Trayvon Martin's Murder

The Dark King said:
Its not about a matter of respect its just a difference of opinions and like usual conservatives usually lash out when their opinions aren't supported.
I hear what you're saying in regards to there not being enough evidence to convict on murder 2 but your boy Stumper is making Zimmerman seem like a guy who was minding is own business until some thug rolled up on him and now the "liberal media" is messing with him. That's where we differ
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Hey! We have had our differences for sure.

But I so love you for this.

You rock.
 
Tamstrong said:
TBH, it's not really about him respecting me. My point was that if he can get to that point with me after the times we butted heads over differences, he can do the same where others are concerned. He doesn't seem to get (or maybe he doesn't care) that his behavior isn't doing him any favors.
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I understand, but moderators deserve respect for their position as moderator, whether he/she is personally liked or respected. But if not given, then perhaps it's due to the bolded reason.
 
The Dark King said:
Its not about a matter of respect its just a difference of opinions and like usual conservatives usually lash out when their opinions aren't supported.
I hear what you're saying in regards to there not being enough evidence to convict on murder 2 but your boy Stumper is making Zimmerman seem like a guy who was minding is own business until some thug rolled up on him and now the "liberal media" is messing with him. That's where we differ
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It's not just the conservatives that lash out, my dear. In fact, most of this forum is liberal - and there's been a whole lotta lashing out around here as long as I've been here...can't only be us conservatives.
 
Stumper said:
How can you measure me "personally" taking a stake in Zimmermans innocence through a forum? If you'd read through my posts, you'd see that I don't give a damn if Z is innocent or guilty. In FACT, I've said I believe Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter, and the States Attorney shouldve went after that instead of Murder 2. 10 year prison sentence for Z....minimum.

What I do get mad at are the race hustlers in the black community, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Ben Crump (Martins family attorney) who prey on the uneducated negro to line their pockets. This case NEVER had anything to do with race. Z didn't profile Martin, Z didn't go out and purposely make sure that one less black kid was in the world. It was a case of two frightened people who overreacted and something tragic happened. Yet these "black leaders" would make you believe that this happens everyday. And Tiwana Brawley and the Duke Lacrosse team is swept under the rug.

What should be about race is the Sanford Police department, who didn't dutifully follow responsiblities. Instead, the media, and almost everyone on this board was duped by the media into railroading Zimmerman, and painting him as some homicidal racist.

I wish people would freaking THINK about things, and understand that what is presented is not always how things are...
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I'm just telling you how your posts come across to me. You come across as extremely emotional, which indicates to me that it's something personal to you. If you say that's not the case, then you answered my question.

It's not fair for you assume that those of us who believe race is a huge factor in this case are a bunch "hive-minded sheep" jumping on the media "race hustler" bandwagon. IMO, which I formed on my own BTW, it had a great deal to do with race. If your opinion is that race was not a factor, that's your prerogative. Just because we don't agree, doesn't mean we can't disagree respectfully.
 
Beasty said:
People making a issue out of the video are just silly or out of touch. With that goes down in high school, puberty, envy, cliques, parting, drugs, sex, lack of privacy, teen rebellion ect. When you account for all the extra vigor that young people have, are we really surprised than teenagers fight in high school?? How the hell are you going to reason with some of the teens going through so many changes in life coupled with their imperfect homes? Hey man lets talk about it?? GTFOOH. If you don't knock some of these dudes the fuck out then you will have every testosterone driven teen kicking your ass every day. That is certainly how I remember high school anyway. Its almost like what they say about jail. If you are a punk, you will have a hard way to go.
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I agree with you, however it would be disingenuous of us to ignore unfavorable facts from the other side, then we look silly, particularly when the Defense puts on its case and some of this may come out. We know Trayvon got into trouble at school, it's why his mother sent him to stay with his dad, because of his suspension. His older brother Stephen apparently also got on Tray in a tweet 5 days before his death, for taking a swing at a bus driver.

If we think his Defense aren't going to attempt call these witnesses, we may be in a rude awakening. U cant deny ANY history of physical altercations if there were some, then have the Defense attempt to ambush...u have to preemptively acknowledge and explain them. You actually say it well - like you say many kids get into scuffles. Andreboba said he also might take a swing in the same situation, too. And like I asked Arch, are u gonna turn your back on someone following u - hell no, he had the kid cornered. Fight or flight, right?

