Romney gave millions to charity. Biden gave $369

Apparently you don't read too well. The fine lines between it all. A charitable offering is something that:

  • Doesn't require a percentage donation.
  • Aren't based on politics.
  • Aren't based on an ultimatum.

Part of the reason for the high rate of giving is Romney’s contributions to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, also known as the Mormon church. According to the church, members are expected to tithe 10 percent of their income. In Romney’s case, in 2010 he gave $1.5 million, closer to 7 percent of his adjusted gross income. In 2011, he gave $2.6 million, or 12.4 percent of his income.

But Romney and his wife also gave a considerable amount of money – some $1.5 million in 2010 and $500,000 in 2011 – to other charities, mainly through the Tyler Charitable Foundation, apparently named for a street Romney and his wife lived on in Belmont, Mass. In 2010, the foundation had more than $10 million in assets.

In 2010, the largest beneficiaries of the Tyler Charitable Foundation included the Mormon Church ($145,000), the Friends of George W. Bush Library ($100,000), and the Center for Treatment of Pediatric MS ($75,000). However, the foundation also made contributions to organizations including the US Equestrian Team Foundation ($10,000), Harvard Business School ($10,000), and Homes for Our Troops ($20,000).

In past years, some of Romney’s contributions have gone to conservative groups such as the Heritage Foundation, the Becket Fund (for religious rights legal aid), and the Federalist Society, which seeks reform of the current legal system. In 2007, he wrote a check to Citizens for Limited Taxation, a Marblehead, Mass., organization that strives to limit taxes and the size of government.

You're too quick to post a link (which I've already posted pages back) which supported that he hasn't really donated anything remotely charitable. All of those charitable contributions weren't really charitable to begin with. So, in essence, that $369 that Biden donated were actually for a cause to help someone, whereas Romney's contributions were political based, and weren't for anything of a social cause for individuals, like the poor.

Romney definitely donates a ton to the Mormon church but it looks like Romney also donates to others as well
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Electi...-high-charitable-giving-tied-to-Mormon-church

ANd yet Biden only donated 369 dollars and you folks have zero problem with it. Bwhahaha:smt081
 
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in essence, that $369 that Biden donated were actually for a cause to help someone, whereas Romney's contributions were political based, and weren't for anything of a social cause for individuals, like the poor.

Bwhahaha yeah that 369 dollars was waaaay more impressive:smt043 Probably helped out a couple of crackheads and thats it.
You libs are unreal.
 
And what has Romney contributed exactly for a good cause? And not simply donating to political groups? Come on...you should have an answer. But if this is the best you can do, then it's your loss.

Bwhahaha yeah that 369 dollars was waaaay more impressive:smt043 Probably helped out a couple of crackheads and thats it.
You libs are unreal.
 
Apparently you don't read too well. The fine lines between it all. A charitable offering is something that:

  • Doesn't require a percentage donation.
  • Aren't based on politics.
  • Aren't based on an ultimatum.



You're too quick to post a link (which I've already posted pages back) which supported that he hasn't really donated anything remotely charitable. All of those charitable contributions weren't really charitable to begin with. So, in essence, that $369 that Biden donated were actually for a cause to help someone, whereas Romney's contributions were political based, and weren't for anything of a social cause for individuals, like the poor.

Honestly I don't really see why this has to be explained.

A) He's a republican.
B) He's a Mormon.

Nothing about any of his actions should come as a shock and they certainly can not be justified based on what a good person he is.

He's basically give the largest portion of is "donation" to charity that gives back to the Mormon church. And a lot of the Mormon church donations go DIRECTLY to financing the Elder trips that they have to take and they are MANDATED by the church to take them. So that's not charity. That's making sure that their religion gets spread from one end of the world to the other.

If you want to call that charity, fine...so be it.

The catholic church does a lot of charity but they also hide priests who rape and violate altar boys.

It's suspect as to whether you can say that what they do that is actually helpful or beneficial is even remotely penence for where they fuck up as a whole.

A that goes to for all religions.
 
Yes, let's speak of character...

