Kim Kardashian and Kris Humphries engaged.

[Bliss]

A lot of celebrities promote doing things naturally when they themselves don't follow the same regimine. The discussion here wasn't about celebrities who do sextapes if it were I would defend them based on the same merrit. Besides since when do we value monogamous sex as a culture anymore? Hoing around is very acceptable so if everyone is doing it then it ain't hoing anymore. Btw that first Paris sex tape was with another chick's bf not her own which would definitely make her fall into the hoe category but I digress. The girl the reminds me very much like Jessica Simpson who everyone was calling a dumb blonde and laughing at her while she took advantage of the situation and made herself a 100 million dollar empire selling her brand.
I just don't see where the criticism is coming from. Who in that world amongst her peers would you say is a better role model.

And they get called out on it ALL the time. I love how you decide to equate non-monogamous sex on the level of fucking balls deep and taking a load in your mouth and (allegedly)getting peed on..on tape, distributing it and selling it. Sex, whether monogamous or not, is a natural human act. All the other stuff she did on top of it, is hoeing it.

Don't get it twisted with Jessica. She added her name to Ken Paves designer hair extensions - he was the empire that got her name out there. You never just saw JS, period. It was always JS with Ken Paves. She doesn't design her shoes- she just lends her name.

Frankly true business women and people in general that I respect, are the ones with TALENT. They build their empires inside out and up, not adding their names to diet pills and putting their names on products that already are the blood sweat and tears of someone else. I mean, Kim's attempt to design clothes and perfume resulted in her being sued for copy infringement, lol. I bet you feel Kim and her sisters built that fraud CC company they slapped her name onto, too. (who are suing her, because apparently Kim didn't read the fine print. How astute).

Btw, I can't believe you used Kim and role model in the same sentence. lol.

 

[Bliss]

Say what you want but turning a girl from a chick in a sextape to a brand ain't no small thing. Being able to make 65 million in a single year is incredible especially in a down economy. The political scientist in me will easily acknowledge that the Kardashians and celebrities only add to the break down of society and offer no true social value. The accountant in me has to respect the incredible jump in revenue. Half of 4 mill six years ago to 1/3 of 65 mill is astounding kid.

Please show me who said they earned 65 million and how that figure was arrived at. Forbes sure as heck didn't quote it. Don't worry, I'll tell you who said it...The Hollywood Reporter. And their source? Kris Jenner in an INTERVIEW (every blog outlet picked up on it when US Weekly repeated the HR's excerpt). Question is, how does Kris come to that amount? Is it the value of product earned for the companies they endorse, or the Kardashian's take home-pay? The truth probably lies in less than half that. Think about how hard it is to earn 65 million dollars in 12 months. I mean they are celebrity but they 'aint Oprah.

 

[The Dark King]

Please show me who said they earned 65 million and how that figure was arrived at. Forbes sure as heck didn't quote it. Don't worry, I'll tell you who said it...The Hollywood Reporter. And their source? Kris Jenner in an INTERVIEW (every blog outlet picked up on it when US Weekly repeated the HR's excerpt). Question is, how does Kris come to that amount? Is it the value of product earned for the companies they endorse, or the Kardashian's take home-pay? The truth probably lies in less than half that. Think about how hard it is to earn 65 million dollars in 12 months. I mean they are celebrity but they 'aint Oprah.

The other sources included The Huffington Post(credible), MSNBC(credible), CBSNews(credible)
Truth be told numbers are always inflated for shock affect like when you here Beyonce sells 2million records they fail to report that her father and Jay probably bought half of those albums for promotion parties. Forbes has her at 12 million for last year still very impressive to me especially in a down economy

 

[Nico]

Nico is killing this this thread with well thought out responses. rayer:

Thanks I try.

Ignorance about random things I don't really care about, but calling someone a talentless ho for no reason is pretty lame.

You used Heidi Klum.

Yes, and I guarantee you I put thought into it before I did.

