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Thump said:
The difference between the way those "sympathetic" villains are written and the way female sympathetic villains are written, is that the females more often than not have their villainhood intertwined with their victimhood.

For example, Harley Quinn has been reimagined as a victim of domestic violence who overcomes her abusive relationship to become her own woman. By shifting the "evil" from Harley to The Joker they have effectively stripped her of her power as a villain. (she's only bad because the man made her that way) Which is why she has been portrayed as an anti-hero or just regular hero over the last few years, even though her character is almost as much of a murderer as The Joker is.
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Her first appearance begin in Batman: The Animated Series


Their relationship on the show was rocky and abusive, but she was clearly nutty already herself.
 
I don't subscribe to CBS Access so I don't watch Star Trek Discovery on a regular basis. Although the first episode of the season is available for free on Youtube.

What I have seen of the show is fine, it's actually one of the better sci-fi shows on TV right now......it's just not Star Trek to me I still can't get over the terrible redesign of the Klingons, the series breaking technology, but the thing that throws me off the worse is the "mood lighting" of the ship, it makes the show seem like some cheap space show on the SYFY network.

The Dark King said:
The whole feminist all female agenda. If its organic like a Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Xena cool but when there's this never ending need to make women strong through belittling men. Hard pass
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What I've seen of the show hasn't felt overly feminist to me, although there are a few things here and there,
like in the season premiere when they killed off the guy who was "mansplaining" to the black woman while they were flying in the rocket pods.

I did notice that the show has a disproportionate female bridge crew, but the other Trek shows had a disproportionate male bridge crew, so I guess that's only fair.
 
Thump said:
I don't subscribe to CBS Access so I don't watch Star Trek Discovery on a regular basis. Although the first episode of the season is available for free on Youtube.

What I have seen of the show is fine, it's actually one of the better sci-fi shows on TV right now......it's just not Star Trek to me I still can't get over the terrible redesign of the Klingons, the series breaking technology, but the thing that throws me off the worse is the "mood lighting" of the ship, it makes the show seem like some cheap space show on the SYFY network.



What I've seen of the show hasn't felt overly feminist to me, although there are a few things here and there,
like in the season premiere when they killed off the guy who was "mansplaining" to the black woman while they were flying in the rocket pods.

I did notice that the show has a disproportionate female bridge crew, but the other Trek shows had a disproportionate male bridge crew, so I guess that's only fair.
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Its shit like that they makes me heavily eye roll. Just not interested make a dope story I'll show up otherwise I'm simply not the demo for that show
 
You know what's a really good female lead show from CBS
The Good Wife and its spin off the Good Fight. Great dialogue great stories just amazingly well written. I don't think about anyones race gender or sexual orientation its all background to the story the way it should be
 
The Dark King said:
You know what's a really good female lead show from CBS
The Good Wife and its spin off the Good Fight. Great dialogue great stories just amazingly well written. I don't think about anyones race gender or sexual orientation its all background to the story the way it should be
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I was addicted to The Good Wife, it was the only show on CBS I watched for a long time.
 
The Dark King said:
Its shit like that they makes me heavily eye roll. Just not interested make a dope story I'll show up otherwise I'm simply not the demo for that show
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Me neither. I'm one of the old school Trekkies that they clearly no longer want watching and don't mind offending. One of those pesky guys who remember the lore. They can't do what they want if guys like me are watching and nitpicking the details. As long as gay guys get to kiss on camera and a women run the bridge, story and Trek continuity doesn't matter
 
The Dark King said:
The whole feminist all female agenda. If its organic like a Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Xena cool but when there's this never ending need to make women strong through belittling men. Hard pass
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Don't forget about "Alias" or "Veronica Mars". None of the female-led genre shows from the 2000's, that I've watched, tried to force feminist/SJW agenda down your throat like they do nowadays.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
Don't forget about "Alias" or "Veronica Mars". None of the female-led genre shows from the 2000's, that I've watched, tried to force feminist/SJW agenda down your throat like they do nowadays.
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When I was coming up in the 80's our house had one TV, so we watched whatever my mom watched and she loved shows like Murder She Wrote, Cagney and Lacey, and Designing Women, and what I remember about those female-led shows, was that they knew how to sprinkle in a little social messaging without hitting the audience over the head with it.
 
ColiBreh1 said:
Don't forget about "Alias" or "Veronica Mars". None of the female-led genre shows from the 2000's, that I've watched, tried to force feminist/SJW agenda down your throat like they do nowadays.
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Great point. I rooted for Veronica Mars I wanted her to win.
Same with Alias in the first two seasons. These people were bad ass because they were bad ass. I also always appreciated Veronica kept a pitbull and a taser with her. No toe to toe fights with guys who were bigger and stronger she out smarter everyone.
 
RicardoCooper said:
Me neither. I'm one of the old school Trekkies that they clearly no longer want watching and don't mind offending. One of those pesky guys who remember the lore. They can't do what they want if guys like me are watching and nitpicking the details. As long as gay guys get to kiss on camera and a women run the bridge, story and Trek continuity doesn't matter
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I'm always going to have a problem with shit like that. You completely ignore and irritate the fans who made the show what it is in favor of a demo that barely gives a fuck about sci fi. I'll say it again growing up when me and my geek friends were at Dragon's Den debating over who would win in a fight Supergirl or Wonder Woman there wasn't a girl in sight. If by chance anyone went in their it was a mom or sister buying a gift for their little brother. And its not like we were intimidating anyone we were all on the cross country team skinny and non threatening as could be yet no girls around. So those of us who pumped thousands of dollars into this franchise now gotta watch everything go down in smoke to appeal to a small demographic. Smh I still don't get why they can't just make a new franchise and leave us with ours
 
The Dark King said:
I guess that's why they made her leave. She was dope the first few seasons though. Didn't buy the chemistry between her and the young guy though
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She left because she and the lead actress hated each other so much that they had to film scenes separately with body doubles and splice the scenes together in post-production.
 
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