Trayvon Martin's Murder

[goodlove]

WTF??! "Planned and thought out and mean spirited?? Do you even KNOW what those words mean? UGH. Spare me your crocodile tears, let's not speak to each other again, I am very fine with that. Peace.

cool!!!!

funny how someone could get mad over bullshit because they dont get their way about a misplaced "cosign". GOPers can dish it out but cant take it.

you ask others to be respectful but you dont want to give it. wow

you still looking thru my posts. go ahead. Imman enuff to say my bad...but are you woman enuff to say you are sorry?

also if you were offended by my posts sometime ago why did you let it slide without asking for an apology?


LOL. GOPers. they listen to rush too much

 

[Bliss]

Sorry, this ended up being longer than I meant...

Let me make it absolutely clear, because earlier replies to my comments seem to indicate that I am accusing the jury and defense of being racists. I AM NOT ACCUSING THEM OF RACISM. What I am saying is that the defense IS actively painting a picture of Trayvon as a "menacing black youth" to more effectively convince the jury of a 'propensity' for violence. It is overwhelmingly composed of suburban mothers and the most effective way of counteracting their instinctive sympathy as mothers is by painting an image of Trayvon as "that kind of black kid", the one that single women driving through the city at night lock their car doors when passing. The defense attorney is doing his job. I find it nauseating, but that's what his job is: to take advantage of anything he can use to cause the jury to doubt witnesses for the prosecution (and more so when helped by bungling witnesses like Ms. Jeantel) and tell the narrative he wants to tell. I do believe it has a racial component to it because there is no cultural shorthand for crime that is as potent as the threat (implicit or explicit) of black male violence in the modern media and the average white mind. There simply is no white corollary with the same widespread cultural acceptance. Labeling someone as "White trash" simply does not provide as powerful a set of accepted images, nor convey the same threat in the mass mind, and even more so in the white mind (obviously I'm speaking in general, not every single white person in the nation).

Ore, the Defense is going to paint that picture because THAT is the reason GZ claims on 911 he even noticed Trayvon. How do you propose the Defense present Trayvon? As a quiet kid minding his business when their client gunned him down? Let's be realistic.

I think its ludicrous to assume these women are "suburban housewives"...who are potentially having their latent fears ignited by the Defense -

"Two of the jurors recently moved to the area – one from Iowa and one from Chicago – and two are involved with rescuing animals as their hobbies.

One juror had a prior arrest, but she said it was disposed of and she thought she was treated fairly. Two jurors have guns in their homes. All of their names have been kept confidential and the panel will be sequestered for the trial.

In fairness, what about their fears as WOMEN of being followed and harrassed? Why not give them that credit?


I do understand your "bigger picture" in the overall scheme of things, but as much as the Rev Al and his co-host/author of the article try to further push their race baiting Agenda for this trial, if you allow them that, then how about the disservice they have done to White people by painting WP as inherently racist or latent racists, and violent against Blacks. It seems like you have bough into that stereotype by all the assumptions I have read.

Have you been watching trial? It's slow, often times boring, lots of medical data, interruptions, corny jokes, redundant questioning. If anyone was looking for the racially-charged OJ trial & glamor, they will be disappointed. It's not 'race" heavy at all (so far). Please understand also, while the Defense might be painting Tray as the first punch thrower, the Pro are countering it quite well, believe that.

In fact, the Defense witness today, an expert medical Examiner/gun wound witness.. my goodness he said he's tested his wound expertize using LIVE animals. I was horrified at this man's actions and sickened, and I KNOW the female jury were too. And come to know two Rescue animals? I bet they weren't feeling him.

My point is, much of the minutia of this trial is not about race, but more 'was GZ justified to shoot while his head was being banged" (defense) and "GZ should never have followed TM and shot him" (Prosecution). That's been the gist up to this point.