First, let me say....These people are not your neighbors down the street.

"With great power comes great responsibility"

“A leader leads by example, whether he intends to or not.”

"To whom much is given is much required."
[Luke 12:48]

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Biden Earned $21,000 Last Year From the Secret Service


by Keith Koffler on April 14, 2012


No, he’s not moonlighting as an agent.

Vice President Joe Biden last year earned $20,900 in rental income from the Secret Service, which is paying him to host agents on his property so they can protect him.

Most high-profile people in need of protection pay people to keep them safe.

Government officials are allowed to have taxpayers pick up the tab. Biden is unique in that he actually gets paid by his bodyguards for the right to protect him...(so not satisfied with getting protection FOR FREE, he's hustling to get PAID for the free service. Man, I tell ya..:-?)

Biden’s tax records list rental income of $20,900 from a “cottage” on is property, which is reportedly being leased by the Secret Service and paid for at a rate that could earn him even more money next year.

Biden took deductions for mortgage interest and taxes that allowed him to report only $12,653 of the amount on his federal tax return. <- (and still he's cashing in more..he doesn't even have to report the $8347 :-?.)


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Keep in mind, as VP, he receives an additional $50,000 non-taxable expense allowance to assist in defraying expenses relating to...his official duties.

On the flip-side, President Obama and Michelle, donated 22% of their income.

Average American gives: 3%.

Biden's gave 1.5%.

ICK.
 
Psssst. Quit hatin' just because you're mad that you don't have that Romney money........:p

Aw damn, you figured me out...I'm a money worshiping fool who believes that lots of cash makes somebody a superhero. :smt101


If it was Biden that donated a ton of money, you guys would be bowing down and kissing his shoes. Hypocrites.;)

Once again you don't know what the hell you're talking about.


You just know that if the roles were reversed and it was Romney that only donated 369 dollars, you guys would be giving him hell while praising Biden. Come on now dont lie

Honestly, no one would give a rat's ass. Just because you thought this lame ass topic was worthy of a thread, doesn't mean anyone else would.

Just because Romney is your hero for having a shitload of money & being a member of your political party, doesn't mean other people should be impressed by that shit.
 
No Andrae, he didn't. I don't care what Billy told you. Look it up.

Wrong guy boo lol.
I want to point out giving your money to "charity" doesn't always mean it was money given to people who need it. You can build a park across the street from Trump towers. Doesn't mean you're giving to the needy just providing little rich kids with more shit they won't appreciate.
 
I want to point out giving your money to "charity" doesn't always mean it was money given to people who need it. You can build a park across the street from Trump towers. Doesn't mean you're giving to the needy just providing little rich kids with more shit they won't appreciate.

It's not so much about Romney to me as it is Biden. They make over half a million dollars a year. At least be a tad more generous when so many of your constituents are struggling. He's living a privileged life when so many aren't, be thankful for that.

BTW, he didn't give $339 last year, so the OP title is somewhat misleading - he gave more last year, approx $5,000, but it equated to 1.5%. That's paltry. Americans look to their leader/s to set the examples, no? If I have only a dollar, Ill give a quarter to a homeless person. That's 25% of my stash.
 
Nope, I addressed the right guy- just wrong guy thought it, lol....note I quoted, and was speaking to andreboba. I no longer address you by your name since you told Mikey not to a while ago. :-?

But its cool. :cool:

Check the spelling and you'll see why I got confused kid.

I agree that it would be nice if they gave more but I do also allow for the fact he also has two kids and probably saves and invests for their futures as well. Private colleges aren't cheap and he doesn't make half a mill closer to a quarter of a mill which is a good amount of money but his gig isn't definite and like I said probably saves as much as he can. I know I would.
 
Check the spelling and you'll see why I got confused kid.

I agree that it would be nice if they gave more but I do also allow for the fact he also has two kids and probably saves and invests for their futures as well. Private colleges aren't cheap and he doesn't make half a mill closer to a quarter of a mill which is a good amount of money but his gig isn't definite and like I said probably saves as much as he can. I know I would.

