African ethnic identities, languages, cultures along with the feelings of difference existed long before any European set foot on the continent

 

[orejon4]

From one Barcelona fan to another, I hear you as well. My ex considered herself white, lol, but when she got to the U.S. she was considered Hispanic, lol. She also told me that my father didn't "look" Black, but I know that it was her perception based on race as well. Go Barcelona!!!

New vocabulary word:

Barca-ization: to dominate your opponent so completely that they will never ever muster the ability to beat you.

 

[orejon4]

Europeans exploited differences between people where they could to benefit themselves where ever they could.

But basic feelings of differences in Africa has nothing to do with Europeans

With or without Europeans


An Amhara would have looked at a Yoruba man and seen that he does not look like him. He would also know that they dont share any commonality in language, culture, traditions, history religion etc

A Somali would look at an Ijaw and know that he does not look like him either and does not share any of the other things in common with him. The same with a Tuareg and a Zulu or a Fulani and a Shona

in many cases they know that the other group does NOT look like them

but more importantly, they dont share the commonalities that matter in these societies like a common language or a common culture or common traditions etc


That is where the basic feelings of difference comes from


The idea of them being one and the same because of a "racial classification", is a European idea



South American history is also different because the racial classifications has everything to do with Europeans


on the other hand, African ethnic identities, languages, cultures along with the feelings of difference existed long before any European set foot on the continent

Again, I believe you're misunderstanding me. In an earlier post, I stated very clearly that I am well aware of the physical and cultural differences among various African ethnic groups and the idea that they are each distinct peoples with no sense of commonality among them. What I said, however, is that Europeans layered racialist thinking on top of existing divisions to further exploit groups and prevent the possibility of collective action.

 

[The Dark King]

You don't have to be black if you want. Whiteness is around the corner for you if you truly believe. So all you good little boys and girls click your heals three times and say "I'm white that's right I'm white" three times after every click. Remember to do it all three times you don't want to end up mulatto or maybe even Native American God forbid lol.

 

[Iykeg]

Ok, we go it! you're a mix guy with blk African father and white European mother, you considered yourself a white guy your whole life in your land. Then one day you left your shack and came to America to get education. The moment you hit JFK airport you were so happy and was kissing the ground and could not wait to Hi-Five your white brethern. But instead ppl gave you the black treatment. All your time that was spent in America you were refered as a Black man and that created an agnoizing night mare for you. You were so pisssed about that now you're out there on internet to change the hearts and minds of American so you can declare yourself as a White guy again..... oaky my friend, you're white, drink up the koolaid :drinkers:

Im not mixed at all.

I know what people who look like me and my ethnic group look like actually and I think its just silly for people to insist that people who never looked like my ancestors look like me or are "my race" based on a silly white supremacist idea.

I think the whole idea of race as it is is BS in the first place so I wonder why people insist that so and so is this race based on something a white supremacist said like in this thread and in the Halle Berry thread


My ancestors didnt look like the average Puetorican nor Brazillian nor many people refered to as black Americans


Its just silly for me to start insisting that they are "my race", that they "need to claim their African ancestry" even though they look "white" and insist that they are people who look like me when they actually dont.
Even more stupid than that is to base my only reason for my insistence on an invention clowns and ignoramuses pulled out of thin air a hundred years ago





If you guys havent figured it out yet, I was exposing the foolishness of such arguments

 

[orejon4]

Speaking for Puerto Rico (if such a thing can be done, LOL) the reason that Puerto Ricans have that physical appearance and not, say, a Scandinavian one, is due to the mass importation of African slaves and a small population of native Taino people.

 

[Iykeg]

You don't have to be black if you want. Whiteness is around the corner for you if you truly believe. So all you good little boys and girls click your heals three times and say "I'm white that's right I'm white" three times after every click. Remember to do it all three times you don't want to end up mulatto or maybe even Native American God forbid lol.

