Bliss
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How so? We are of average size, possess no claws, no sharp fangs, strength wise, we pale in comparison to other animals..
Hunger? Show me a killer shooter who is starving/hungry. They enjoy the kill, no doubt about it.
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How so? We are of average size, possess no claws, no sharp fangs, strength wise, we pale in comparison to other animals..
Hunger? Show me a killer shooter who is starving/hungry. They enjoy the kill, no doubt about it.
pettyofficerj
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Pretty sure Jesus ate meat
Murderer!
Murderer!
The Dark King
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Have you ever gone hunting? Most people who do it actually eat their kill. Very few people actually do sport hunting. You should try it. It's how our species survived.
Beasty
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Like Steve Jobs said we are tool builders. Why do we need claws?? Starving? We don't wait till we are starving to acquire meat, just like we (hopefully) don't wait until we are completely out of toilet paper to restock.
LMAO
Bliss
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We certainly are tool builders. We built the atom bomb. Steve never built anything.
We didn't come out of the womb with tools, btw. If we were genuine meat eaters, we''d need claws to rip the flesh from an animal's body to stuff it in our mouth, and drink it's blood. Canibals do a similar thing to humans.
Beasty
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In a hypothetic country where everyone ate plant sources for protein, that country would be more vulnerable. More susceptible to market forces and people who simply want to kill or rule us.
That completely goes against any and every logic to survive in a world were others can create conditions to limit our food supply.
Steve Jobs didn't have to create tools himself he had the insight to possibilities coupled with strategic vision.
pettyofficerj
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/11/ban-the-box-new-york_n_7561042.html
Now ur debt to society has really been 'paid'
Now ur debt to society has really been 'paid'
Bliss
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Are you really trying to tell me that's why we should eat meat? Because other nations will try to kill us, otherwise??
Beasty
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Survival is Survival.
Talking about the big picture of it. We do eat to survive or sustain life, no?Diversity is usually a good thing, food choices are no exception.
Bliss
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I'm not sure you answered my question. To expound on that, other nations could poision our meat supply and over run us, no?
The big picture is we are dying by our massive over-consumption of meat and killing other living, sentient animals in record numbers to satisfy our 'diversity' bloodlust. Curious still.. if you are fine with canabilism?
Morning Star
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We're omnivores actually. There is a never an either/or scenario, especially since our teeth have evolved to accommodate eating meat over time. All simple evolution actually.
Bliss
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Our teeth are not designed to masticate raw flesh. A raw carrot, sure. Same with our fingers.
Morning Star
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So wrong. Too terribly wrong.
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4122-meat-eating-is-an-old-human-habit.html#.VXnMQPlViko
Humans evolved beyond their vegetarian roots and became meat-eaters at the dawn of the genus homosexual, around 2.5 million years ago, according to a study of our ancestors' teeth.
In 1999, researchers found cut marks on animal bones dated at around 2.5 million years old. But no one could be sure that they were made by meat-eating hominids, because none appeared to have suitable teeth.
Now an analysis by Peter Ungar of the University of Arkansas has revealed that the first members of homosexual had much sharper teeth than their most likely immediate ancestor, Australopithecus afarensis, the species that produced the famous fossil Lucy.
Eating meat requires teeth adapted more to cutting than to grinding. The ability to cut is determined by the slope of the cusps, or crests. "Steeper crests mean the ability to consume tougher foods," Ungar says. He has found that the crests of teeth from early homosexual skeletons are steeper than those of gorillas, which consume foods as tough as leaves and stems, but not meat.
Ripe fruit
But the crests of teeth from A. afarensis are not only shallower than those of early homosexual, they are also shallower than those of chimpanzees, which consume mostly soft foods such as ripe fruit, and almost no meat.
"Ungar shows that early homosexual had teeth adapted to tougher food than A. afarensis or [chimpanzees]. The obvious candidate is meat," says anthropologist Richard Wrangham of Harvard University.
Ungar used a laser to scan each tooth and mapped the surface as though it were a landscape, using a geographic information system, he told a symposium on diet and evolution at the University of Arkansas in August.
He had to find a way to compare teeth already worn by use, because unworn teeth are extremely rare in fossils. In a previous study on the teeth of gorillas and chimps, he validated the technique by showing that the differences between species' teeth remain constant however much they are worn down (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, vol 100, p 3874).
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Furthermore, if our teeth weren't evolved to adapt to the meat-eating measures, then our digestive systems would reject eating meat altogether as a source of iron and protein. As for fingers? They are merely designed to hold in place items. It's not like meat would automatically be well over 200 K to where it would burn the fingers with mere touch.
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4122-meat-eating-is-an-old-human-habit.html#.VXnMQPlViko
Humans evolved beyond their vegetarian roots and became meat-eaters at the dawn of the genus homosexual, around 2.5 million years ago, according to a study of our ancestors' teeth.
In 1999, researchers found cut marks on animal bones dated at around 2.5 million years old. But no one could be sure that they were made by meat-eating hominids, because none appeared to have suitable teeth.
Now an analysis by Peter Ungar of the University of Arkansas has revealed that the first members of homosexual had much sharper teeth than their most likely immediate ancestor, Australopithecus afarensis, the species that produced the famous fossil Lucy.
Eating meat requires teeth adapted more to cutting than to grinding. The ability to cut is determined by the slope of the cusps, or crests. "Steeper crests mean the ability to consume tougher foods," Ungar says. He has found that the crests of teeth from early homosexual skeletons are steeper than those of gorillas, which consume foods as tough as leaves and stems, but not meat.
