Random Political comments...

That's not what others think, though. So you believe losing 22 Navy Seals that killed Obama happened because they obeyed the law and that's why they got killed? Because of stoolies..Because of happenstance?

Curious..Do you believe in cover-ups?

Who betrayed Navy SEAL Team 6?
Congress must discover how they were marked for death

By Jeffrey T. Kuhner - The Washington Times - Friday, August 9, 2013

Excerpt:
"He (Biden) (strangely, suddenly) hung the SEALs out to dry in order to score cheap political (bragging) points. He compromised a highly sensitive, covert operation that ended up costing dozens of U.S. lives.

SEAL-gate is potentially a bigger scandal than Benghazi, Libya. The Administration — along with the top military brass — are desperately trying to cover up what took place on that fateful raid.
Taliban guerrillas were waiting for the Chinook as it approached its landing site. Apparently, someone tipped them off that the SEALs were coming; the helicopter was attacked from three sides in a coordinated ambush.

The U.S. military claimed that the Chinook was blown to pieces by a shoulder-fired missile, in which everyone on board was burned beyond recognition. Hence, senior military officials ordered the American bodies cremated without the prior approval of their family members.

The military’s narrative, however, is false.
Charles Strange, whose son, Michael, died during the attack, says he viewed the pictures of the crash site. “I saw Mike’s dead body,” Mr. Strange said in an interview. “It was clearly recognizable. He was clutching his gun. He wasn’t burned to a crisp. Why did they cremate my boy? They didn’t need to do that. Something’s not right.”

There are numerous questions that need to be answered.

- Why was the Chinook’s black box never found? The military claims it was washed away in a flash flood. Impossible. Flash flooding is extremely rare — almost unheard of — in that part of Afghanistan.

- Why was the Chinook not given aerial backup, which is standard military procedure when special forces are deployed?

- Even more alarming, why were the seven Afghan soldiers who boarded the Chinook at the last minute different from those on the flight manifest? This clearly violated U.S. military protocol. Afghan strangers (al Qaeda suicide bombers?) got on that Chinook, and potentially sabotaged the raid.

Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai’s regime has been infiltrated with al Qaeda sympathizers.

Only the naive could dismiss the possibility of an inside job: Jihadi cash in exchange for information about the whereabouts of our SEALs.

If our supposed ally cut a deal with the Taliban, resulting in the slaughter of U.S. troops, it would be a humiliating blow to Mr. Obama’s failed Afghanistan policy.


The most important question of all remains the strict rules of engagement.
Why were U.S. troops deployed into battle in a Chinook jalopy made in the 1960s and ordered not to fire back at Taliban snipers?

Washington has imposed such severe rules of engagement — the inability to fire into civilian areas, the refusal to conduct night operations, and the reluctance to confront the regular occurrence of Afghan soldiers deliberately shooting American personnel — that defeat is not only likely, it’s inevitable.

Congressional Republicans must get to the bottom of this burgeoning scandal. Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah and Rep. Darrell E. Issa of California have now launched an official probe into the deaths of the SEALs. Thirty brave warriors honorably served their country — only to be betrayed. Those responsible must be exposed and punished. Justice demands it."

 

And the Seals knew they were doomed:

"Upon hearing of Mr. Biden’s disclosure, SEAL members were stunned. Many of them immediately contacted family members, warning them to eradicate all personal information from social-media sites. Aaron Vaughn, one of the SEALs eventually killed in the ambush, told his mother, Karen Vaughn, to delete every reference to SEAL Team 6 from her Facebook and Twitter accounts.

“I never heard Aaron this concerned and worried in his entire life,” Mrs. Vaughn said in an interview. “He called me and said, ‘Mom, you and Dad have to take everything down. Biden has just put a huge target on everybody.’”

 

Did you speak on this Beasty, when it happened?