I figured as smart as you say you are, you'd see it wasn't rocket-science that I was speaking to Andre, since his post sat one inch above the name. ;)

I meant to say almost half a million, not over. But I know it's not a quarter mill. When you factor in her salary and include his $60,000 expense allowance, they have a little over $400,000 combined.

Saving as much as he can? I doubt giving 3% is going to dent his saving. And once he hits the lecture circuit, look out.
 
I never paid much attention to what bush and "ishootmyfriendintheface" did charity wise while "ihad20coronariesby30" was VP but I'm sure that they weren't donating a large sum of income to charity. Funny how that's never been discussed. But what's good for the goose always gets the gander hung, right?

And lead by example? You're joking right?

Look at the 8 years before Obama and then I'll have that conversation.
 
I never paid much attention to what bush and "ishootmyfriendintheface" did charity wise while "ihad20coronariesby30" was VP but I'm sure that they weren't donating a large sum of income to charity. Funny how that's never been discussed. But what's good for the goose always gets the gander hung, right?

And lead by example? You're joking right?

Look at the 8 years before Obama and then I'll have that conversation.

I'm strictly talking donations here, oi. Heck no, I'm not co-signing my fake name to no 8 yrs of BULLSHIT, so you can miss me with all that.
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But seriously, not nice karma to knock people with weak hearts, least you cop one of your own, ya?

ps: ;)

Dick Cheney Donates Millions to Charity
2006

In one of the largest sums ever donated to charity by a U.S. public official,
Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife Lynne gave away nearly $7 million last year to help the poor and to medical research.

....The Cheneys gave more than three-quarters of their income - $6,869,655 - to several charities, including George Washington University's Cardiothoracic Institute and a charity for low-income high school students in the Washington, D.C. area, Capital Partners for Education....
 
Why am I 'defending' those blowhards...I can't stand Cheney or Bushwacker.

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..In 2009, the Obamas gave 5.9 percent of their income to charity, about the same as they gave in 2006 and 2007. In the eight years before he became president, Obama gave an average of 3.5 percent of his income to charity, upping that to 6.5 percent in 2008.

George W. Bush gave away more than 10 percent of his income each year he was president, as he did before becoming president.

Thus, in 2005, Obama gave about the same dollar amount to charity as President George Bush did, on an income of $1.7 million -- more than twice as much as President Bush's $735,180. Again in 2006, Bush gave more to charity than Obama on an income one-third smaller than Obama's.

In the decade before Joe Biden became vice president, the Bidens gave a total -- all 10 years combined -- of $3,690 to charity, or 0.2 percent of their income. They gave in a decade what most Americans in their tax bracket give in an average year....

Of course, even in Biden's stingiest years, he gave more to charity than Sen. John Kerry did in 1995, which was a big fat goose egg. Kerry did, however, spend half a million dollars on a 17th-century Dutch seascape painting that year, as Peter Schweizer reports in his 2008 book, "Makers and Takers."

To be fair, 1995 was an off-year for Kerry's charitable giving. The year before, he gave $2,039 to charity, and the year before that a staggering $175.He also dropped a $5 bill in the Salvation Army pail.

In 1998, Al Gore gave $353 to charity...That was 10 percent of the national average for charitable giving by people in the $100,000-$200,000 income bracket. Gore was at the very top of that bracket, with an income of $197,729.

When Sen. Ted Kennedy released his tax returns to run for president in the '70s, they showed that Kennedy gave a bare 1 percent of his income to charity -- or, as Schweizer says, "about as much as Kennedy claimed as a write-off on his 50-foot sailing sloop Curragh." (Cash tips to bartenders and cocktail waitresses are not considered charitable donations.)

The Democratic base gives to charity as their betters do. At the same income, a single mother on welfare is seven times less likely to give to charity than a working poor family that attends religious services.

In 2006 and 2007, John McCain, who files separately from his rich wife, gave 27.3 percent and 28.6 percent of his income to charity.
 

So basically this is trying to say that a party that is notorious for wanting to cut aid to the poor are giving at points almost 30 percent of their income?

I don't buy it for a second.

