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[goodlove]

Bill of Rights for Racially Mixed People
By Maria P.P. Root


I HAVE THE RIGHT...
-Not to justify my existence in this world.
-Not to keep the races separate within me.
-Not to be responsible for people's discomfort with my physical ambiguity.
-Not to justify my ethnic legitimacy.

I HAVE THE RIGHT...

-To identify myself differently than strangers expect me to identify.
-To identify myself differently from how my parents identify me.
-To identify myself differently from my brothers and sisters.
-To identify myself differently in different situations.

I HAVE THE RIGHT...

-To create a vocabulary to communicate about being multiracial.
-To change my identity over my lifetime -- and more than once.
-To have loyalties and identification with more than one group of people.
-To freely choose whom I befriend and love

LOL. classic. LO;

 

[Bliss]

Bill of Rights for Racially Mixed People
By Maria P.P. Root


I HAVE THE RIGHT...
-Not to justify my existence in this world.
-Not to keep the races separate within me.
-Not to be responsible for people's discomfort with my physical ambiguity.
-Not to justify my ethnic legitimacy.

I HAVE THE RIGHT...

-To identify myself differently than strangers expect me to identify.
-To identify myself differently from how my parents identify me.
-To identify myself differently from my brothers and sisters.
-To identify myself differently in different situations.

I HAVE THE RIGHT...

-To create a vocabulary to communicate about being multiracial.
-To change my identity over my lifetime -- and more than once.
-To have loyalties and identification with more than one group of people.
-To freely choose whom I befriend and love

:smt023

 

[The Dark King]

LOL. classic. LO;

First of all rights don't exist privileges do. If rights exist then the right to be fed and sheltered should come before all that horseshit.

 

[Bliss]

Wow, it's like agree with Iggy Day for me...lol

I agree with this, (coming in this thread all days late and shit, so I'm sure this was said) but being that those of us who are American, they need to realize that they'll be perceived and labeled as Black, no matter the mixture. Basically, they can tell us how they'd like to be labeled, but the reality isn't going to be the same unless you look Wentworth Miller or somebody...lol

I think you summed up both sides of the argument. No-one here can say unequivocally that mixed children are are always looked at as Black, because as we see here, many do not look it. And there are many mixed heritage people who have passed their whole life as White. Similarly, as is being repeatedly stated here, there are kids with mixed heritage who look Black. It's pretty much all relative.

IMO, I think that "B.O.R" just posted says it succinctly.


eg: of kids (gorgeous, I might add) with a Black and White parent...

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PS: great to see you again IB, you let too long a time pass to post, sista!

 

[The Dark King]

Do the words most not all really need to be said for some you people. Shit there are people with tails out there but I don't count them amongst the handicapped when I talk about handicap people

 

[Inner Beauty]

I think you summed up both sides of the argument. No-one here can say unequivocally that mixed children are are always looked at as Black, because as we see here, many do not look it. And there are many mixed heritage people who have passed their whole life as White. Similarly, as is being repeatedly stated here, there are kids with mixed heritage who look Black. It's pretty much all relative.

IMO, I think that "B.O.R" just posted says it succinctly.


PS: great to see you again IB, you let too long a time pass to post, sista!

I've been going through some things, but it's good to be back and to see you as well.

 

[Bliss]

I've been going through some things, but it's good to be back and to see you as well.

I hope those things are positive for you. Much love to ya.

 

[Inner Beauty]

I hope those things are positive for you. Much love to ya.

Thanx, Sista....Same to you!

 

[Bliss]

Do the words most not all really need to be said for some you people. Shit there are people with tails out there but I don't count them amongst the handicapped when I talk about handicap people

Forget "said" - I think the words should not even be applied when discussing how a person's looks are perceived or received - I mean, how would you even begin to know it's "most" if the whole issue being discussed is if a person of mixed heritage looks white or black? Those that DO look white you're not considering because you're only looking for/at kids who look Black. For every Black looking child you see, you may have passed 2 white-looking, but didn't know it.

Btw, I think its pretty ignorant of you to even think to analogize white-looking IR babies to "(handicapped) people with tails out there" to make your point.

 

[The Dark King]

Forget "said" - I think the words should not even be applied when discussing how a person's looks are perceived or received - I mean, how would you even begin to know it's "most" if the whole issue being discussed is if a person of mixed heritage looks white or black? Those that DO look white you're not considering because you're only looking for/at kids who look Black. For every Black looking child you see, you may have passed 2 white-looking, but didn't know it.

