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[orejon4]

So wrong. Too terribly wrong.
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4122-meat-eating-is-an-old-human-habit.html#.VXnMQPlViko

Humans evolved beyond their vegetarian roots and became meat-eaters at the dawn of the genus homosexual, around 2.5 million years ago, according to a study of our ancestors' teeth.

In 1999, researchers found cut marks on animal bones dated at around 2.5 million years old. But no one could be sure that they were made by meat-eating hominids, because none appeared to have suitable teeth.

Now an analysis by Peter Ungar of the University of Arkansas has revealed that the first members of homosexual had much sharper teeth than their most likely immediate ancestor, Australopithecus afarensis, the species that produced the famous fossil Lucy.

Eating meat requires teeth adapted more to cutting than to grinding. The ability to cut is determined by the slope of the cusps, or crests. "Steeper crests mean the ability to consume tougher foods," Ungar says. He has found that the crests of teeth from early homosexual skeletons are steeper than those of gorillas, which consume foods as tough as leaves and stems, but not meat.

Ripe fruit

But the crests of teeth from A. afarensis are not only shallower than those of early homosexual, they are also shallower than those of chimpanzees, which consume mostly soft foods such as ripe fruit, and almost no meat.

"Ungar shows that early homosexual had teeth adapted to tougher food than A. afarensis or [chimpanzees]. The obvious candidate is meat," says anthropologist Richard Wrangham of Harvard University.

Ungar used a laser to scan each tooth and mapped the surface as though it were a landscape, using a geographic information system, he told a symposium on diet and evolution at the University of Arkansas in August.

He had to find a way to compare teeth already worn by use, because unworn teeth are extremely rare in fossils. In a previous study on the teeth of gorillas and chimps, he validated the technique by showing that the differences between species' teeth remain constant however much they are worn down (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, vol 100, p 3874).
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Furthermore, if our teeth weren't evolved to adapt to the meat-eating measures, then our digestive systems would reject eating meat altogether as a source of iron and protein. As for fingers? They are merely designed to hold in place items. It's not like meat would automatically be well over 200 K to where it would burn the fingers with mere touch.

The closest living relatives of homosexual sapiens, chimpanzees, eat both. It's highly possible that while ancient hominids and early humans were both omnivorous, homosexual sapiens has over time eaten progressively less meat, as more of a luxury or bonus, rather than a primary source of protein, as gathering and later agriculture provided an increasing share of human nutrition. I think we should get some protein from animal muscle tissue, but think that modern, sedentary people get far too much meat and far too many simple carbs.

 

[Morning Star]

I think we're missing one fundamental component regarding meat consumption and it's not so much on how much we consume. Rather, it's how much time we're willing to give to burn the meat into the systems to keep from getting bigger and we could say that we have to blame the lack of self-sufficiency as a society.

The closest living relatives of homosexual sapiens, chimpanzees, eat both. It's highly possible that while ancient hominids and early humans were both omnivorous, homosexual sapiens has over time eaten progressively less meat, as more of a luxury or bonus, rather than a primary source of protein, as gathering and later agriculture provided an increasing share of human nutrition. I think we should get some protein from animal muscle tissue, but think that modern, sedentary people get far too much meat and far too many simple carbs.

 

[orejon4]

I think we're missing one fundamental component regarding meat consumption and it's not so much on how much we consume. Rather, it's how much time we're willing to give to burn the meat into the systems to keep from getting bigger and we could say that we have to blame the lack of self-sufficiency as a society.

The human diet has become less balanced over time and it's probably a good thing for overall nutrition to have greater variety, even if the stomach can probably digest all the meat consumed, eventually.

 

[Beasty]

I'm not really sure of this last paragraph comment on the frog, or the point. Health insurance?

You laugh at the canabal question..but won't answer it? Why?

The meat eating society is not feasible. It's unsustainable. The amount of food, water and space it takes to give you your steak would provide vegetarian feed and water for a whole villIage. It's a staggering statistic l will show you later).

Valuing an animals's life is not dividing valuing a human's. We respect all life of the innocent, we don't take it.