 

[goodlove]

Let me make it absolutely clear, because earlier replies to my comments seem to indicate that I am accusing the jury and defense of being racists. I AM NOT ACCUSING THEM OF RACISM. What I am saying is that the defense IS actively painting a picture of Trayvon as a "menacing black youth" to more effectively convince the jury of a 'propensity' for violence. It is overwhelmingly composed of suburban mothers and the most effective way of counteracting their instinctive sympathy as mothers is by painting an image of Trayvon as "that kind of black kid", the one that single women driving through the city at night lock their car doors when passing. The defense attorney is doing his job. I find it nauseating, but that's what his job is: to take advantage of anything he can use to cause the jury to doubt witnesses for the prosecution (and more so when helped by bungling witnesses like Ms. Jeantel) and tell the narrative he wants to tell. I do believe it has a racial component to it because there is no cultural shorthand for crime that is as potent as the threat (implicit or explicit) of black male violence in the modern media and the average white mind. There simply is no white corollary with the same widespread cultural acceptance. Labeling someone as "White trash" simply does not provide as powerful a set of accepted images, nor convey the same threat in the mass mind, and even more so in the white mind (obviously I'm speaking in general, not every single white person in the nation).



I'm not saying this is what Tray meant if/when he used the term, but I have to tell you that 'Cracker' in Florida is a non-racist phrase used in FL to refer to non-foreign born whites who have lived in the state for generations. Whites in FL call themselves 'Florida Crackers' the same way Indianans call themselves 'Indiana Hoosiers' - which is itself a pejorative in the rest of the midwest. It comes from them 'cracking' their whips during cattle drives south through the center of the state. True story.

of course.....they play the race card. when they were choosing jurors that was one of the reasons not putting blacks in the jury. they have footage of mark saying it during the proceeding.

let me say it better....during selection mark is shown saying to scratch juror because they are black

 

[Bliss]

cool!!!!

funny how someone could get mad over bullshit because they dont get their way about a misplaced "cosign". GOPers can dish it out but cant take it.

you ask others to be respectful but you dont want to give it. wow

you still looking thru my posts. go ahead. Imman enuff to say my bad...but are you woman enuff to say you are sorry?

also if you were offended by my posts sometime ago why did you let it slide without asking for an apology?


LOL. GOPers. they listen to rush too much

What the hell is WRONG With you?? What is this nutty post EVEN about?
Who is looking through your posts? HUH??
"Offended by" what post? "A long time ago?" What apology was I supposed to have asked for?? Good love WTH are you ranting about???

All I asked was why did you INCLUDE me in a reply you made to Paniro about being pro-Zimmerman. You said that you made a mistake putting mine in there, so just leave it at that! Jessus.

(And shove your 'GOP' bs insults up yer ass. I want NOTHING to do with you on the loony far left or with loons on the far right. Get lost.)

 

[orejon4]

Ore, the Defense is going to paint that picture because THAT is the reason GZ claims on 911 he even noticed Trayvon. How do you propose the Defense present Trayvon? As a quiet kid minding his business when their client gunned him down? Let's be realistic.

I think its ludicrous to assume these women are "suburban housewives"...who are potentially having their latent fears ignited by the Defense -

"Two of the jurors recently moved to the area – one from Iowa and one from Chicago – and two are involved with rescuing animals as their hobbies.

One juror had a prior arrest, but she said it was disposed of and she thought she was treated fairly. Two jurors have guns in their homes. All of their names have been kept confidential and the panel will be sequestered for the trial.

In fairness, what about their fears as WOMEN of being followed and harassed? Why not give them that credit?


I do understand your "bigger picture" in the overall scheme of things, but as much as the Rev Al and the author of the article try to further push their race baiting Agenda for this trial, if you allow them that, then how about the disservice they have done to White people by painting WP as inherently racist or latent racists, and violent against Blacks. It seems like you have bough into that stereotype by all the assumptions I have read.

Have you been watching trial? It's slow, often times boring, lots of medical data, interruptions, corny jokes, redundant questioning. If any one was looking for the OJ trial glamor, they will be disappointed. It's not 'race" heavy at all (so far). Please understand also, while the Defense might be painting Tray as the first punch thrower, the Pro are countering it quite well, believe that.

In fact, the Defense witness today, an expert medical Examiner/gun wound witness.. my goodness he said he's tested his wound expertize using LIVE animals. I was horrified at this man's actions and sickened, and I KNOW the female jury were too. And come to know two Rescue animals? I bet they weren't feeling him.

My point is, much of the minutia of this trial is not about race, but more 'was GZ justified to shoot while his head was being banged" (defense) and "GZ should never have followed TM and shot him" (Prosecution). That's been the gist up to this point.