Unless its a matter of; "well my money's my money so I can give lots of it away but tax payers money? How dare we spend it on seniors who need 14 types of medication"

If they can't be free with other peoples money they won't be free with their own.

UNLESS somehow they think that giving money away will benefit them more than the poor the money goes too
 
So basically this is trying to say that a party that is notorious for wanting to cut aid to the poor are giving at points almost 30 percent of their income?

I don't buy it for a second.

Unless its a matter of; "well my money's my money so I can give lots of it away but tax payers money? How dare we spend it on seniors who need 14 types of medication"

If they can't be free with other peoples money they won't be free with their own.

UNLESS somehow they think that giving money away will benefit them more than the poor the money goes too

You don't buy what - public tax records?

I don't disagree entirely with your last line - that might surely motivate some people, though not all. Bill Gates I feel gives billions away to help he poor because he believes it does help them.

Now, if you feel the party notorious for cutting spending to the poor don't want to give their own money away - then it stands to reason that the party notorious for giving away taxpayers money to the poor are freely giving their own money away, right? So show us.


*ps: (LOL @ 'those freely spending your money are the same with their own'. Can you say, the opposite. Why spend mine..when I can spend yours.)

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You don't buy what - public tax records?

I don't disagree entirely with your last line - that might surely motivate some people, though not all. Bill Gates I feel gives billions away to help he poor because he believes it does help them.

If you feel the party notorious for cutting spending to the poor don't want to give their own money away - then it stands to reason that the party notorious for giving away taxpayers money to the poor are freely giving their own money away, right? So show me.


*ps: (LOL @ 'those freely spending your money are the same with their own'. Can you say, the opposite. Why spend mine..when I can spend yours.)
Fair enough.

I'm not arguing that they don't give at all. I'm sure they do. I sure as fuck ain't rich and I give what little I can when I can.

But here's the thing, and it addresses the gates issue as well.

Personally, I don't see the big hairy balls deal about money. Its nice to have extra here and there and it's sucks to really need more of it than you have ATM.
But it's fucking money. Green little pieces of paper with dead prezzies on it. And yet people (even poor people) act like its the end all be all of all existence. Fucking paper?
Come on now. It's been forever since I studied the bible but I KNOW it covers the topic of being spiritually poor. Therefore...all these things about Romney giving away millions because he's Mormon and that makes him great is bullshit. His money is his god. It's his status. It's who HE is. How can I know?

Well, you will know them by their works? Right? Something like that.
So when you have someone who has billions of dollars but doesn't do what they can to REALLY change things with it. Just tosses a couple mill here or there from time to time...and when you look at his platform? Yuck. He may have a lot of money but spiritually he's broke as fuck. And it ain't gunna help him when he dies. The SPIRIT of Jesus is about compassion. Helping your own ain't it. Hating on women ain't it. Killing Muslims ain't it. Spending the amount of money that we do everythree days on defense while letting people die bc we can't fund research ain't fucking it.

But whatever. I'm sure iggy or James or paniro will come along shortly and tell me I'm just jeoulous cuz I aint rich.

As if.
 
Fair enough.

I'm not arguing that they don't give at all. I'm sure they do. I sure as fuck ain't rich and I give what little I can when I can.

But here's the thing, and it addresses the gates issue as well.

Personally, I don't see the big hairy balls deal about money. Its nice to have extra here and there and it's sucks to really need more of it than you have ATM.
But it's fucking money. Green little pieces of paper with dead prezzies on it. And yet people (even poor people) act like its the end all be all of all existence. Fucking paper?
Come on now. It's been forever since I studied the bible but I KNOW it covers the topic of being spiritually poor. Therefore...all these things about Romney giving away millions because he's Mormon and that makes him great is bullshit. His money is his god. It's his status. It's who HE is. How can I know?