(Loki l will be back soon to reply..have appointment) *

Ok cows require more land than I thought. Them fuckers can eat. LOL. I guess the question now is can this same land that was used for hay be used for nuts, beans, and potatoes.

Right now, it looks as if the better solution would be for us to stop raising cows and keep the other animals on the menu.

 

[RaiderLL]

Ok cows require more land than I thought. Them fuckers can eat. LOL. I guess the question now is can this same land that was used for hay be used for nuts, beans, and potatoes.

Right now, it looks as if the better solution would be for us to stop raising cows and keep the other animals on the menu.

Excellent idea. I don't eat red meat (nothing vegetarian about me, just think cows are cute and I don't love meat in general)...it's beneficial to eat other kinds of meat anyways though. Let's all leave the cows alone

 

[orejon4]

Excellent idea. I don't eat red meat (nothing vegetarian about me, just think cows are cute and I don't love meat in general)...it's beneficial to eat other kinds of meat anyways though. Let's all leave the cows alone

It's getting all Hindu Hare Krishna up in here...

 

[Loki]

It's getting all Hindu Hare Krishna up in here...

For me, giving up red meat (most meats in general) was purely a health decision per below, since I have two direct male relatives (paternal grandpa died from colon cancer) and my pops had a colon cancer scare a few years back (thank God we caught it early), so I already had two strikes against me, and I don't want to tempt fate.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/family_health_guide/red-meat-and-colon-cancer

"Although the results vary, studies from around the world have suggested that a high consumption of meat is linked to an increased risk of colon cancer. In all cases the worry is confined to red meat, not chicken."

 

[RaiderLL]

It's getting all Hindu Hare Krishna up in here...

Lol sorry. I'm a sucker for anything with fur so giving up meat has never been an issue. I'd never make it as a vegetarian or anything cause I still drink/eat (lactose free) milk and cheeses, not to mention other animal products.

 

[Beasty]

Lol sorry. I'm a sucker for anything with fur so giving up meat has never been an issue. I'd never make it as a vegetarian or anything cause I still drink/eat (lactose free) milk and cheeses, not to mention other animal products.

That pretty much sounds like a vegetarian. Vegans are the ones that refrain from all animal products.

 

[orejon4]

For me, giving up red meat (most meats in general) was purely a health decision per below, since I have two direct male relatives (paternal grandpa died from colon cancer) and my pops had a colon cancer scare a few years back (thank God we caught it early), so I already had two strikes against me, and I don't want to tempt fate.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/family_health_guide/red-meat-and-colon-cancer

"Although the results vary, studies from around the world have suggested that a high consumption of meat is linked to an increased risk of colon cancer. In all cases the worry is confined to red meat, not chicken."

The only cancer in my family was pancreatic cancer in my maternal grandfather in his 80s, so I'm primarily worried about that one. I'm not all steak crazy, either. I'm on top of that yardbird and our finned friends, however. The beef is mostly when it's pizza or taco time.

Lol sorry. I'm a sucker for anything with fur so giving up meat has never been an issue. I'd never make it as a vegetarian or anything cause I still drink/eat (lactose free) milk and cheeses, not to mention other animal products.

I don't want it all the time, just enough to get a few mouthfuls, lol.

 

[Beasty]

I don't really eat red meat unless I'm cooking out, bourbon burgers with woodford reserve and bloody ribeye steaks are my weakness.

 

[RaiderLL]

That pretty much sounds like a vegetarian. Vegans are the ones that refrain from all animal products.

True I guess if I was strict with it, I'd use that classification. I do eat seafood though occasionally and chicken on rare occasion. My family can't imagine a world without meat so they harp on me about not getting enough protein and stuff so I throw them a bone sometimes and eat some chx breast or something lol. See...terrible "vegetarian"

 

[Beasty]

True I guess if I was strict with it, I'd use that classification. I do eat seafood though occasionally and chicken on rare occasion. My family can't imagine a world without meat so they harp on me about not getting enough protein and stuff so I throw them a bone sometimes and eat some chx breast or something lol. See...terrible "vegetarian"

Seafood never gets boring.

Maybe they will ease up on you if you have a shake every now and then.

