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ReginaStar said:
It is is a racial slur. Hillbilly was offensive negative term created to insult the Scot Irish people that populated the Appalachian mountains. Remember way back when Celts were not considered whites. They were seen as uncouth, nasty, their culture and ways were frowned upon by the upper class British. Scots Irish were actually oppressed at one point in the US. They were forced to pay higher taxes for one. Anyway so yeah Hillbilly is used today to describe some of lower class whites it's like saying whtie trash. However although not applied to ethnic origins today and only racial origins it's still originated as ethnic slur. Hillbilly, white trash, redneck are like calling a black person Ghetto. They are all racial slurs. And hillbilly and redneck were both ethnic slurs towards Scot Irish people.
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Like many other remarks, simply declaring it to be a fact doesn't make it one. I stand by my statement that the term hillbilly is not a racial slur. Not was it clever to throw in the comment about Celts not being considered white. I was a term coined by whites in reference to other white people, regardless of your spin.

It would seem that people would to whom it's applied would ALL agree if it was a slur, as in the case of the "N" word as applied to black people. Not only do reference sources not support your statement, at least one other woman poster agrees that it's not a racist term either.

By the way, calling a black person "ghetto" has never been considered a racist term by any people I have known. In fact, much like "hillbilly" it's often applied to people of any race who exhibit certain characteristics.
 
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swirlman07 said:
Like many other remarks, simply declaring it to be a fact doesn't make it one. I stand by my statement that the term hillbilly is not a racial slur. It would seem that people would to whom it's applied would ALL agree if it was a slur, as in the case of the "N" word as applied to black people. Not only do reference sources not support your statement, at least one other woman agrees that it's not a racist term either.

By the way, calling a black person "ghetto" has never been considered a racist term by any people I have known. In fact, much like "hillbilly" it's often applied to people of any race who exhibit certain characteristics.
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Hillbilly isn't a racist term, it's one which refers to geography, and a stereotypical behavioural pattern found in that geographical region. It's akin to calling me a Yankee because I grew up in New England. Yankee also has some "negative" inferences, such as stiff-necked pride, unfriendliness to strangers, etc. etc.

But I am indeed a New England Yankee.
 
TreePixie said:
Hillbilly isn't a racist term, it's one which refers to geography, and a stereotypical behavioural pattern found in that geographical region. It's akin to calling me a Yankee because I grew up in New England. Yankee also has some "negative" inferences, such as stiff-necked pride, unfriendliness to strangers, etc. etc.

But I am indeed a New England Yankee.
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I said as much in my first response to her, but as normally occurs, she tries to find a way to win the day. Even to the point of stating that Celts weren't considered white during the time the term was coined. In this way, she thought no one could counter her by saying that it was a term coined by white people referring to other white people.

Of course, in the South, you should know that if you remained in the South and never returned to the North you would be considered a "damn Yankee". But, it still wouldn't be a racial slur by any stretch of the imagination.
 
paniro187 said:
dems have done way worse. and what multiplies it is people like yourself who don't realize what they are doing.
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Enlighten me and lets agree where talking about the current incarnation of the Republican party as conservtives and the Democrats as progressives.
 
swirlman07 said:
I said as much in my first response to her, but as normally occurs, she tries to find a way to win the day. Even to the point of stating that Celts weren't considered white during the time the term was coined. In this way, she thought no one could counter her by saying that it was a term coined by white people referring to other white people.

Of course, in the South, you should know that if you remained in the South and never returned to the North you would be considered a "damn Yankee". But, it still wouldn't be a racial slur by any stretch of the imagination.
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Exactly. The Irish were considered "lesser" because they were Catholic - that was religious bigotry, not an ethnic or racial one. The Scots, on the other hand, had a whole lotta folk involved in the US right from the founding, including a number of the founding fathers.
 
swirlman07 said:
I said as much in my first response to her, but as normally occurs, she tries to find a way to win the day. Even to the point of stating that Celts weren't considered white during the time the term was coined. In this way, she thought no one could counter her by saying that it was a term coined by white people referring to other white people.

Of course, in the South, you should know that if you remained in the South and never returned to the North you would be considered a "damn Yankee". But, it still wouldn't be a racial slur by any stretch of the imagination.
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like i posted in a previous thread when she went on yet another tirate....MALARKEY...just a mess of words. that is HILLBILLY REDNECK slang for horse shit.:D she is an embarressment.
 
MrFantastic said:
Enlighten me and lets agree where talking about the current incarnation of the Republican party as conservtives and the Democrats as progressives.
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If only the Democrats *were* progressive. They're more like the Republicans of the 1950s. Hell, NIXON was to the left of some of today's Democrats.

And the Republicans went from people like Gerald Ford to bat-shit crazy. They aren't even Conservatives anymore, they're just nuts.
 
TreePixie said:
If only the Democrats *were* progressive. They're more like the Republicans of the 1950s. Hell, NIXON was to the left of some of today's Democrats.