So even if(assuming) Tray did take a swing, it's ONLY because he was ambushed by Zimmerman. The jury need to understand, the kid was terrified...and impressed upon to understand the fear a Black teen may feel if a larger WM is obviously tailing him! That every punch Tray threw was in self-defense, whether he threw the first one, or the last one, or the most ones. He was fighting for his life. Not Zimmerman.
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
I understand, but moderators deserve respect for their position as moderator, whether he/she is personally liked or respected. But if not given, then perhaps it's due to the bolded reason.
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Yeah, that's most likely the reason. He's notorious for this kind of behavior.
 
Stumper said:
How can you measure me "personally" taking a stake in Zimmermans innocence through a forum? If you'd read through my posts, you'd see that I don't give a damn if Z is innocent or guilty. In FACT, I've said I believe Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter, and the States Attorney shouldve went after that instead of Murder 2. 10 year prison sentence for Z....minimum.

What I do get mad at are the race hustlers in the black community, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Ben Crump (Martins family attorney) who prey on the uneducated negro to line their pockets. This case NEVER had anything to do with race. Z didn't profile Martin, Z didn't go out and purposely make sure that one less black kid was in the world. It was a case of two frightened people who overreacted and something tragic happened. Yet these "black leaders" would make you believe that this happens everyday. And Tiwana Brawley and the Duke Lacrosse team is swept under the rug.

What should be about race is the Sanford Police department, who didn't dutifully follow responsiblities. Instead, the media, and almost everyone on this board was duped by the media into railroading Zimmerman, and painting him as some homicidal racist.

I wish people would freaking THINK about things, and understand that what is presented is not always how things are...
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Two frightened people??

C'mon man, seriously. Trayvon was the frightened one.. how could he not be? He wasn't from that neighborhood! But GZ lived there. Who was the more comfortable?
GZ had a gun, Trayvon didn't. He had skittles, a drink his cell and $40 in his pocket. Maybe he felt he was about to be robbed by GZ? BM get stuck up all the time.

GZ wasn't frightened. He was too juiced on his own adrenalin that he was about to possibly make a citizens arrest to hand over to the cops (aren't I amazing police, I want to be one of you one day, you know), and be the local hero on the block which would solidify his delusions of superhero NHW captain.
 
Bliss said:
I agree with you, however it would be disingenuous of us to ignore unfavorable facts from the other side, then we look silly, particularly when the Defense puts on its case and some of this may come out. We know Trayvon got into trouble at school, it's why his mother sent him to stay with his dad, because of his suspension. His older brother Stephen apparently also got on Tray in a tweet 5 days before his death, for taking a swing at a bus driver.

If we think his Defense aren't going to attempt call these witnesses, we may be in a rude awakening. U cant deny ANY history of physical altercations if there were some, then have the Defense attempt to ambush...u have to preemptively acknowledge and explain them. You actually say it well - like you say many kids get into scuffles. Andreboba said he also might take a swing in the same situation, too. And like I asked Arch, are u gonna turn your back on someone following u - hell no, he had the kid cornered. Fight or flight, right?

So even if(assuming) Tray did take a swing, it's ONLY because he was ambushed by Zimmerman. The jury need to understand, the kid was terrified...and impressed upon to understand the fear a Black teen may feel if a larger WM is obviously tailing him! That every punch Tray threw was in self-defense, whether he threw the first one, or the last one, or the most ones. He was fighting for his life. Not Zimmerman.
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Bliss said:
Two frightened people??

C'mon man, seriously. Trayvon was the frightened one.. how could he not be? He wasn't from that neighborhood! But GZ lived there. Who was the more comfortable?
GZ had a gun, Trayvon didn't. He had skittles, a drink his cell and $40 in his pocket. Maybe he felt he was about to be robbed by GZ? BM get stuck up all the time.

GZ wasn't frightened. He was too juiced on his own adrenalin that he was about to possibly make a citizens arrest to hand over to the cops (aren't I amazing police, I want to be one of you one day, you know), and be the local hero on the block which would solidify his delusions of superhero NHW captain.
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Well said. There's no doubt in my mind that Trayvon was scared...most anyone would be in a situation where some creepy stranger coming at you while you're minding your own damn business. That's when the natural fight-or-flight response kicks in...Trayvon knew he was under attack and did what he could to defend himself.
 
Bliss said:
Two frightened people??

C'mon man, seriously. Trayvon was the frightened one.. how could he not be? He wasn't from that neighborhood! But GZ lived there. Who was the more comfortable?
GZ had a gun, Trayvon didn't. He had skittles, a drink his cell and $40 in his pocket. Maybe he felt he was about to be robbed by GZ? BM get stuck up all the time.

