TRUMP Thread

[goodlove]

And it's all driven by...you guessed it. Capitalists.

There u go.

 

[Bliss]

This is a disgrace, but trust me, it's no mistake. The firms exploiting this are the ones who lobbyied for it.

Agree completely.

You have to go after the people at the top.

Which, believe it or not, Trump is lasering in on (of course he is not going to win anything), but he keeps gunning for Mexico's president with a $100,000 fine for every illegal he willfully sends here.
Trump actually isn't targeting the illegal worker, but the politicians encouraging this. It would be nice if our President did that.

 

[Bliss]

Exactly. Its in the other links i posted that is similar to this. Im not overly worried about just the illegals ....its the whole thing. They are playing "look at the mexicans...the illegals" but then they do an end a round with the white collar jibs that bring in the big bucks.

Anyone against illegal immigration should be including all walks of life. I always have, don't care if you're Chinese, Indians, Russian, Greek, Nigerian....geeze, if you only knew how thorough you are investigated before being bestowed the honor to live here. I'll never take it for granted and will fight for all those doing it the legal, honest, RESPECTFUL way. I hate line jumpers and law flouters.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

Agree completely.

You have to go after the people at the top.

Which, believe it or not, Trump is lasering in on (of course he is not going to win anything), but he keeps gunning for Mexico's president with a $100,000 fine for every illegal he willfully sends here.
Trump actually isn't targeting the illegal worker, but the politicians encouraging this. It would be nice if our President did that.

Of course he isn't because Trump loves his dirt-cheap labor whether it's here or abroad:

He can talk noise about China and Mexico until he's blue in the face. Like Orejon said, the key is to keep employers here from hiring anyone here illegally...but that would mean actually having to pay people more. We need stronger labor laws and regulations, first and foremost.

 

[archangel]

Why not? It's the law. In fact, you will not be issued a card by DHS/INS unless you agree to that. You promised that at any time a law enforcement or immigration officer asked you to produce your ID, you wil. I signed it. Every legal imigrant did, too. It's part of the privilege to live here.

It is not the law in Texas or Ohio.
There are several states that do not do stop and ID.

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This is how the police treat black people just because they look the same because we all look the same to some people.

I don't understand how you don't get what minorities go through. You are on a site that a large portion of people are minorities. It is like you don't hang around people of different race and not seen how the police treat some of the people. It is like you live in an ideal world where it is just oh the police are not going to misuse that power. Just because it is the law does not mean that the police will not use that law to target and suppress people of different races than them. Minorities have been on the receiving end of this one too many times. If you don't understand that, then you really are going to have issues with relating to a black man let alone dating them.

To tie it back to immigration, the police will as we have seen in the pass misuse their power on people who are legal but look "illegal" or sound "illegal". Lots of legal minorities aren't treated fairly because they aren't the same as the majority. We seen a man running from a cop and gunned down in cold blood then frame the guy about a tazer. To add another layer of reason to persecute minorities because the police officer feels that they are illegal or thinks they are illegal. That is it.

It is bad enough as a black man, I'm walking down the street and some cop stops me because he thinks I am up to no good but to add another layer of police that may come at my family who are all legal because they sound illegal. That is a line. TDK is going to understand where I am coming from about the stop and id. I think it is because he understand what it is like.

To be clear, I am against illegal immigration. I am also against stop and id because the police have used this numerous times against American born minorities. It should be struck down in any state. The police must have seen a reasonable crime committed or investigating a crime at which time must tell the person of this crime so that the person act accordingly to protect themselves for being a victim of said crime.

 

[orejon4]

Agree completely.

You have to go after the people at the top.

Which, believe it or not, Trump is lasering in on (of course he is not going to win anything), but he keeps gunning for Mexico's president with a $100,000 fine for every illegal he willfully sends here.
Trump actually isn't targeting the illegal worker, but the politicians encouraging this. It would be nice if our President did that.

Politicians have limited power to stem the flow. Even in East Germany, where they shot those attempting to leave, people left regardless. When Castro tried to do that, people still left in droves, risking their lives. Haitians come to FL on inner tube rafts if they have to. Businesses are to blame. If there are no jobs for them, they won't come.

Of course he isn't because Trump loves his dirt-cheap labor whether it's here or abroad:

He can talk noise about China and Mexico until he's blue in the face. Like Orejon said, the key is to keep employers here from hiring anyone here illegally...but that would mean actually having to pay people more. We need stronger labor laws and regulations, first and foremost.

Oh the irony. This is sweeter than gooey butter cake.

Trump and crew want to keep the focus on "crooked/unethical politicans" rather than squarely where it should be - on the capitalists. They own the means of production, they make the hiring decisions, they purchase control of the governmental apparatus, and yet they want us warring with other poor folk.

