orejon4
Well-Known Member
Germany and France have large sub-populations of Spanish, Portuguese and Turkish immigrants (also mostly in Europe), particularly in the post-WWII period, and from all my personal acquaintances from these groups, they discussed pretty strong social sanctions toward them in Germany and France. It is probably a mix of race and ethno-chauvinism, but that doesn't make it any less real. My ex-father-in-law talked about getting harassed in Germany quite a big. My Turkish friends with relatives in Germany mentioned the same. I am by no means saying it's universal, but many Europeans I have met make a distinction between Northern and Southern/Mediterranean Europe. They do not say they are "not white", but they acknowledge a difference in culture and racial stock. The same way they acknowledge a difference between Anglo-Saxons and Slavs.