GZ wasn't frightened. He was too juiced on his own adrenalin that he was about to possibly make a citizens arrest to hand over to the cops (aren't I amazing police, I want to be one of you one day, you know), and be the local hero on the block which would solidify his delusions of superhero NHW captain.
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This.All.Day.
 
Tamstrong said:
Well said. There's no doubt in my mind that Trayvon was scared...most anyone would be in a situation where some creepy stranger coming at you while you're minding your own damn business. That's when the natural fight-or-flight response kicks in...Trayvon knew he was under attack and did what he could to defend himself.
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Precisely. Anyone's heart would go from zero to 60 as soon as your instinct kicked in you are being followed .. and as women we (can) particularly understand that sudden fear. Hopefully the jury will.
 
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The Day the Hard News Died: CNN Only Cares About Egypt in Little Boxes


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(To be fair, it wasn't only CNN...)

News networks say they're only giving (us) what America demands, but does America really get to choose? IDK about that.... maybe more we merely eat (up) what we are fed.
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
It's not just the conservatives that lash out, my dear. In fact, most of this forum is liberal - and there's been a whole lotta lashing out around here as long as I've been here...can't only be us conservatives.
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When it comes to issues like this conservatives usually take the insulting belitting pov my friend. Not saying both sides don't do it just pointing out one side seems to always start it. And on this particular topic Panicked Stumper and Archean definitely threw the first stones calling anyone who didn't agree stupid. Same as those who claimed to be liberal but went ape shit on the gun debate topic as well. The liberal pov is always attacked first.
 
Tamstrong said:
As someone who's raised a son and grew up with four younger brothers, I can say that this is pretty accurate. Testosterone is a powerful thing, especially in combination with all the craziness of being a teenager.

There are also many boys who just like to fight and engage in rough play. It makes no sense to me, but my son and his goofy friends have always loved playing that stupid trading hits game where they take turn punching each other as hard as they can in the arm. The dummies don't even seem to mind the pain or the bruising, and they always seem to have a goofy grin on their faces when they're showing off their bruised arms...especially if they were the "winner" in the game. lol

My son has had to fight to defend himself against bullies and racists over the years, and IMO he would've been a fool just to stand there and take their abuse. My son is by no means a thug, and IMO neither was Trayvon.

IMO, the only thug in this case is Zimmerman. His history and the way he handled himself the night Trayvon was killed has thug written all over it.
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Women that have your background are always a bag of fun. You without a doubt understand what I was getting at. Guys are often rough with their friends growing up so certainly they are that much rougher with those they dislike.

Bliss said:
I agree with you, however it would be disingenuous of us to ignore unfavorable facts from the other side, then we look silly, particularly when the Defense puts on its case and some of this may come out. We know Trayvon got into trouble at school, it's why his mother sent him to stay with his dad, because of his suspension. His older brother Stephen apparently also got on Tray in a tweet 5 days before his death, for taking a swing at a bus driver.

If we think his Defense aren't going to attempt call these witnesses, we may be in a rude awakening. U cant deny ANY history of physical altercations if there were some, then have the Defense attempt to ambush...u have to preemptively acknowledge and explain them. You actually say it well - like you say many kids get into scuffles. Andreboba said he also might take a swing in the same situation, too. And like I asked Arch, are u gonna turn your back on someone following u - hell no, he had the kid cornered. Fight or flight, right?

So even if(assuming) Tray did take a swing, it's ONLY because he was ambushed by Zimmerman. The jury need to understand, the kid was terrified...and impressed upon to understand the fear a Black teen may feel if a larger WM is obviously tailing him! That every punch Tray threw was in self-defense, whether he threw the first one, or the last one, or the most ones. He was fighting for his life. Not Zimmerman.
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The power of discovery and how it is used always has the potential to have a profound effect on the outcome of any case. I certainly agree with the point you made, running from the facts will only make the facts seem a lot worse than they really are.
 
paniro187 said:
I'm in the camp of him deserving manslaughter no doubt. But I'm not in the camp that he went out to kill TM on purpose.

I also find it funny how people on both sides of this a quick to dismiss the pasts of both here.
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Look at him give the murder the benefit of the doubt.

Flip the races and you be calling a 28 y/o Black man that followed and gunned down an UNARMED 17 y/o white teenaged all kinds of low-life coward scum.

Last I checked Martin never assaulted a cop and beat up a woman.

You are an obscene characature of a Black man....that's if you are Black....either way....you are a damaged incompleted "man"...
 
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