No one's talking about Steubenville?

But right there you make the point of illustraring we are a violent cultute but we there are lines. Objectification is found on all fronts for all people yet there are lines. We are a pro gun society but no one okays spree killings. And like I said using the term culture implies some level of acceptence. And as far as certain traditions like taking of the sir name are quickly dying. I personally am not a fan of it but it seems to be taking root.

 

It's the same way with the rape culture. The culture supports all the causal factors and then gets angry at the results. It's a sort of cultural schizophrenia. Just like demanding absolute consumer convenience and then getting upset about the means to grant their requests. As for the spree killings, no one okays spree killings, but the society totally encourages and romanticizes the man who "won't take any bs", the "man of action" and attacks the ''culture of victimization" until that 'take charge attitude' is turned against the society at large.

I just saw a quote on a different topic that sums up what I'm trying to say pretty concisely:

“You can’t give your child candy for breakfast, lunch and dinner until he’s 10 years old, and then expect him to become a vegan.”

 

The stats ARE the reality. You are the one who took it as a personal attack on men in general. What we have been saying is that being aware of our surroundings will NOT protect us from the vast majority if rapes. I'm sorry if it makes you uncomfortable to know that most women who are raped are raped by an intimate, friend or family member. But that is the reality. I didn't pull that out of my arse.

 

Beautifully stated. I couldn't have said it better myself. Would rep you if I could. :smt026:smt026

 

No one's saying you or anyone else weren't. I'm not understanding that part of the equation of why some people feel this shit is some how a hit on men. If it's the whole gender issue then please stop looking at rape as only a man violating a woman issue. That seems to be the BIG silly ass sticking point in this whole issue. I stated that rape is a human issue. Why? Because any & all human beings no matter their sex is capable of rape. Men can rape men. Women can rape women. Women can rape men. Adults can rape children. And in rare fucked instants children rape other children. People don't get hung up on gender the same way when someone commits murder, so why does everyone get hung up on gender when it comes to rape? Again the shit is another human being showing disrespect and disregard for another human being. It's as simple as that.

 

Is it normal across the US judicial system to imprision more black men per quota than any other type of "criminal"?

Is it normal for more black men to be imprisioned for the same crime a white man might commit than the white men who commited it?

Is it normal for our US judicial system to throw a person caught with pot in jail for 20 years while throwing someone who murdered someone in jail for 10?

Is it normal for our judicial system to keep innocent people in jail even when they aren't guilty? Or for that matter, put them to death for a crime they didn't even commit?

Are you seriously asking me if there is anything normal with our judicial system?

 

Not an equal comparison

 

So in your book then everything has to be of equal value to be a straight comparison?

And how is that NOT an equal comparison?

A miscarriage of justice is a miscarriage of justice and never anything else.
That right there pretty much levels the playing field.

 

Oh here we go....reminds me of that can a husband rape his wife bullshit

 

my ex and i will definitely have to teach my duaghter some things on how to avoid being a victim if possible.

1) stay away from alcohol...it makes you vulnerable . if you drink ...do it at home with other women or your husband....(still may not be safe)

2) dont drink any drinks that are open....they could drug it or spike the drink.

3) if you feel uncomfortable about whats going on where you are ....call me and act like you are ordering pizza so she can save face and I will not ask questions. we will not talk about it unless she bring it up. Im just happy that she knows she can call me to get her out of a bad situation

 

This. Children need to know that they can come to their parents in a time of need, and not be judged. I reinforce open communication constantly with my kids (they are still quite little, so this is very much a work in progress). There's nothing I'm more committed to than my children and while I recognize there will come a time when they don't share everything with me...all I need them to know is that at the end of the day, I'm on THEIR side. Period.

 

This is a great idea. Although I would ask questions - I'm just too nosy not to.

 

I keep telling these dudes there is far more sexy things about you outside of your looks. Well said kid

 

Turned into some straight up bitches in court, who's laughing now.

 

Aww thanks love. Much appreciated :freehug:

 

Being the father of a little girl, stories like this make me so scared. How does even happen...how can somebody think this is okay? How could other teenagers sit back and watch? I pray for all parties involved, especially this young lady that will be effected by what happened to her for the rest of her life. I actually pray for these two young men who through, albeit brief, a total lapse of judgment have ruined their lives.

What is most disturbing is I don't believe the court room tears were out of remorse, but out fear of going to prison; where perpetrators of sexual crimes have a really hard time, and are often themselves victims of sexual assault. Stories like this is that sh*t I don't like...smh

 

I see the verdict appealed to exhaustion...No winners here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...verdict_n_2895541.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular


But this comment sums it up....

 

I feel sorry for all the kids involved in this. They all made poor decisions (some with greater consequences than others) that evening and their lives will never be the same.

 

yeah, Im with you on that. I cant half way understand why they didnt intervene but I dont understand at all why they didnt call the police afterwards.

I also agree with you on the crying part. they werent crying when they did the shit. they werent crying afterwards or when they were talking about how funny it was.

it wasnt poor decisions ...it was evil decisions.

 

Evil is doing the wrong thing knowingly and doing it anyway. Serial killers are evil, these assholes had no awareness that what they did was wrong. Its such a damn shame. So much wasted youth. I do get why they didn't call the police. Its the same reason why most of us pass homeless people on the street or see other crimes and don't say shit. Self preservation my friend. Can't expect kids to do what adults can't do.