Well, you will know them by their works? Right? Something like that.
So when you have someone who has billions of dollars but doesn't do what they can to REALLY change things with it. Just tosses a couple mill here or there from time to time...and when you look at his platform? Yuck. He may have a lot of money but spiritually he's broke as fuck. And it ain't gunna help him when he dies. The SPIRIT of Jesus is about compassion. Helping your own ain't it. Hating on women ain't it. Killing Muslims ain't it. Spending the amount of money that we do everythree days on defense while letting people die bc we can't fund research ain't fucking it.

But whatever. I'm sure iggy or James or paniro will come along shortly and tell me I'm just jeoulous cuz I aint rich.

As if.

I don't disagree with you at all. I personally can't co-sign with his stances. I'm not even focused on him as I am disappointed in Biden. Put your money where your mouth is, VP!

I don't want to be rich - mo money mo problems. I just want to win the lotto so I can give it to the desperate in need and the animals. Live in a big house or buy a med house and a sanctuary for the abused and discarded? - hmmm, so hard deciding - not.

ps: I don't know how you can speak of Jesus and then berate Romney for "helping his own" (whatever that really even means)- when Mormons believe in Jesus. Is he not doing the work of Jesus by giving, tithing, etc.? IDK.
 
I don't disagree with you at all. I personally can't co-sign with his stances. I'm not even focused on him as I am disappointed in Biden. Put your money where your mouth is, VP!

I don't want to be rich - mo money mo problems. I just want to win the lotto so I can give it to the desperate in need and the animals. Live in a big house or buy a med house and a sanctuary for the abused and discarded? - hmmm, so hard deciding - not.

ps: I don't know how you can speak of Jesus and then berate Romney for "helping his own" (whatever that really even means)- when Mormons believe in Jesus. Is he not doing the work of Jesus by giving, tithing, etc.? IDK.

My point about the Jesus thing was that it's not really a Christian stance to only help the people of your church. By helping his own I meant specifically that the largest share of his money went to/back to the Mormon church.

There is nothing wrong with helping your own. But if you only help the Mormon church based on the fact that your Mormon or deny help to those who don't believe the same tenants as you..I'm saying that in the "spirit" of what christ came to teach that doesn't really fit. The word Christianity mean to follow in the footsteps of Christ. I believe he railed against the overly rich and powerful and had compassion on the outcast.
 
My point about the Jesus thing was that it's not really a Christian stance to only help the people of your church. By helping his own I meant specifically that the largest share of his money went to/back to the Mormon church.

There is nothing wrong with helping your own. But if you only help the Mormon church based on the fact that your Mormon or deny help to those who don't believe the same tenants as you..I'm saying that in the "spirit" of what christ came to teach that doesn't really fit. The word Christianity mean to follow in the footsteps of Christ. I believe he railed against the overly rich and powerful and had compassion on the outcast.

That's the thing Ali, you say all kinds of stuff, but you never bother to research if what you say is true or not. I keep showing you otherwise and you then move the goal posts to something else.

Who sits there and makes a statement that a church only helps its own. C'mon now, I wouldn't even entertain that thought cause I's know that is the most improbable thing a church would ever do.


Of course, right?


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U.S. Navy sailors from the HSV-2 Swift
move more than 100 tons of humanitarian
aid to the pier at Beirut, Lebanon during the
2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict.
Over two million dollars worth of humanitarian aid
was donated by the LDS Church, and was disbursed
to Lebanese citizens in coordination with the
International Islamic Relief Organization
.



...The LDS Church considers humanitarian work to be an essential part of its mission to bless all humanity in emulation of Jesus Christ “who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed” (Acts10:38 )...

The organization’s stated mission is to relieve suffering, to foster self-reliance for families of all nationalities and religions, and to provide opportunities for service.

From 1985 - 2009, $327.6 million in cash and $884.6 million in commodities of aid was given throughout 178 countries.



As the program has grown, the welfare efforts of the LDS Church have expanded to help people around the world regardless of religion, race, or nationality. LDS Humanitarian Services was created to coordinate these efforts in partnership with government and other nonprofit agencies around the world. The top humanitarian initiatives include clean water, vision treatment, wheelchair provision, neonatal resuscitation, and disaster relief. Other initiatives include immunizations, family enrichment programs, and family food production. In 2008, LDS Humanitarian Services provided aid to 3.3 million people in 122 countries, and since 1985 help has been given to 23 million people in 163 nations. All of these initiatives, as well as support and advice on personal and community preparation for disasters can be found on the LDS Church’s Provident Living website.