The Costliest Day in SEAL Team Six History
JANUARY 17, 2017
By Sarah Pruitt

...Under cover of darkness on the night of August 6, 2011, a special ops team that included a group of U.S. Army Rangers began an assault on a Taliban compound in the village of Jaw-e-Mekh Zareen in the Tangi Valley. The firefight at the house went on for at least two hours, and the ground team called in reinforcements. As the Chinook CH-47 transport helicopter (call sign: Extortion 17) carrying 30 U.S. troops, seven Afghan commandos, an Afghan civilian interpreter and a U.S. military dog approached, the insurgents fired on the helicopter and it crashed to the ground, killing all aboard.



Of the 30 Americans killed, 22 were Navy personnel, and 17 were SEALs. These included two bomb specialists and 15 operators in the Gold Squadron of DEVGRU, or Team Six, the highly classified unit that conducted the raid that killed Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden at his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan the previous May. None of the operators killed in the Afghan helicopter crash had been involved in that mission, officials said.

In addition to the SEALs, the others killed in the Chinook crash included five other Naval Special Warfare (NSW) personnel, three Air Force forward air controllers and five Army helicopter crewmembers.

The attack on August 6 was the most devastating day in SEAL Team Six history, as well as the single largest loss of life for U.S. forces since the war in Afghanistan began in October 2001.

More than twice as many NSW personnel died in the Wardak crash than were killed on June 28, 2005, during Operation Redwings. That day, eight SEALs and eight members of the members of the Army’s 160th Special Forces Operations Regiment (SOAR) were killed when insurgents shot down their Chinook helicopter in Kunar province, near Asadabad. Three SEALs involved in a firefight on the ground were also killed, in what would stand as the deadliest day in NSW history since the Normandy landings on D-Day, June 6, 1944

 

Anyone else get the feeling Bliss ain't too fond of black people hell any non white people for that matter?
Still waiting to see how she defends him surrounding himself with a brigade of white nationalists while appointing a slew of unqualified blatant corporatist who are rubbing their hands together as they plan to gut every part of the social welfare system.
Btw what jobs did he bring back?

 

If I remember correctly this wasn't a special op and was at the height of the Afghanistan war when casualties are expected. No POTUS is ever really calling the day to day strategic and tactical moves in the middle of a hot war. That's what generals are for.

The better comparison for Trump would be the success of Obama's greenlight on the Osama Bin Laden compound raid and the Tripolo operation against the Somali pirates.
No civilian deaths, no SEALs died and the enemy actors where exterminated.

 

She would rather deflect than admit that Chump fucked up. It even says in her own post that it was during the war in Afghanistan.
You're right. Generals call the shots in a war zone. What they can't do is call for missions in countries that we are not at war with. That responsibly rests with the president.

I don't recall there being a war in Yemen.

 

I would agree with your comparison examples...

But you forgot the failed rescue attempt in Syria of journalist James Foley that President Obama ordered, which resulted in ISIS beheading Foley over it.

Also, the Bin Laden raid (said to be Hillary who pushed to order it)..very lucky Seals didn't die because that shit stealth chopper crashed in OBL's compound and by God's grace they weren't captured or shot.
In the end though...22 Seals did die..again, they became open targets in revenge.by the Taliban.

 

James Foley was a freelance journalist who wasn't under the orders of the DOD or the Obama administration.
Are you really going to blame the BHO presidency for their lack of intel and inability to rescue someone they could hardly locate 99% of the time???
It's not like Foley worked for the Stars and Stripes and was suddenly captured by ISIS.

As for your diss of Barack by implying HRC was the one who called the shots on the Bin Laden raid, more disingenuous right wing propaganda.
HRC may have been a vocal advocate, but the final call was on the POTUS.

The success or failure of the mission to assassinate Osama Bin Laden was going to rest on Barack's shoulders. So why bring up Hillary, for no other reason than to further emasculate the former POTUS???

 

So basically Trump can literally do no wrong since the standard is if someone else tucked in the past his present fuck ups don't count

 

"Lack of Intel"...funny you mention that because that's what Trump is being ripped for. Even though Obama's camp provided that Intel before he left Office. He essentially passed the baton to Trump on it.