The whole race thing has your mind in a mental prison so you are probably thinking that I share the same mindset as you do


I would actually not have any issues with Hillary Clinton or Sandra Bullock or George Bush calling themselves "black" if they choose to. Zero issues with it

What is "black" anyway? race does not exist in nature and a common black culture or language or tradition or history does not exist



"White", "Black" etc are just BS classifications that dont have any meaning



I was illustrating how stupid it was for people on here to keep reapeating that so and so is such and such while their only basis for their insistence is some stupid retarted theory


nothing could be more stupid than that

 

[Iykeg]

Again, I believe you're misunderstanding me. In an earlier post, I stated very clearly that I am well aware of the physical and cultural differences among various African ethnic groups and the idea that they are each distinct peoples with no sense of commonality among them. What I said, however, is that Europeans layered racialist thinking on top of existing divisions to further exploit groups and prevent the possibility of collective action.

I agree with a lot of the things you have posted actually. You are the person with the most reasoned debate on here


since you seem to have a good idea of where I am coming from, the question to you then would be


Why would I spend even one second of my life agitating that a Puetorican Person or a Brazillian or a Columbian or an American who looks like he comes from France classify themselves as "my race"

I dont share any cultural commonality or language or history with the person. I also dont even look like the person at all


why should I have a problem with them classifying themselves as white if they wish? What would be my issue with that? why should I abide by what a white supremacist said a 100 years ago that has no relevance to me whatsoever?




If you can wear my lenses for 10 seconds, you can see why i feel it is the utmost stupidity ever

nothing could be more comical and silly than people insisting that the lady on this thread is so and so or that Halle Berry's daughter is so and so

 

[swirlman07]

At some point, about 10 pages ago, this was actually interesting, but now it's plain boring. I don't hear anything about a "world" view of race as much as one African's view of race, period. If your starting point for a racial discussion is that multi-racial people stand out in a country of darker skinned people then, then half the people in my family, and probably half or Black Americans would be considered "white" because of varying mixes of distant white ancestry.

As Mr. F stated, it's pretty outrageous to go into someone's backyard and tell them that their laundry is dirty, lol. In a word, you are being barca-izated.

Barca-ization: to dominate your opponent so completely that they will never ever muster the ability to beat you.-

 

[orejon4]

I agree with a lot of the things you have posted actually. You are the person with the most reasoned debate on here


since you seem to have a good idea of where I am coming from, the question to you then would be


Why would I spend even one second of my life agitating that a Puetorican Person or a Brazillian or a Columbian or an American who looks like he comes from France classify themselves as "my race"

I dont share any cultural commonality or language or history with the person. I also dont even look like the person at all


why should I have a problem with them classifying themselves as white if they wish? What would be my issue with that? why should I abide by what a white supremacist said a 100 years ago that has no relevance to me whatsoever?




If you can wear my lenses for 10 seconds, you can see why i feel it is the utmost stupidity ever

nothing could be more comical and silly than people insisting that the lady on this thread is so and so or that Halle Berry's daughter is so and so

It's not about wasting time, it's simply about acknowledging the reality in which one must operate, maneuver and survive. In much of the European-dominated world (read: all of it), race and racial categorization of people has been an essential component to maintaining social control for the purpose of economic exploitation. Failure to understand the role race plays in this society (and by extension, the rest of the world, since the US and Western European play a large role in the affairs of the rest of the world) will lead to incorrect analysis of any given social situation.

The drive in this society to correctly identify the genealogy of a person is driven on the white side by a desire for racial purity (itself a non-existent concept) and on the black side by an awareness of the many members of our community who have had to abandon their families if they were sufficiently pale in order to have a chance at economic advancement.

 

[Iykeg]

At some point, about 10 pages ago, this was actually interesting, but now it's plain boring. I don't hear anything about a "world" view of race as much as one African's view of race, period. If your starting point for a racial discussion is that multi-racial people stand out in a country of darker skinned people then, then half the people in my family, and probably half or Black Americans would be considered "white" because of varying mixes of distant white ancestry.

As Mr. F stated, it's pretty outrageous to go into someone's backyard and tell them that their laundry is dirty, lol. In a word, you are being barca-izated.

Barca-ization: to dominate your opponent so completely that they will never ever muster the ability to beat you.-

so why do people on this forum keep insisting on somebody being this "race" or that "race" then like they did with the girl on this thread?


"black" American, "black", "white" etc are just BS terms


your post still does not answer why people engage in this silly so and so is of a "this race" thing that people engage in all the time


whats the big deal if George Bush is "black" or the girl in this thread is "not black"?