All of the funding for LDS Humanitarian Services comes from the philanthropic support of the LDS Church’s members and other donors. Donations to the Humanitarian Fund are collected through local bishops and through LDS Philanthropies.

LDS Humanitarian Initiatives

Emergency Response is the part of the LDS Church’s humanitarian efforts of which most people are aware
. Funds and supplies in this area are used to help victims of natural disasters such as earthquakes, floods, droughts, tornadoes, and hurricanes, as well as other disasters such as wars or political unrest. Supplies in this area are gathered and stored before a crisis so supplies can be sent literally within hours of an emergency. Volunteers are also on call so if they are needed they can be reached and organized within a few hours. The LDS Church is renowned for its ability to organize its members in various regions of the world to respond to emergency and facilitate distributing goods immediately after a crisis, often before aid programs such as the Red Cross or the Salvation Army come to assist. In 2008, the LDS Church responded to 124 disasters in 48 countries.

Wheelchair Distribution is another program of the LDS Church crucial to helping those in need. Studies estimate that only one percent of the disabled in the world have wheelchairs. For the rest, being without a wheelchair means for adults that they can not provide for themselves or their families, and for children it often means not being able to attend school. By providing wheelchairs to those in need, the LDS Church hopes to help people become more self-reliant which is an important tenant of LDS beliefs.

The Clean Water Service provides clean water and wells to people who otherwise would most likely contract deadly diseases because of the dirty water. It is estimated that one billion people lack clean water. The clean water program is designed to partner with local community agencies to provide sustainable clean water.

The Neonatal Resuscitation program sends doctors and volunteers to areas where infant mortality rate is high. They are able to teach people in the area how to resuscitate newborns as well as provide simple medical equipment. This service is greatly needed as it is estimated that nearly 1 million newborns die each year due to birth difficulties. Up to 10% of newborns have breathing difficulties.

The Vision Treatment Training program teaches facilities and medical personnel in developing countries how to treat preventable or reversible blindness. There are 37 million people in the world who are blind, and up to 75 % of blindness is treatable. The vision care program works with local vision health care centers to help treat and prevent blindness for the poor.


In addition to these efforts, the LDS Church also has over 300 job development and placement centers around the world. In 2001, the LDS Church began the Perpetual Education Fund which provides money to cover tuition and other school expenses to people in developing nations. As of 2007, tens of thousands of individuals had been given assistance. So far this program has operated primarily in South America and Oceana. The LDS Church has also begun producing a nutrition-rich porridge named Atmit to help during acute famines. The LDS Church Welfare program owns farms, ranches, canneries, and other food producing facilities to provide temporary food relief for families and individuals. LDS Humanitarian Services frequently works with other charities and NGOs such as the Red Cross, Catholic charities and even various Islamic charities for which the LDS Church has produced halaal food.


These couples are retired members of the LDS Church who devote six months to two years of their time to go anywhere in the world, typically at their own expense, to participate in these projects. Because of this volunteer force, the LDS Church is able to use 100 percent of money and goods donated in helping those in need. These missionaries often serve in activities related to their former profession.
Doctors and nurses will serve medical missions either in the Neonatal Resuscitation programs or special missions to countries in need of dentists, eye doctors, surgeons and so forth. People with agricultural or engineering backgrounds will serve on the clean water initiative or else help farmers in developing countries.

Other members who are still working and raising families frequently donate time, money, and in-kind donations to help in these ventures. Members can volunteer at local canneries and farms to help produce food for the needy.

They can volunteer to create the medical kits needed for doctors and new mothers in developing nations and many help make blankets for needy families. Many of these local initiatives are organized by the Relief Society. This volunteer force allows the LDS Church to reduce operating expenses and serve more people with their resources.

Respectfully, I'm done doing your work, Ali. Your turn - if you want to make claims, prove it.
 
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