Foley: Journalist or military, makes no difference. He was a hostage and the BO WH admitted the mission failed.

Not a diss of Obama, c'mon l dislike Hillary et al.. Obama l like lots of things about him and some things l don't..l'm just surprised it was Hillary taking credit.
Apparently, Obama postponed going after OSL three times at Plume's urging. Which makes sense to me because the characteristic most noted about Barack while he was running for the Presidency was his indecisiveness and need to get lots of others opinions
Which isn't a bad thing but it frustated many, since Presidents must make many decisions swiftly.
Apparently Hillary had reached her cut off point and told him FFS, DO IT already!

AB, you can drop the Right Wing screed because it was Hills herself who said it...

Clinton Invokes Role Advising Bin Laden Raid in Speech to Veterans

Excerpt:
Speaking here at the American Legion National Convention, Clinton highlighted her personal and professional military bona fides, describing her upbringing as the daughter of a Navy chief petty officer and invoking her role as an adviser in the May 2011 Navy SEAL raid that killed al-Qaida founder Osama bin Laden.

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  • Stolen emails from campaign chairman John Podesta's account revealed audio of her talking about the bin Laden take down in paid remarks
  • She routinely talks about that evening on the campaign trail, emphasizing her go-vote in the Situation Room as Obama considered his options

One Navy Seal retaliated at her..

'We didn't kill Osama bin Laden because of Hillary Clinton': Former Navy SEAL blasts the Democrat he's 'never met' for using raid to make money

'She's taking some credit and she's raising money because of it,' he said of the former secretary of state. 'I don't want to take away from the part she had, but we didn't kill Osama bin Laden because of Hillary Clinton.'

But Clinton of course, didn't stop...

'Clinton routinely talks about that evening on the campaign trail, emphasizing her go-vote in the Situation Room as President Barack Obama considered his options...

'I was in the small group that recommended to the president that he go after bin Laden,' Clinton says.

The ex-cabinet secretary proceeded to provide an account of the hunt for the 9/11 mastermind that mismatches other reported information..

'The amount of work that was required to get a strong-enough basis of information on which to plan took more than a decade . . . and then all of a sudden putting this matrix together and saying, "This guy used to protect bin Laden — he has just made a phone call. He said this in the phone call. We need to figure out where he is. Then we need to follow him."


At an Iowa rally during the primary she asserted, 'I was one of those who recommended the president launch what was a very risky raid.'

Barack himself said..
'..As secretary of State, she sat with me in the Situation Room and forcefully argued in favor of the mission that took out Bin Laden.'

 

But l did acknowledge Trump fucked up. Can you acknowledge Biden's collosal fuck up?

 

HRC being one of many votes either to GO or STAND DOWN doesn't mean Hillary made the ultimate decision to launch the raid on the OBL compound. The final call is still on the president, no matter who is advising him or her.

No matter what you say, Obama made the final call. No one bullied or pushed him to do it because he was indecisive. Being overly deliberative where human lives are involved isn't a sign of indecisiveness.smh.
Being a top aide to the POTUS doesn't mean you ARE the one making the final decisions, which is why I say it sounds like you're smearing Obama.

Just because Cheney, for instance, was the intellectual force behind the Dubya presidency, that still doesn't mean all the poor decisions that came out of his Oval Office weren't his responsibility.

As for conservatives arguing Obama was responsible for giving the Trump administration the intel on the Yemen raid, old intel is bad intel. For Trump to base most of his decision making process solely on the intel left behind by the Obama administration is just poor leadership.

 

Hahaha..said every Dem about Dubya during BO's 8 years.

Anyhoo..
I found your solice spot. Your safe space. Better hurry up with that Bitcoin fortune so you can join them..
Apocalypse island: Tech billionaires are building boltholes in New Zealand because they now fear social collapse or nuclear war. So what do they know that we don't?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lionaires-building-boltholes-New-Zealand.html

 

Fuck outta here with your #AlternativeFacts. Everyone knows that Hillary Clinton is the mastermind behind everything from the moon landing to Tupac getting shot in Vegas.