I stand behind my statement until you can find some sort of undeniable proof that Heidi Klum does more.
Even if you can you have to add in the fact that Hedi is not only 7 years old then Kim, but she's been in the game for 12 years longer then her.

I know people like to assume that these girl sit on their ass all day, but they're constantly working.

 

[Nico]

Please show me who said they earned 65 million and how that figure was arrived at. Forbes sure as heck didn't quote it. Don't worry, I'll tell you who said it...The Hollywood Reporter. And their source? Kris Jenner in an INTERVIEW (every blog outlet picked up on it when US Weekly repeated the HR's excerpt). Question is, how does Kris come to that amount? Is it the value of product earned for the companies they endorse, or the Kardashian's take home-pay? The truth probably lies in less than half that. Think about how hard it is to earn 65 million dollars in 12 months. I mean they are celebrity but they 'aint Oprah.

Ha, their basic "The Kardashians" show has climbed up to about 4 million viewers per episode. Which is amazing for a cable channel like E! That's not even including the millions of viewers who watch their other shows.


Kris(the mom), doesn't have to pay a ton of money for actors, she doesn't have to pay money for writers, she doesn't have to pay money for a set.
All they really have to pay for is a few cheap cameraman, the shows are literally almost straight profit for the Kardashians.

(This is why you see so many reality shows popping up these days, they're easy and cheap to produce. Think about it.)


Plus you know how in tabloids you always seem them in clubs, parties, and events? Well they get paid good money to attend these places, not to mention the money they get for even being on the cover of all those tabloids.
Add that to all the endorsements, products, modeling, and clothine lines they have it's not hard to believe they made 65 million last year.

Like I've said before, these girls get paid almost every time they step out of the house. It's hard for them to do something without making money off of it.

 

[flaminghetero]

Kim Kardashian has done some acting and has produced a tv show.


You're over looking the fact that Heidi Klum was a model for years before she got real exposure and started to do extra stuff. Heidi Klum was your average "just do runway and go home" model for years before she started doing extra stuff. As oppose to Kim who started doing this extra stuff the second she became famous.

Not to mention when Heidi started modeling, Kim Kardashian wasn't even a teenager yet. Heidi has 7 years over Kim. If she chooses to continue at this rate there's nothing to suggest that Kim wont have accomplished as much as Heidi has when she reaches her age.

Plus you just pulled out Heidi Klum arguable the hardest working model in the business. The fact still remains that Kim does more then the average model, who no one accuses of being "talentless".




Umm yeah that's nice and all but that doesn't make her any more talented.

Heidi Klum > Kim Kardasian.

 

[Nico]

Heidi Klum > Kim Kardasian.

Thanks for the imput sport.


Now, run along....

 

[flaminghetero]

You do realize the extent of Kim's 'modeling talen't is her one-trick-pony open mouthed blow up doll look, right? lmao.

:smt043:smt043:smt043

 

[z]

Damn, every Kardashian fan is raining down on Kunoichi, lol. Relax folks, I think what she is saying by the kardashians got no talent, they are not actors, Musicians, writers, producers, designers, painters, etc.......they don't bring any sort of talent to get paid that much $$$ except for media whoring and banking on it.

Are they savy business folks? yes. They are laughing all the way to the bank with their reality BS show, party apperance fee, clothing store, perfume, appearing in ads, etc....

And let's be honest, Kim got all these opportunites coz of her Ray J sex tape + last name, so that doesn't really scream a talent to ppl. Regardless, the fuckers are making millions while some talented artist is waiting table in Los Angeles.

 

[flaminghetero]

Thanks for the imput sport.


Now, run along....

When Kim is Klum's age she'll be crazier than a shit-house rat.

She'll be a full blown cosmetic surgery addict.

 

[flaminghetero]

Damn, every Kardashian fan is raining down on Kunochi, lol. Relax folks, I think what she is saying is the kardashians got no talent, meaning they are not aspiring actors, Musicians, writers, producers, designers, etc.......

Are they savy business folks? yes. They are laughing all the way to the bank with their reality BS show, party apperance fee, clothing store, perfume, appearing in ads, etc....