 

[Loki]

True I guess if I was strict with it, I'd use that classification. I do eat seafood though occasionally and chicken on rare occasion. My family can't imagine a world without meat so they harp on me about not getting enough protein and stuff so I throw them a bone sometimes and eat some chx breast or something lol. See...terrible "vegetarian"

You're a "flexitarian" too, welcome to the club!

 

[RaiderLL]

Seafood never gets boring.

Maybe they will ease up on you if you have a shake every now and then.

Lol dude I tried! I have three different kinds of protein shakes I rotate through but people still swear I need meat. Meat (except seafood) gives me a tummy ache but these peeps don't care lol. No winning with my crazy fam

You're a "flexitarian" too, welcome to the club!

I need to go back and read the definition! Always in good company with you though :freehug:

 

[Bliss]

Hey Bliss, did not know you were vegetarian, over the last couple of years I have been working my way to being a "flexitarian" per definition below. I have cut out all meats (losing bacon and the occasional filet mignon, was TOUGH!!!) but turkey and salmon. I have seen multiple benefits to my health, but i'm struggling with finding palatable protein sources to replace my two remaining meat sources, any suggestions?

http://vegetarian.about.com/od/glossary/f/flexitarian.htm
What is a flexitarian? You don’t have to be vegetarian to love vegetarian food! “Flexitarian” is a term recently coined to describe those who eat a mostly vegetarian diet, but occasionally eat meat.

I have not heard of flexetarian-ism. Do you still eat chicken as you didn't mention them?

I'm not sure what you seek in terms of palatable substitutes, not knowing your tastes. I do know there is protein in almost every food..

There is also this...a company called Quorn..I'm planing on trying...check out their creativity.

http://www.quorn.us/about/

Excerpt:
Quorn products are made from Mycoprotein. Mycoprotein is a nutritionally healthy protein source that is meat free and naturally low in saturated fat and high in fiber.

Quorn products have the taste, appearance and texture of meat, perfect if you want meat free meals or are thinking of creating healthier versions of your favorite everyday meals

THERE is also Beyond Meat...

http://beyondmeat.com/products
Look at their 100% plant protein products

EDIT: The Today Show put Beyond Meat to the 'steak' test. Both Anchors failed..They thought it was the real thing
http://www.today.com/food/today-puts-meatless-meat-test-does-it-taste-chicken-1D79579619
Bill Gates and Twitter founders LOVE this product, as well.

Also, White Castles have veggie Sliders..I hear they are good.
Skip Burger Kings veggie Burger...They need my sister to whip up a better burger for them to sell!

Finally, peruse Whole Foods Market...some really creative protein foods.

 

[wtarshi]

Hey Bliss, did not know you were vegetarian, over the last couple of years I have been working my way to being a "flexitarian" per definition below. I have cut out all meats (losing bacon and the occasional filet mignon, was TOUGH!!!) but turkey and salmon. I have seen multiple benefits to my health, but i'm struggling with finding palatable protein sources to replace my two remaining meat sources, any suggestions?

http://vegetarian.about.com/od/glossary/f/flexitarian.htm
What is a flexitarian? You don’t have to be vegetarian to love vegetarian food! “Flexitarian” is a term recently coined to describe those who eat a mostly vegetarian diet, but occasionally eat meat.

I've been vegetarian since 2000 and almost vegan...it's quite the commitment to change your entire lifestyle, but once it's in place, it's so easy.

Like Blissimo said, there are so many different vegetarian protein options available these days, that it's quite easy to replace flesh for friendly. Once you've gotten the hang of it though, you'll discover new and exciting avenues to explore that doesn't revolve around the meat and 3 veg meal.

And flexitarian is a term I've never come across before

 

[goodlove]

The problem i have is finding recipes that i can make at home that are easy and fast

Hey Bliss, did not know you were vegetarian, over the last couple of years I have been working my way to being a "flexitarian" per definition below. I have cut out all meats (losing bacon and the occasional filet mignon, was TOUGH!!!) but turkey and salmon. I have seen multiple benefits to my health, but i'm struggling with finding palatable protein sources to replace my two remaining meat sources, any suggestions?

http://vegetarian.about.com/od/glossary/f/flexitarian.htm
What is a flexitarian? You don’t have to be vegetarian to love vegetarian food! “Flexitarian” is a term recently coined to describe those who eat a mostly vegetarian diet, but occasionally eat meat.