And the Republicans went from people like Gerald Ford to bat-shit crazy. They aren't even Conservatives anymore, they're just nuts.
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As often as the Republicans like to hold up the banner that they are the party of Abraham Lincoln, do you think that Lincoln would recognize the Republican party of today?
 
swirlman07 said:
Entries from that source are no better than Wiki entries. The fact that someone chooses to consider it a racial slur doesn't make it one. I have always thought of a hillbilly as someone who's uncouth or unsophisticated. I think that most dictionaries would support that contention as well, along with it being a reference to people of Appalachian origin.
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ktplay said:
hey MRF.....i am a hillbilly ( IMO it means people who are from the hills) KY, TN, VA....and yes ignorance is rampid here....but i don't consider the term racist..it is what it is...redneck may be considered more derogatory....and i have never heard the term "back water" ... here it is termed "back woods"...still not considered insulting imo.....sometimes certain people look for reasons to disagree.....
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swirlman07 said:
Like many other remarks, simply declaring it to be a fact doesn't make it one. I stand by my statement that the term hillbilly is not a racial slur. Not was it clever to throw in the comment about Celts not being considered white. I was a term coined by whites in reference to other white people, regardless of your spin.

It would seem that people would to whom it's applied would ALL agree if it was a slur, as in the case of the "N" word as applied to black people. Not only do reference sources not support your statement, at least one other woman poster agrees that it's not a racist term either.

By the way, calling a black person "ghetto" has never been considered a racist term by any people I have known. In fact, much like "hillbilly" it's often applied to people of any race who exhibit certain characteristics.
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TreePixie said:
Hillbilly isn't a racist term, it's one which refers to geography, and a stereotypical behavioural pattern found in that geographical region. It's akin to calling me a Yankee because I grew up in New England. Yankee also has some "negative" inferences, such as stiff-necked pride, unfriendliness to strangers, etc. etc.

But I am indeed a New England Yankee.
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swirlman07 said:
I said as much in my first response to her, but as normally occurs, she tries to find a way to win the day. Even to the point of stating that Celts weren't considered white during the time the term was coined. In this way, she thought no one could counter her by saying that it was a term coined by white people referring to other white people.

Of course, in the South, you should know that if you remained in the South and never returned to the North you would be considered a "damn Yankee". But, it still wouldn't be a racial slur by any stretch of the imagination.
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I agree with you folks. Hillbilly, redneck, backwoods, hick, bumpkin, country, etc. aren't racial slurs by any means. I have many family members who I call those things, & it has NOTHING to do with them being white & everything with them being uncouth in behavior, speech, backwards thinking & sometimes in their appearance. I have cousins whose home looks like it's the set from "Hee Haw".
 
swirlman07 said:
As often as the Republicans like to hold up the banner that they are the party of Abraham Lincoln, do you doubt that Lincoln would recognize the Republican party of today?
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I think he'd be horrified.

BTW.. small derail, there's a great series of alternative history novels by a guy named Harry Turtledove which begins after the Civil War, which posits the south winning, and Lincoln becoming a Socialist after losing the election. The series really picks up @ WWI, but the back story includes Lincoln heading up the Socialist party. IIRC by the time WWI starts, the two main parties in the US are the Socialists and the Democrats.
 
TreePixie said:
If only the Democrats *were* progressive. They're more like the Republicans of the 1950s. Hell, NIXON was to the left of some of today's Democrats.

And the Republicans went from people like Gerald Ford to bat-shit crazy. They aren't even Conservatives anymore, they're just nuts.
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Very fair and well made point my friend
 
Tamstrong said:
I agree with you folks. Hillbilly, redneck, backwoods, hick, bumpkin, country, etc. aren't racial slurs by any means. I have many family members who I call those things, & it has NOTHING to do with them being white & everything with them being uncouth in behavior, speech, backwards thinking & sometimes in their appearance. I have cousins whose home looks like it's the set from "Hee Haw".
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Thanks Tam. In the continuing war against the Jethros and Jethrines, it's good to have a fair minded and thoughtful ally.
 
Interesting discussion that's gone on here.

Anyways, I just want to contribute my findings about bi-racial children based on what I found from doing some research. Please don't attack me for the things I'm going to post here.

http://www.schoolcounselor.org/files/6-2-120 Harris.pdf

Another stereotype asserts the belief that biracial children should identify with the parent of color because society will ultimately view them from this perspective (Kerwin & Ponterotto, 1995). This point of view runs the risk of causing serious psychological harm especially if the child disregards and does not incorporate the cultural heritage of one parent into his or her identity development. The inability of the biracial child to culturally identify with both parents may cause the individual to experience feelings of disloyalty and enormous guilt over their rejection of one parent (Sebring, 1985). This theme was validated by Winn and Priest (1993), who noted that the majority of the biracial individuals felt pressured to assume a mono-cultural identity, while at the same time experienced guilt feelings of betrayal and deception toward the parent with whom they did not identify. Finally, another stereotype involves the belief that biracial children do not like to discuss issues concerning their racial heritage. Discussing such issues may prove to be difficult for some; however, when questions are considered genuine and nonjudgmental, biracial individuals do not mind such inquiries (Kerwin et al. 1993).
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TreePixie said:
Much of that research is nearly 20 years old, or older. Anything more recent which validates this?
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I guess I will take a look and read to see if I would find anything. I made a post a while ago saying that the people who organize the US Census have the ultimate say on what they deem bi-racial children to be. They may just simply acknowledge them as being "multiracial" or "biracial" with no specified ethnicity in the next census in 2020.
 
swirlman07 said:
Thanks Tam. In the continuing war against the Jethros and Jethrines, it's good to have a fair minded and thoughtful ally.
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You're welcome & thank you, Swirl; I appreciate that. An alliance with someone with sense & comprehension is an easy choice for me to make. :smt023
 
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