And let's be honest, Kim got all these opportunites coz of her Ray J sex tape + last name+, so that doesn't really scream a talent. Regardless the fuckers are making millions while some talented artist is waiting table in Los Angeles, oh well that's life.

MAKING money is one thing...KEEPING it is another.

I highly doubt Kim will keep hers.

 

[Bliss]

You are way too deep about the Kardashians, Kunoichi!!lol


FInding a way to get rich off a friggin' reality TV series IMO takes a degree of talent and media savvy.

I saw the Ray J vid with Kim and as a man there was nothing fake about her bewbies; bolt-ons don't mold and squeeze in your hands the way Kim's did in that vid.

As for her ass, there's only ONE photo of Kim wearing some non-derriere flattering jeans when she was a teenager, by itself not a telltale sign she has a fake ass.

All this talk that her bod is bionic - man-made - is mostly rumor and innuendo.
So if it's opinion we're basing this 'fact' upon, my eyes tell me her ass and tits are real.

I guess next you'll be telling me he hips are fake too!!??

Some girls like Jennifer Love Hewitt who has a very similar shape to Kim, can look radically different when they lose/gain 10-15#, but it doesn't mean they had plastic surgery as soon as their tits/ass get bigger.

You're big on conspiracy theories, Kunoichi, like posting that the Pentagon wasn't hit by an airplane,(I live outside D.C. and know people on their way to work heading towards the 14th Street bridge who SAW that jet buzz the highway before it hit!!), or posting that nonsense that Barack Obama and Rahm Emanuel were behind some plot to kill a gay Black choir director because he was Obama's former lover!!

WTF!!??

Those chicks talk about so much personal shit on their show, if Kim's ass was really phoney, I kinda think one of her sisters would have called her on it, or her mother.

LOL, Andre, Im in as deep ad you are.

FYI, when JLH's weight fluctuated, so did her ass and breast. Kim's remained exactly the same. Look, I understand why you can't believe Kim's bewbies are filled with saline - after all, if the trannies whose pics you posted didn't admit they were male, you said you think they're actually REAL women. So your judgment as a male to insist Kim's massive assets are completely real is questionable at best.
Until hell freezes over would her sisters dime her out. Her fake bum splattered in a porno is the reason they got a show.

To equate Kim K debate a conspiracy theory is beyond laughable. She wishes. It's called getting real.


As for the Obama reference, I was responding to BBW's rhetorical question that he was waiting on BA's gay lover to speak. I posted Sinclair's book to show that he has already spoken. How does that make me a conspirator theorist? The allegations of silencing Obama's church's gay Choir director who was murdered, was made by his mother - not me. The close dates of murder of two men claiming to be his lovers was provided by their families - not me. Again, how does that make me a conspirator theorist? I even offered why I thought it was unlikely, but if you asked me as a general observation, the possibility of a man sticking his dick in another man is not out of the realm, even if he was to become President. The same goes for Hollywood Kim augmenting some of her assets, and then lying about it.

Here's where I draw the line at your silliness. 9/11.

I don't know WHAT the hell you are talking about, because never in a billion year would I ever type that shit! Not here, not anywhere. I DO NOT think anything other than a plane flew into the Pentagon. Frankly the whole conspiratorial notion that "Our own Government flew the planes and blew up the Towers and Pentagon" is absolute sickening to me, and I WILL not and would not ever co-sign that madness. You are either lying or have me confused with another.

 

[Bliss]

Ha, their basic "The Kardashians" show has climbed up to about 4 million viewers per episode. Which is amazing for a cable channel like E! That's not even including the millions of viewers who watch their other shows.


Kris(the mom), doesn't have to pay a ton of money for actors, she doesn't have to pay money for writers, she doesn't have to pay money for a set.
All they really have to pay for is a few cheap cameraman, the shows are literally almost straight profit for the Kardashians.

(This is why you see so many reality shows popping up these days, they're easy and cheap to produce. Think about it.)