Btw, I think its pretty ignorant of you to even think to analogize white-looking IR babies to "(handicapped) people with tails out there" to make your point. http://www.whitewomenblackmen.com/
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Kunoichi I am a bm born and raised in America which gives me an insight into this topic you can never truly appreciate my friend. From childhood we are taught to and encouraged to look for racial differences and similarities. When I say most biracial kids who are a product of a black and white parent usually look black trust me when I say I know exactly what I'm talking about. Slow your roll Aussie.

 

[swirlman07]

Kunoichi I am a bm born and raised in America which gives me an insight into this topic you can never truly appreciate my friend. From childhood we are taught to and encouraged to look for racial differences and similarities. When I say most biracial kids who are a product of a black and white parent usually look black trust me when I say I know exactly what I'm talking about. Slow your roll Aussie.

I don't know if I would say that we are taught to see differences as much as it occurs naturally. In general, because of familial relations and friends, I think that Black Americans more easily identify features in children and adults that associate them with parents of different racial backgrounds.

I remember one incident that occurred when I was in University when a couple of white professors, only in the South, lol, asked me if a particular student was White or Black. Notwithstanding the fact that I knew she was Black, I was puzzled as the first time I saw her it was apparent that she was Black, and she has two Black parents to boot.

The first time I showed my ex, who is Spanish, a picture of Johnny Mathis, she said that he must be Venezuelan.

I guess, the cues are there for us, though they often escape those of other races.

 

[TreePixie]

I guess, the cues were are there for us, though they often escape those of other races.

You make an excellent point - my sister thinks a black friend of mine looks Cuban. I didn't get that at all, but your theory may account for her mistake

 

[orejon4]

I don't know if I would say that we are taught to see differences as much as it occurs naturally. In general, because of familial relations and friends, I think that Black Americans more easily identify features in children and adults that associate them with parents of different racial backgrounds.

I remember one incident that occurred when I was in University when a couple of white professors, only in the South, lol, asked me if a particular student was White or Black. Notwithstanding the fact that I knew she was Black, I was puzzled as the first time I saw her it was apparent that she was Black, and she has two Black parents to boot.

The first time I showed my ex, who is Spanish, a picture of Johnny Mathis, she said that he must be Venezuelan.

I guess, the cues were are there for us, though they often escape those of other races.

I think both you and MrFantastic are right. I think we're both taught (in a societal, not a formalized, sense) to look for racial characteristics as well as it occurring naturally. What was interesting in your examples above, to me, is how clearly they illustrate the differences in perceptions of race across national backgrounds. I noted how the southern white professors wanted a definition along the US race continuum, white vs black, period. What's most salient for them it seems, was making clear the distinction between those two races. Then your ex seeing racial contributions as part of defining national identity, rather than just seeing 'blackness' juxtaposed against 'whiteness'. My ex is Spanish too, and she was puzzled by the categorization of a very fair (Wentworth Miller-esque) colleague of mine as black in the US when he was paler than she. But within 4 years she had had her fill of US-style racism, after being called Mexican repeatedly, and promptly decamped for the Sunshine State, lol.

 

[goodlove]

I don't know if I would say that we are taught to see differences as much as it occurs naturally. In general, because of familial relations and friends, I think that Black Americans more easily identify features in children and adults that associate them with parents of different racial backgrounds.

I remember one incident that occurred when I was in University when a couple of white professors, only in the South, lol, asked me if a particular student was White or Black. Notwithstanding the fact that I knew she was Black, I was puzzled as the first time I saw her it was apparent that she was Black, and she has two Black parents to boot.

The first time I showed my ex, who is Spanish, a picture of Johnny Mathis, she said that he must be Venezuelan.
I guess, the cues were are there for us, though they often escape those of other races.

I cant front on that point when I saw johnny I was like HMMMM.

I had a co-worker who had green eyes , hair that was very wet looking all the time and he was light-skinned. someone asked him was he biracial . he replied "naw" and looked at me and stated " I wonder why people always ask me that?"

I responded " I thought that too. I thought you was biracial"

he looked confused.

 

[The Dark King]

I think both you and MrFantastic are right. I think we're both taught (in a societal, not a formalized, sense) to look for racial characteristics as well as it occurring naturally. What was interesting in your examples above, to me, is how clearly they illustrate the differences in perceptions of race across national backgrounds. I noted how the southern white professors wanted a definition along the US race continuum, white vs black, period. What's most salient for them it seems, was making clear the distinction between those two races. Then your ex seeing racial contributions as part of defining national identity, rather than just seeing 'blackness' juxtaposed against 'whiteness'. My ex is Spanish too, and she was puzzled by the categorization of a very fair (Wentworth Miller-esque) colleague of mine as black in the US when he was paler than she. But within 4 years she had had her fill of US-style racism, after being called Mexican repeatedly, and promptly decamped for the Sunshine State, lol.