Bliss, take a look at my past posts. In each post I have labored to stress that this is what the defense counsel is supposed to do. I am not attacking him for doing so. Igniting latent fears of black urban males as inherently aggressive is a smart strategy. It turns my stomach because it plays into racists conceptions of black manhood, but it's smart strategy. That was my reasoning for having no interest in criminal law.

Second, the jury does have a heavy representation of women. And they are not ground down, impoverished urban women of any race. Iowa is hardly a bastion of urbane, worldly citizens, no disrespect to Iowa. It is one of the most monolithic states in the nation: heavily rural, heavily German-American (not just white, but German-American). Also, it has been shown that gun ownership is a statistically significant (although not exclusively so) predictor of political views. As for the fears they may hold as women, I grant that may play a role, but I dare hazard a guess that minority women might be far less generally fearful/suspicious of minority males in general than non-minority ones. Or perhaps a better way to state it would be that they are capable of better distinguishing which minority males might be actually threatening versus which ones are just kids with candy and soda.

I have also endeavored to state repeatedly that I do NOT believe each and every white person is a card-carrying racist. I AM saying that race is the single most potent leitmotif in US society and has a provocative power unlike anything else in the nation. I am no fan of Al Sharpton and his race-baiting. However, I am a bit troubled by the well-meaning people on the right continually equating the damage done to race relations by Al and Jesse with the systematic damage done by 400 years of US racism and its ongoing pervasive. While not constructive, it pales in comparison.

I have been watching the trial, but not non-stop. At the end of each day, I take a look at clips.

Be right back. Work call.

 

[goodlove]

What the hell is WRONG With you?? What is this nutty post EVEN about?
Who is looking through your posts? HUH??
"Offended by" what post? "A long time ago?" What apology was I supposed to have asked for?? Good love WTH are you ranting about???

All I asked was why did you INCLUDE me in a reply you made to Paniro about being pro-Zimmerman. You said that you made a mistake putting mine in there, so just leave it at that! Jessus.

(And shove your 'GOP' bs insults up yer ass. I want NOTHING to do with you on the loony far left or with loons on the far right. Get lost.)

lol. lol. lol.

its funny u GOPers love to tell everyone how they should feel .
Whats really funny that
1. I said it was a mistake puting u in
2. U r mad about it
Oh wait u are telling me to accomodate u but when for u to do the same.,..well to hell with that because the (rld revolves around u.
Didnt u state u would igg me. Lol.

 

[goodlove]

hey paniro, why havent u responded to my questions? why r u hiding? scared? lol.

i believe paniro is a white man like most believe iggy is white.

 

[goodlove]

so you are saying its trays fault?

why should he run when he is not doing anything?

also why should zim take it upon himself to investigate? the police even said they wouldnt have done anything if they saw tray...so are they wrong?

lastly , the law states he can stand his ground. so is tray wrong for SYG?

so paniro....answer the questions.

 

[goodlove]

His fault for escalating it to things getting physical? Yes his fault.



If he was so in fear of Zimmerman why not run. If not then calmly reply to a man inquiring about you are even if you if want tell him to fuck off. But he rather have been a thug and jump on the dudem....big mistake.


GZ did nothing against the lawcby following and asking TM anything.

ZIM said tray circled his car and they looked at each other and zim became scared....if he is scared why follow and let police handle and its a watch program....he suppose to watch.
also why is tray a thug? also u said its trays fault for not running,,,,so u r saying tray brought this on himself?

 

[Alinoa]

ZIM said tray circled his car and they looked at each other and zim became scared....if he is scared why follow and let police handle and its a watch program....he suppose to watch.
also why is tray a thug? also u said its trays fault for not running,,,,so u r saying tray brought this on himself?

It's useless to argue these points this way.

I suppose the next time pani wants to talk about manning up about something you can just ask him why he didnt just run.
And if he pays heavy consequences for his decision to stand his ground (especially if he's not directly at fault to begin with) you can also remind him that he got what he deserved.

 

[Archman]

hey paniro, why havent u responded to my questions? why r u hiding? scared? lol.

i believe paniro is a white man like most believe iggy is white.

Take it easy my brother, white men are not demons. ...they are the fathers and brothers and uncles of all the women we share this forum with. ...from my experience, they can be great relatives. ...