It's a species of the same demagoguery they use to distract the white working class and focus their anger against us.

 

[archangel]

Nice try. The sanctuary was voted in last year. Mayor Nutter was voted in 3 years prior to it.

so basically the citizens voted in a Mayor that is for sanctuaries.....


The joke isn't on me. I don't live in a sanctuary city.:mrgreen:

My point was that citizens have a will and clearly that will(through direct or indirect) is to be a sanctuary. Those who do not want it to be don't care enough to do something(meaning the actions to stop the city from not being a sanctuary was and still remains to be ineffective)

 

[archangel]

This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants.

This is a legal issue that I was aware of 3 years ago which is why I decided to leave the tech world. Microsoft and all the big corporations are the ones who rallied behind this. The loophole is there because of them. This is not in connection to people coming here illegally. This is a whole other issue that really deserves it's own thread but there is far few and between of us in the tech world to talk about it on the forum. Not to mention there isn't enough care in congress to do anything about it.
If you look in the academic world, you will see the same problem but that is a whole other discussion that would probably last maybe one page with no results....

GL and Arch, here is the story on the visa l mentioned earlier..gotta fix this (illegal) loophole...Jobs ARE being stolen.

http://www.newsmax.com/t/#!newsmax/article/626335

Thousands of California Workers Lose Jobs to H-1B Visa Immigrants

By Courtney Coren
Monday, 23 Feb 2015 12:19 PM

Southern California Edison has laid off thousands of its IT employees and replaced them with lower-paid workers from India with H-1B visas.

The electric company, which provides services to almost 14 million customers in the Southern California region, was able to do this because of a loophole in the nation's immigration law, the Los Angeles Times is reporting.

The immigration statute Southern California Edison has been able to exploit allows the company to hire employees with H-1B visas. These are temporary work permits, which are given to foreigners who have "specialty occupations" that require "highly specialized knowledge" and a bachelor's degree.

While the purpose of the H-1B visas is to allow employers to hire foreigners for positions in which they can't find enough sufficiently trained American workers, it is not supposed to be used to hire cheaper labor from other countries, as is the case with Southern California Edison, the Times is reporting.

"Americans should be outraged that most of our politicians sit idly by while outsourcing firms hijack the nation’s temporary foreign worker programs," according to Ron Hira of The Economic Policy Institute at Howard University.

"A majority of H-1B visas are now being used by firms that displace American workers and facilitate the offshoring of high-wage jobs," he added.

According to Hira, hiring Indian IT employees via outsourcing allows the electric company to save as much as 40 percent in wage costs.

Edison's American employees earned $80,000 to $160,000 per year, not including benefits. The average salary for experienced workers is about $120,000 per year.
The Indian workers make $65,000 to $71,000 per year, accord to the tax filings of the Indian outsourcing firms, Tata Consultancy Services and Infosys, providing labor to Edison. Those two firms are among the largest recipients of H-1B visas.

"They told us they could replace one of us with three, four, or five Indian personnel and still save money," one laid-off Edison worker told The Times.

"They said, 'We can get four Indian guys for cheaper than the price of you.' You could hear a pin drop in the room," the worker added.

In addition, the laid-off workers argue that their jobs aren't that specialized to justify the hiring of foreign labor.

According to the Times, Edison argues that it's not exploiting the law because its not the one hiring the foreign workers, but that the outsourcing companies are doing the hiring.

Both companies have faced legal scrutiny in the past, although they deny any wrongdoing. Tata faced a class-action lawsuit by workers, alleging that the firm cheated them out of their wages and U.S. tax refund checks, which was settled in 2013 for $29.8 million.

Infosys was fined $34 million by the Justice Department over allegedly defrauding immigration officials.

According to ComputerWorld, the Senate has taken notice of the Edison layoffs.

Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions, chairman of the Senate Immigration Subcommittee, mentioned the layoffs in a speech in early February criticizing H-1B visas. In that speech, he said that Edison is hiring "foreign employees who have come in under the H-1B visa program for the sole purpose of taking a job ... and they work for less pay too often."

Sessions says that President Barack Obama wants to double the number of H-1B visas, which the Alabama Republican says is already "a growing problem in the high-tech industry."

*Computer World also did a story on it
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...rs-beyond-furious-over-h-1b-replacements.html

 

[Peach State Scholar]

Trump and crew want to keep the focus on "crooked/unethical politicans" rather than squarely where it should be - on the capitalists. They own the means of production, they make the hiring decisions, they purchase control of the governmental apparatus, and yet they want us warring with other poor folk.

It's a species of the same demagoguery they use to distract the white working class and focus their anger against us.

It's like Lyndon Johnson once said: "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Those words are as true in 2015 as they were when they were spoken over 50 years ago, if not more so.