Ripe fruit
But the crests of teeth from A. afarensis are not only shallower than those of early homosexual, they are also shallower than those of chimpanzees, which consume mostly soft foods such as ripe fruit, and almost no meat.
"Ungar shows that early homosexual had teeth adapted to tougher food than A. afarensis or [chimpanzees]. The obvious candidate is meat," says anthropologist Richard Wrangham of Harvard University.
Ungar used a laser to scan each tooth and mapped the surface as though it were a landscape, using a geographic information system, he told a symposium on diet and evolution at the University of Arkansas in August.
He had to find a way to compare teeth already worn by use, because unworn teeth are extremely rare in fossils. In a previous study on the teeth of gorillas and chimps, he validated the technique by showing that the differences between species' teeth remain constant however much they are worn down (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, vol 100, p 3874).
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Furthermore, if our teeth weren't evolved to adapt to the meat-eating measures, then our digestive systems would reject eating meat altogether as a source of iron and protein. As for fingers? They are merely designed to hold in place items. It's not like meat would automatically be well over 200 K to where it would burn the fingers with mere touch.
Beasty
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Or maybe the vegan lifestyle is feasible because not everyone else is trying to do it. I did mention market forces.
cannibalism? are you for real? lmao
That goes back to that post someone made about how some people value the life of an animal more than they value humans.
I value human life, but I'm against hunting animals for sport; we live on a higher plane of consciousness than animals. I can't survive by eating flies, a frog can. He doesn't know about health or germs, has no concern for health insurance, and most of all he thinks that shit is delicious.
Loki
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Hey Bliss, did not know you were vegetarian, over the last couple of years I have been working my way to being a "flexitarian" per definition below. I have cut out all meats (losing bacon and the occasional filet mignon, was TOUGH!!!) but turkey and salmon. I have seen multiple benefits to my health, but i'm struggling with finding palatable protein sources to replace my two remaining meat sources, any suggestions?
http://vegetarian.about.com/od/glossary/f/flexitarian.htm
What is a flexitarian? You don’t have to be vegetarian to love vegetarian food! “Flexitarian” is a term recently coined to describe those who eat a mostly vegetarian diet, but occasionally eat meat.
pettyofficerj
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Living in a first world nation where food alternatives are abundant is awesome!
Bliss
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You say l'm "Wrong"??
Because of 'Unknown Cut marks on animal BONES'? From 2.5 million yrs ago. And this is your basis?
They couldn't even prove it. Further more, the Ungar guy said our most immediate ancestors to the original vegetarian human developed sharp teeth to cut meat...honey that takes a long time to evolve,...So then what happened... why don't we still have them?
He even admits his theory is flawed.
You can eat unsuitable food and not reject it, just like you can ingest drugs in the body and not reject it.
Bliss
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I'm not really sure of this last paragraph comment on the frog, or the point. Health insurance?
You laugh at the canabal question..but won't answer it? Why?
The meat eating society is not feasible. It's unsustainable. The amount of food, water and space it takes to give you your steak would provide vegetarian feed and water for a whole villIage. It's a staggering statistic l will show you later).
Valuing an animals's life is not dividing valuing a human's. We respect all life of the innocent, we don't take it.
(Loki l will be back soon to reply..have appointment) *
Beasty
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Vegans only rely on vegetable sources for protein unlike meat eaters who typically get their protein from both. Our diets are much more diverse. Making us less vulnerable to shortages. To know if it is feasible for everyone to get their protein from vegetable sources, we would first have to discuss how much protein the average person needs to sustain their health and weight and how many nuts, potatoes, and beans are needed per person to satisfy the protein requirement.
Then we have to discuss the areas on this planet that support growth of those plant sources, as well as how much farm land that is currently used for veggies like tomatoes, that now must be used to for potatoes, nuts and beans because we are going to need much more of that if everyone commits to veganism.
Then we will have an idea which countries are going to gain market power due to this new choice in eating habits as well as the upward pressure on prices. Last but not least we would have to account for shortages in food supply due to natural disasters, market control, and deliberate destruction by competitors.
If you would have some of this information, I would be very interested in reading.
The point I was making in the last paragraph is that animals don't suffer in the way humans do because their consciousness is not on the same level we are on. That's what make dogs unique because they are about the only animal that suffer similar psychological problems as humans. In short if a human is killed the devastation to his or her family would more than likely be greater than if a lion is killed. For example it is common practice for a male lion to kill all of the female lion's cubs that don't belong to him when they mate.
How likely is it for a human female to forgive and forget such a devious act? We suffer more due to our higher consciousness that's one of the reasons why I see human life as having a higher value than animals.
I'm totally against cannibalism.
Morning Star
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Again, we're omnivores, hence why we do have teeth to accommodate the needs to eat even meat. Understanding the anatomy of the human skull vs other creatures should prove to be the case.
http://www.mainstreetsmiles.com/dental-and-skull-anatomy-of-carnivores-herbivores-and-omnivores/
Also, regarding your last sentence, you've made a fallacy. Drugs isn't food. If you're going to resort to examples, you could have used poop instead.
http://www.mainstreetsmiles.com/dental-and-skull-anatomy-of-carnivores-herbivores-and-omnivores/
Also, regarding your last sentence, you've made a fallacy. Drugs isn't food. If you're going to resort to examples, you could have used poop instead.