Robert Smith is my god***m hero!

*Yawn*

 

There has always been a public option so people - even without, don't die.

As for private insurance, Nope. Not under Bernie's "lm a Socialist"'' plan.

Sanders’s single-payer proposal would create a universal Medicare program that covers all American residents in one government-run health plan. ( think, The V.A).
It would bar employers from offering separate plans that compete with this new, government-run option.

It would largely sunset Medicare and Medicaid, transitioning their enrollees into the new universal plan. It would, however, allow two existing health systems to continue to operate as they do now: the Veterans Affairs health system and the Indian Health Services.

Full article:
https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/18304448/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all
Bernie Sanders’s Medicare-for-all plan, explained

 

Nothing about economics in this post at all. You don't even know enough to refute my points

 

Why are we still talking „socialist“. I still don’t agree with the way you guys use those terms, as I explained above. Which countries exactly are the „socialist countries“ that are privatising healthcare?

 

Ok if you say so

 

You guys have a socialist style education system even tho your economy is not a socialist one. If you don't like the word socialist then why do you refer to your economy as "Democratic socialist?" Blame Germany for their choice of words.

 

That's a fact. Read your post again. You said nothing about economics to even argue back. Go ahead and roll out. You are a layperson to the subject.

 

Sure

 

Social democracy it’s called. Your education system is also subsidised, just not up to tertiary education.

 

That's because it makes sense to subsidise K-12 grade. We can subsidise it and still guarantee that everyone will still have access to high school. Can you guys guarantee that everyone will have access to college? No because people get rejected.

 

But why do they get rejected and if we expand it to community college as well people have an opportunity to level up gradually if they aren't ready for a 4 year school after hs

 

Because there is a natural shortage there. If you don't let the market determine the limits the limits will still exist and people will get rejected.

Find your fictional case where this doesn't happen.

 

That’s a different story altogether. We are still talking of the word „socialist“ now. So your education system is socialist till end of high school and then capitalist for college, according to your wording. Then you also have a half “socialist“ education system. But „socialism“ is much more than that.

 

Semantics isn't important in systems. Functionality is what matters.

 

We are discussing politics so the meaning of political terms should be important. Socialism is a fixed concept in political science. And by the way even in true socialist countries people were getting rejected from university. Do you think in the GDR or CSSR every last high school graduate went to university? That’s why I keep saying social and socialist is not the same.

 

But the market isn't determining the limits artificial costs are. We are losing talent that would have gone to college because of the inflation of college. There isn't true supply and demand going on.

 

You are blind as a bat.

The limit will exist no matter what we do. The conversation is about what mechanism do we allow to fill up the seats.

We are going to run out of space no matter what we do.

 

Oh and by the way there are difference health care systems across Europe. They don’t all work the same. In Germany for instance health care isn’t free, it’s just that contribution is income-based, kind of like taxes. In other words, you earn more, you pay more. If you are unemployed you can still get basic insurance and pay the minimum amount of around 185€ per month. Employed people pay half of actual cost, employer pays the other half. So nothing is free, it’s just that people don’t get excluded.

 

That's because health care has an inelastic demand therefore market forces aren't quite as relevant. Example

If I sell BMW's that have a market value of 60,000. If I lower the price to 20,000. You think I'm gonna sell more? Of course. How about 5,000. If I lower the price to 1 ,000. Damn near everyone will try to buy one. Even if they have 5 cars already.

What about to toliet tissue? If I lower the price by 60 percent are you gonna by the whole rack? What about percent 80? You gonna fill your house up with it? Why not? You use it as much as anyone else?

It has an inelastic demand that's why. Same as healthcare. That's why I agree with socializing healthcare. People won't have to be rejected.

 

I’m sure that’d be very beneficial to American society. The US has the worst maternal-fetal mortality rate of all industrialised nations and that of black women of course x times worse.