 

LOL. Oh God are we fucked!!!!
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/02/media/kfile-stern-on-trump/

Howard Stern: Trump wants to be loved, presidency will be 'detrimental' to his mental health.

Howard Stern said on his program Wednesday that Trump will hate being president and the role will be detrimental to his mental health.
Stern and Trump are long-time friends, with Trump making numerous appearances on Stern's radio show over the years.

"I personally wish that he had never run, I told him that, because I actually think this is something that is gonna be detrimental to his mental health too, because, he wants to be liked, he wants to be loved," Stern said. "He wants people to cheer for him."

"I don't think it's going to be a healthy experience. And by the way, he's now on this anti-Hollywood kick. He loves Hollywood. First of all, he loves the press. He lives for it. He loves people in Hollywood. He only wants to hobnob with them. All of this hatred and stuff directed towards him. It's not good for him. It's not good. There's a reason every president who leaves the office has grey hair."
Trump frequently appeared on Stern's radio program over the past two decades, engaging in the kind of crude talk about women and celebrities typical of the shock-jock's show. During the campaign, CNN's KFile surfaced demeaning comments Trump made about women on the show.
Stern said he considers Trump a friend, but is opposed to his politics.

"I like Donald very much personally. I was shocked when he decided to run for president, and even more shocked that sort of, people took it seriously," Stern said.
"I remember saying to him when he announced his presidency, I remember being quite amazed, because I remember him being for Hillary Clinton," Stern added.

"And I remember him being very--I mean he was pro-abortion. So the new Donald Trump kind of surprised me."
Stern said he doesn't believe Trump has had a change of heart on issues like abortion, but is instead playing to his base.
The radio host said he also believed Trump ran for president solely to get a larger contract from NBC for "The Apprentice."

"I think it started out as like a kinda cool, fun thing to do in order to get a couple more bucks out of NBC for The Apprentice, I actually do believe that," Stern said.
"He just wanted a couple more bucks out of NBC, and that is why Donald is calling for voter fraud investigations. He's pissed he won. He still wants Hillary Clinton to win. He's so f—ing pissed, he's hoping that he can find some voter fraud and hand it over to Hillary."

 

Lol. At first I was thinking about operation red wings (Damn time flies) That was my bad. Seem like that wasn't long ago at all. But boba still answered your question. When did you admit that Chump fucked up?

And why are you asking me did I speak out about something that happened before I even joined the forum? Lol. You gonna call me a hypocrite for not posting rants about it in 2011?? Lmao.

 

Lololol! Hysterical!!!!!!!

 

Exclusive: Trump to focus counter-extremism program solely on Islam - sources

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The Trump administration wants to revamp and rename a U.S. government program designed to counter all violent ideologies so that it focuses solely on Islamist extremism, five people briefed on the matter told Reuters.
The program, "Countering Violent Extremism," or CVE, would be changed to "Countering Islamic Extremism" or "Countering Radical Islamic Extremism," the sources said, and would no longer target groups such as white supremacists who have also carried out bombings and shootings in the United States."


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-extremists-program-exclusiv-idUSKBN15G5VO

 

That you people voted in people who are seeking out world war 3. You simply don't get how deeply fucked you are. You can parade around are your white nationalist float of how great it all is for you but real and present danger is you voted in people who are on a religious holy war. They are far more dangerous than any other dictatorship in history because they have drones and nuclear weapons and ZERO CONSCIOUS. So keep jumping up and down about great it all will be and all the jobs he's brought back. You helped to usher in the end for us all because skin color was so much more important than actual humanity
Still waiting on you to tell me how great and wise his cabinet picks are.

 

Lol...you do realize he's joking.
Love Howard..l listen to him on Sirius..l hope you understand that they talk about The Donald only during Robins news segment and they really aren't deep about it.

Curious..do you listen to Howard?