 

[archangel]

I'm just adding on to what you posted

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Typical talk from people at the top hiring indirectly illegal immigrants.

Of course he isn't because Trump loves his dirt-cheap labor whether it's here or abroad:

He can talk noise about China and Mexico until he's blue in the face. Like Orejon said, the key is to keep employers here from hiring anyone here illegally...but that would mean actually having to pay people more. We need stronger labor laws and regulations, first and foremost.

 

[orejon4]

It's like Lyndon Johnson once said: "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

Those words are as true in 2015 as they were when they were spoken over 50 years ago, if not more so.

Let the church say "Amen".

 

[Bliss]

so basically the citizens voted in a Mayor that is for sanctuaries.....


The joke isn't on me. I don't live in a sanctuary city.:mrgreen:

My point was that citizens have a will and clearly that will(through direct or indirect) is to be a sanctuary. Those who do not want it to be don't care enough to do something(meaning the actions to stop the city from not being a sanctuary was and still remains to be ineffective)

Hardly a joke on us when we had a serial rapist in Philly...Who got sanctuary here..
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nt-charged-with-rape-while-in-sanct/?page=all

Arch, why don't American citizen criminals get sanctuary in their own cities?

 

[archangel]

Hardly a joke on us when we had a serial rapist in Philly...Who got sanctuary here..
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...nt-charged-with-rape-while-in-sanct/?page=all

Arch, why don't American citizen criminals get sanctuary in their own cities?

There is a problem with that comment as far as I can tell. You have to be an illegal immigrant and last I checked American citizens are not illegal immigrants.

That being said if I am wrong about how sanctuary city works( I have no idea, I don't live in one)

Why doesn't your city just vote in someone in like they did the sanctuary? It seems you guys like voting in folks who like sanctuaries.

 

[orejon4]

I'm just adding on to what you posted

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Typical talk from people at the top hiring indirectly illegal immigrants.

That's why they love those subcontractor relationships. They get to cost-cut until the cows come home and absolve themselves of any responsibility for the outcomes.

Well, according to the Chief...

 

[Bliss]

Why doesn't your city just vote in someone in like they did the sanctuary? It seems you guys like voting in folks who like sanctuaries.

Lmao...Our newest mayor...is the farthest leftist liftie of the left..He'll probably open every jail cell in my city
.and your city, their city, everyone's city.

 

[andreboba]

Lmao...Our newest mayor...is the farthest leftist liftie of the left..He'll probably open every jail cell in my city
.and your city, their city, everyone's city.

LOL.

People can keep pretending Trump can't get elected.
But I think people are going to be surprised in the first GOP primary debate.

Trump may not be a career politician and know the details on every policy issue, but his is smart and quick on his feet.

He'll have more applause lines than any other GOP presidential contender.

 

[orejon4]

LOL.

People can keep pretending Trump can't get elected.
But I think people are going to be surprised in the first GOP primary debate.

Trump may not be a career politician and know the details on every policy issue, but his is smart and quick on his feet.

He'll have more applause lines than any other GOP presidential contender.

I agree. It's dangerous to underestimate the extent to which workers can be demagogued, especially when the demagoguery has an ethnic or nationalist component.

 

[goodlove]

Anyone against illegal immigration should be including all walks of life. I always have, don't care if you're Chinese, Indians, Russian, Greek, Nigerian....geeze, if you only knew how thorough you are investigated before being bestowed the honor to live here. I'll never take it for granted and will fight for all those doing it the legal, honest, RESPECTFUL way. I hate line jumpers and law flouters.

Yeah. The other bad thing, i heard , that it takes about 10000 to get started to become a citizen thats not including the "grease my palms" money

 

[orejon4]

Yeah. The other bad thing, i heard , that it takes about 10000 to get started to become a citizen thats not including the "grease my palms" money

If you have $100K to invest, you can get a visa expedited because of a clause specifically allowing immigration that enhances investment and economic activity. No palm-greasing required.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

Lmao...Our newest mayor...is the farthest leftist liftie of the left..He'll probably open every jail cell in my city
.and your city, their city, everyone's city.

LOL.

People can keep pretending Trump can't get elected.
But I think people are going to be surprised in the first GOP primary debate.

Trump may not be a career politician and know the details on every policy issue, but his is smart and quick on his feet.

He'll have more applause lines than any other GOP presidential contender.

I agree. It's dangerous to underestimate the extent to which workers can be demagogued, especially when the demagoguery has an ethnic or nationalist component.

I guess I'm the only person that sees Chump Trump getting his ass handed to him by the more seasoned candidates. I still say that Cruz, Paul, Huckabee, etc. are all better suited to a debate than he is. It almost makes me want to put some money on it lol.