Jamie Fox and Katie Holmes

qaz1 said:
Crazy thing is, people often don't even realize the expectations they have for marriage. They're so ingrained and natural-seeming that it's not even something they think about.
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exactly! And my example was just that....it was old school cultural stuff that they had that they didn't even realize they had. I've seen all sorts of variations of that. It often comes up in marriage and even more so when kids come. People often will parent out of reaction and their history rather than actually creating/building their own parenting philosophy.
 
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Even if that's true, the good ones aren't *just*business.
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I never said they were "just" business. But the reality is that it is business....and usually those who get messed up the most are those who don't realize it and are doing everything based on feelings. Business should never be based on emotions.

Nothing good comes from getting courts involved in families
 
K said:
I was just having this conversation with a 41 year old man I know who has decided to get married. I asked why? He said because his long term gf feels like it gives them more social valididation (WTF?!) There won't be any more chlldren, they've both been married and divorced both have kids and are done with that. They all have benefits - the kids are all double covered, so that's not anything that will make a difference. Oh and they have an open relationship. He tossed out the tax thing. I think that's a lame reason - there are other ways to get tax breaks. So, I said - ok so basically you are going to get married because of her insecurities? smh

Let's be real here, marriage is business. Sometimes there are benefits in doing it, others there are not.
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With Hypergamy, some women want marriage for no other reason than the status it brings. If she is divorced, it can affect her status in certain areas, because as progressive as people claim to be, they still maintain a lot of traditional thought-processes. In addition to that, a second marriage will allow her to potentially double-dip into the finances of both the ex and the current in the event of death or divorce. The open marriage part is essentially the dream. She gets to mess with whomever she wants in private, while maintaining the illusion that she has some perfect monogamous lifestyle. Basically, Home maker during the day, and Hoe-maker during the night, lol. It's her insecurities mixed with her selfishness and hypergamy. Sucks, but if he falls for it, then that is on him.
 
good point. She's working. I think the open situation is more his doing than hers. They started out as fuck friends. I think she only agrees to it because she knows he wouldn't have gone for not. She's afraid he's going to end up wanting someone else for more than just sex, as if being married would stop that. I just find it all interesting. They both had messy divorces that were very costly. People seem to lose their minds when they "fall in love" though.
 
K said:
good point. She's working. I think the open situation is more his doing than hers. They started out as fuck friends. I think she only agrees to it because she knows he wouldn't have gone for not. She's afraid he's going to end up wanting someone else for more than just sex, as if being married would stop that. I just find it all interesting. They both had messy divorces that were very costly. People seem to lose their minds when they "fall in love" though.
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I'm technically an "old Millenial". I know that baby boomers and Gen Xers still look to marriage as the logical next step in a relationship. So, it may just be ingrained, although it makes little sense. It also seems like she is trying to control a situation that can't be controlled.
 
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K said:
I never said they were "just" business. But the reality is that it is business....and usually those who get messed up the most are those who don't realize it and are doing everything based on feelings. Business should never be based on emotions.
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Perhaps emotion has less of a place in business (though I'd argue it still has some). But as we've agreed, marriage is more than just business. There is definitely a place for emotion in marriage; it just has to be kept in it's PROPER place.

K said:
Nothing good comes from getting courts involved in families
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This isn't true at all. Courts often save people from their families (abusive marriages, child abuse, etc.). In other instances, they form and solidify families (adoptions, elder conservatorship, etc.). Sometimes they help our families protect us from ourselves (psychiatric holds, mandatory recovery treatments, etc.).

It's absolutely the case that codifying human interaction gets messy, and courts are often unwieldy or misguided. But no system for dealing with humans will ever be perfect. And courts also do an incredible amount of good by getting involved with families.
 
qaz1 said:
Perhaps emotion has less of a place in business (though I'd argue it still has some). But as we've agreed, marriage is more than just business. There is definitely a place for emotion in marriage; it just has to be kept in it's PROPER place.


This isn't true at all. Courts often save people from their families (abusive marriages, child abuse, etc.). In other instances, they form and solidify families (adoptions, elder conservatorship, etc.). Sometimes they help our families protect us from ourselves (psychiatric holds, mandatory recovery treatments, etc.).

It's absolutely the case that codifying human interaction gets messy, and courts are often unwieldy or misguided. But no system for dealing with humans will ever be perfect. And courts also do an incredible amount of good by getting involved with families.
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I would call this an oversimplification of a more complex matter. But, I do understand the point you are trying to make.
 
meowkittenmeow said:
I would call this an oversimplification of a more complex matter. But, I do understand the point you are trying to make.
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Yeah, it's definitely an oversimplification, as is most conversation here lol. It'd take more time and space than anyone wants to write or read about to do the subject justice.

But I understand your point, and K's point, as well.
 
qaz1 said:
Yeah, it's definitely an oversimplification, as is most conversation here lol. It'd take more time and space than anyone wants to write or read about to do the subject justice.

But I understand your point, and K's point, as well.
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Ditto. I wonder if Jamie and Katie are just happy. Tabloids always push the "get married" crap, when marriage isn't remotely necessary. I think they are just happy together, an a marriage might actually ruin that.
 
meowkittenmeow said:
Ditto. I wonder if Jamie and Katie are just happy. Tabloids always push the "get married" crap, when marriage isn't remotely necessary. I think they are just happy together, an a marriage might actually ruin that.
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Like I've said before, what works for them ain't my business lol.
 
meowkittenmeow said:
Just trying to get back on subject.
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That's probably a good idea lol. I'll help...

I found the latest supposedly accurate word on their "relationship..."

https://www.gossipcop.com/katie-holmes-jamie-foxx-split-took-back-chemistry/

...as well as multiple timelines...

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrit...oxx-a-timeline-of-their-relationship-w482707/

https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a26061305/katie-holmes-jamie-foxx-photos/

I hope you all appreciate that I did actual gossip research for you lol!
 
qaz1 said:
That's probably a good idea lol. I'll help...

I found the latest supposedly accurate word on their "relationship..."

https://www.gossipcop.com/katie-holmes-jamie-foxx-split-took-back-chemistry/

...as well as multiple timelines...

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrit...oxx-a-timeline-of-their-relationship-w482707/

https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a26061305/katie-holmes-jamie-foxx-photos/

I hope you all appreciate that I did actual gossip research for you lol!
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LOL, kinder than me, I wouldn't have done that shit.
 
New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art’s 2019 Costume Institute Gala - May 6, 2019.


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New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art’s 2019 Costume Institute Gala - May 6, 2019.


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ColiBreh1 said:
To add context to these pics, Jamie & Katie were together inside last night's Met Ball event but not on the red carpet: https://people.com/style/met-gala-2019-jamie-foxx-katie-holmes-couple-debut/
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Foxx and Holmes didn't walk the red carpet of the 2019 Met Gala but they were found hand in hand and matching inside the event.
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Yeah, I figured they didn't walk the carpet. It would've been everywhere if they did!

Something tells me this is more proof she WANTS to be non-secretive with her man. Because this is the kind of event a woman would drag her man to. lol.
 
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