Plus you know how in tabloids you always seem them in clubs, parties, and events? Well they get paid good money to attend these places, not to mention the money they get for even being on the cover of all those tabloids.
Add that to all the endorsements, products, modeling, and clothine lines they have it's not hard to believe they made 65 million last year.

Like I've said before, these girls get paid almost every time they step out of the house. It's hard for them to do something without making money off of it.

Yes I know all that, Nico. Yes, they get paid, I know. I'm saying their annual take home pay amount is questionable. For example, their reality show pay isn't' making the Kardashians rich- its making E rich. the Kardashians make a 6 figure pay they split 6 ways. I think you mean that E don't have to pay actors, not that Kris doesn't. *sigh*

 

[Nico]

Damn, every Kardashian fan is raining down on Kunoichi, lol. Relax folks, I think what she is saying by the kardashians got no talent, they are not actors, Musicians, writers, producers, designers, painters, etc........
.

Ha, I can name quite a few musicians and actors that have no talent. That's a different story though...

 

[Bliss]

The other sources included The Huffington Post(credible), MSNBC(credible), CBSNews(credible)
Truth be told numbers are always inflated for shock affect like when you here Beyonce sells 2million records they fail to report that her father and Jay probably bought half of those albums for promotion parties. Forbes has her at 12 million for last year still very impressive to me especially in a down economy

You missed my point - as I noted other blogs (yes Huff/P is still a left-wing blog) and outlets picked up the info from The Hollywood Reporter's interview with Kris, where she made the claim. THR verified her claim by noting ("another source, a close family member, confirmed the amount"). Please.

I agree with you and is my exact point, that income, which is viewed as a barometer for success in this country, is inflated because it raises your market value to sponsors, investors, viewers and the like.

 

[Bliss]

Damn, every Kardashian fan is raining down on Kunoichi, lol. Relax folks, I think what she is saying by the kardashians got no talent, they are not actors, Musicians, writers, producers, designers, painters, etc.......they don't bring any sort of talent to get paid that much $$$ except for media whoring and banking on it.

Are they savy business folks? yes. They are laughing all the way to the bank with their reality BS show, party apperance fee, clothing store, perfume, appearing in ads, etc....

And let's be honest, Kim got all these opportunites coz of her Ray J sex tape + last name, so that doesn't really scream a talent to ppl. Regardless, the fuckers are making millions while some talented artist is waiting table in Los Angeles.

Damn, you said it ALL in one post! lmao...I bow to you! rayer:

 

[Bliss]

Ha, I can name quite a few musicians and actors that have no talent. That's a different story though...

Go ahread Nico, make a thread on that topic. It would be a fun one. Especially if someone disagreed.

 

[botoan]

Yes, and I guarantee you I put thought into it before I did.

I stand behind my statement until you can find some sort of undeniable proof that Heidi Klum does more.
Even if you can you have to add in the fact that Hedi is not only 7 years old then Kim, but she's been in the game for 12 years longer then her.

I know people like to assume that these girl sit on their ass all day, but they're constantly working.

Wow, you put thought into it? I must admit I have never put much thought into any of them. My interest would be primarily aesthetic towards them. I never said anyone was lazy.

In terms of finding undeniable proof, for such a nothing subject is odd to me. Like you want DNA evidence, credible witnesses that can and will testify under oath of perjury?

I am not sure about you.

 

[Nico]

Wow, you put thought into it? I must admit I have never put much thought into any of them. My interest would be primarily aesthetic towards them. I never said anyone was lazy.

In terms of finding undeniable proof, for such a nothing subject is odd to me. Like you want DNA evidence, credible witnesses that can and will testify under oath of perjury?

I am not sure about you.

Of course......


Excuse me for choosing to be informed about a subject before I just walk into the middle of a debate.

My bad?


Here I'll make it up to you and next time just avoid you all together.

 

[botoan]

Of course......


Excuse me for choosing to be informed about a subject before I just walk into the middle of a debate.

My bad?


Here I'll make it up to you and next time just avoid you all together.

That would be good.