I have not heard of flexetarian-ism. Do you still eat chicken as you didn't mention them?

I'm not sure what you seek in terms of palatable substitutes, not knowing your tastes. I do know there is protein in almost every food..

There is also this...a company called Quorn..I'm planing on trying...check out their creativity.

http://www.quorn.us/about/

Excerpt:
Quorn products are made from Mycoprotein. Mycoprotein is a nutritionally healthy protein source that is meat free and naturally low in saturated fat and high in fiber.

Quorn products have the taste, appearance and texture of meat, perfect if you want meat free meals or are thinking of creating healthier versions of your favorite everyday meals

THERE is also Beyond Meat...

http://beyondmeat.com/products
Look at their 100% plant protein products

EDIT: The Today Show put Beyond Meat to the 'steak' test. Both Anchors failed..They thought it was the real thing
http://www.today.com/food/today-puts-meatless-meat-test-does-it-taste-chicken-1D79579619
Bill Gates and Twitter founders LOVE this product, as well.

Also, White Castles have veggie Sliders..I hear they are good.
Skip Burger Kings veggie Burger...They need my sister to whip up a better burger for them to sell!

Finally, peruse Whole Foods Market...some really creative protein foods.

I've been vegetarian since 2000 and almost vegan...it's quite the commitment to change your entire lifestyle, but once it's in place, it's so easy.

Like Blissimo said, there are so many different vegetarian protein options available these days, that it's quite easy to replace flesh for friendly. Once you've gotten the hang of it though, you'll discover new and exciting avenues to explore that doesn't revolve around the meat and 3 veg meal.

And flexitarian is a term I've never come across before

 

[Loki]

I have not heard of flexetarian-ism. Do you still eat chicken as you didn't mention them?

I'm not sure what you seek in terms of palatable substitutes, not knowing your tastes. I do know there is protein in almost every food..

There is also this...a company called Quorn..I'm planing on trying...check out their creativity.

http://www.quorn.us/about/

Excerpt:
Quorn products are made from Mycoprotein. Mycoprotein is a nutritionally healthy protein source that is meat free and naturally low in saturated fat and high in fiber.

Quorn products have the taste, appearance and texture of meat, perfect if you want meat free meals or are thinking of creating healthier versions of your favorite everyday meals

THERE is also Beyond Meat...

http://beyondmeat.com/products
Look at their 100% plant protein products

EDIT: The Today Show put Beyond Meat to the 'steak' test. Both Anchors failed..They thought it was the real thing
http://www.today.com/food/today-puts-meatless-meat-test-does-it-taste-chicken-1D79579619
Bill Gates and Twitter founders LOVE this product, as well.

Also, White Castles have veggie Sliders..I hear they are good.
Skip Burger Kings veggie Burger...They need my sister to whip up a better burger for them to sell!

Finally, peruse Whole Foods Market...some really creative protein foods.

Thanks for all the info Bliss, never heard of Quorn, will have to check them out for sure! I'm down to only two meat sources, turkey and salmon, everything else is cut, so no chicken either (insert stereotypical Black man/chicken joke here :razz:
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Good stuff, thanks again.

 

[Loki]

I've been vegetarian since 2000 and almost vegan...it's quite the commitment to change your entire lifestyle, but once it's in place, it's so easy.

Like Blissimo said, there are so many different vegetarian protein options available these days, that it's quite easy to replace flesh for friendly. Once you've gotten the hang of it though, you'll discover new and exciting avenues to explore that doesn't revolve around the meat and 3 veg meal.

And flexitarian is a term I've never come across before

Im working on it, slow process for me to go full vegitarian, I have noticed a BIG change to my tastes, since I have been cutting out meats and refined sugar, for me its all about finding good tasty alternatives before making the total switch otherwise I know I will fall back to old habits. Thanks for the input and encouragement.