 

[Ol'Skool Classic]

His fault for escalating it to things getting physical? Yes his fault.



If he was so in fear of Zimmerman why not run. If not then calmly reply to a man inquiring about you are even if you if want tell him to fuck off. But he rather have been a thug and jump on the dudem....big mistake.


GZ did nothing against the lawcby following and asking TM anything.

So, let me get this straight...Zimmerman, armed and thinking that Martin is already suspect to begin with, what do you think would have happened if Martin ran? You don't think using Zimmerman logic that he would have shot at him thinking he clearly must have been up to something because he ran, because only a guilty person would have ran??

 

[Bliss]

Take it easy my brother, white men are not demons. ...they are the fathers and brothers and uncles of all the women we share this forum with. ...from my experience, they can be great relatives. ...

And sons. And cousins. And friends.

And bi-racial men who proudly identify as both.

 

[Young Herschel]

Come join the debate over a BassBarn.com

Hey guys & girls,

The Knights of the White Camelia and Aryan Brotherhood have taken off their robes and are ganging up on a poster (Menelik II) fighting for Trayvon Martin's position over on BassBarn.com. Join the good fight if you have the time and put those closet racists on their heels - they ask a fishing question when you try to register (you can find the answer online whatever it is of course) but after that you are good to go and there are some good brothas over there but we need reinforcements :smt068

The Zimmerman trial thread is on the Dry Dock forum of BassBarn.com and its getting heated over here:smt077

 

[Tamstrong]

So, let me get this straight...Zimmerman, armed and thinking that Martin is already suspect to begin with, what do you think would have happened if Martin ran? You don't think using Zimmerman logic that he would have shot at him thinking he clearly must have been up to something because he ran, because only a guilty person would have ran??

If Trayvon had tried to run, he would've most likely had a bullet (or more than one) in his back.

 

[archangel]

If Trayvon had tried to run, he would've most likely had a bullet (or more than one) in his back.

and everyone would bitch about how if he was innocent why would he run. Trayvon couldn't win no matter what he does.

 

[Beasty]

Hey guys & girls,

The Knights of the White Camelia and Aryan Brotherhood have taken off their robes and are ganging up on a poster (Menelik II) fighting for Trayvon Martin's position over on BassBarn.com. Join the good fight if you have the time and put those closet racists on their heels - they ask a fishing question when you try to register (you can find the answer online whatever it is of course) but after that you are good to go and there are some good brothas over there but we need reinforcements :smt068

The Zimmerman trial thread is on the Dry Dock forum of BassBarn.com and its getting heated over here:smt077

We are hoping the racists don't join this site, so why would we join a site where they are? Duh :smt030 Have you read this thread at all??

 

[Tamstrong]

and everyone would bitch about how if he was innocent why would he run. Trayvon couldn't win no matter what he does.

Exactly. That child would be damned either way in the eyes of those who evidently see his life as worthless. The cold, heartless attitude of these people makes me sick. They make it sound like Trayvon deserved to die, and that they see his being killed just means there's one less thug in the world...they sound like they're glad he's dead, which pisses me off.

The fact that Zimmerman has shown zero remorse or regret for killing Trayvon says a lot about what kind of person he is. He obviously has no conscience and no heart and no respect for human life. It's disgusting.

 

[Archman]

We are hoping the racists don't join this site, so why would we join a site where they are? Duh :smt030 Have you read this thread at all??

I agree with Beasty...because of our vested interest in white women. .This is a less than ideal place from which to do your recruiting. .... ...figuratively speaking; you can't hold a white woman in one arm and fight-off the Aryan brotherhood with the other arm...your heart and might must not be in conflict,.. but be committed in service together for the same cause. ...

 

[orejon4]

Exactly. That child would be damned either way in the eyes of those who evidently see his life as worthless. The cold, heartless attitude of these people makes me sick. They make it sound like Trayvon deserved to die, and that they see his being killed just means there's one less thug in the world...they sound like they're glad he's dead, which pisses me off.

The fact that Zimmerman has shown zero remorse or regret for killing Trayvon says a lot about what kind of person he is. He obviously has no conscience and no heart and no respect for human life. It's disgusting.

Bingo. The character assassination of this kid sickens me. And even a thug has constitutional rights and should not fear summary assassination because of his 'look'.