Thank you for being observant and seeing my point my good man. Like most things we are "taught" it rarely happens in a class room.

 

[orejon4]

I cant front on that point when I saw johnny I was like HMMMM.

I had a co-worker who had green eyes , hair that was very wet looking all the time and he was light-skinned. someone asked him was he biracial . he replied "naw" and looked at me and stated " I wonder why people always ask me that?"

I responded " I thought that too. I thought you was biracial"

he looked confused.

You know, you can totally consider someone biracial if they come from multiple generations of biracial ancestry, even if they have no 'white' parent. That's basically what Creole societies do anyway. Hell, even in this country, the same could be said of the Jack and Jill organizations and their old "brown paper bag" standard. I went to a meeting as a kid and I was the blackest thing in there. I felt like Benson, LOL.

 

[The Dark King]

You know, you can totally consider someone biracial if they come from multiple generations of biracial ancestry, even if they have no 'white' parent. That's basically what Creole societies do anyway. Hell, even in this country, the same could be said of the Jack and Jill organizations and their old "brown paper bag" standard. I went to a meeting as a kid and I was the blackest thing in there. I felt like Benson, LOL.

Roflmao@ Benson

I forgot about Jack and Jill and all those socialite organizations. I guess people don't mind exclusion as long as they're the ones doing it.

 

[goodlove]

I don't know if I would say that we are taught to see differences as much as it occurs naturally. In general, because of familial relations and friends, I think that Black Americans more easily identify features in children and adults that associate them with parents of different racial backgrounds.

I remember one incident that occurred when I was in University when a couple of white professors, only in the South, lol, asked me if a particular student was White or Black. Notwithstanding the fact that I knew she was Black, I was puzzled as the first time I saw her it was apparent that she was Black, and she has two Black parents to boot.

The first time I showed my ex, who is Spanish, a picture of Johnny Mathis, she said that he must be Venezuelan.

I guess, the cues are there for us, though they often escape those of other races.

You know, you can totally consider someone biracial if they come from multiple generations of biracial ancestry, even if they have no 'white' parent. That's basically what Creole societies do anyway. Hell, even in this country, the same could be said of the Jack and Jill organizations and their old "brown paper bag" standard. I went to a meeting as a kid and I was the blackest thing in there. I felt like Benson, LOL.

Roflmao@ Benson

I forgot about Jack and Jill and all those socialite organizations. I guess people don't mind exclusion as long as they're the ones doing it.

yall hit it on the head. LOL

 

[ReginaStar]

You know, you can totally consider someone biracial if they come from multiple generations of biracial ancestry, even if they have no 'white' parent. That's basically what Creole societies do anyway. Hell, even in this country, the same could be said of the Jack and Jill organizations and their old "brown paper bag" standard. I went to a meeting as a kid and I was the blackest thing in there. I felt like Benson, LOL.

There seems to be alot of discussions about that going around now. Most speaking of Hispanics and whether mixed identity was right for them. Apparently a Latino felt left out at the mixed roots festival.
My personal take on is mixed is mixed. Not all "mixed" have the same experience but their all entitled to the term "mixed". Latinos tend to be a very mixed population as in both their mother and their fathers (and all 4 grandparents) come from multiracial lineages. That's def mixed in my book.

 

[orejon4]

There seems to be alot of discussions about that going around now. Most speaking of Hispanics and whether mixed identity was right for them. Apparently a Latino felt left out at the mixed roots festival.
My personal take on is mixed is mixed. Not all "mixed" have the same experience but their all entitled to the term "mixed". Latinos tend to be a very mixed population as in both their mother and their fathers (and all 4 grandparents) come from multiracial lineages. That's def mixed in my book.

I notice a difference in the views on race depending on whether I'm among Latino relatives or African-American relatives (all visibly black, but visibly not 100% sub-Saharan African). But it never fails that the most extreme treatment that we get is always from white Americans attempting to define, marginalize or otherwise exclude.

The growing Latino population (here I'm thinking of multiracial Latin societies, not the more monolithic Mexican race and culture - despite the presence of some black ancestry) is going to force, at least on a personal level amongst minorities, a redefining of what race means.