Chik fil-a...freedom of speech or intolerance?

Bookworm616 said:
All I said was Chik-fil-A wasn't a member of Congress.

As for your big money holders going to the GOP, that's not entirely true. Obama has raised how many hundreds of millions of dollars? In fact, aren't Obama and Romney pretty equal in their fundraising? That stats may have changed, I don't know.



Link please....

I'm not so sure that Joan of Arc was just "devout".

I've actually experienced ghosts, which would prove that there is something after death.

I'm not a very religious person, I don't attend church hardly ever, but I do believe there is something up there that we can't explain down here.
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The last I read, rush, Koch, and I can remember the others name had donated 1 billion to romneys (or some such) fund.

A million? A billion? Doesn't sound like much of a difference.

But enuff of a difference to have someone shove their bible down my throat and take my daughters right to choose what she wants to do with her reproductive health away.

Depending, of course, on who gets elected.
 
Again: Psychological neurosis. Didn't say that none of them occurred, but it doesn't validate the idea that ghosts exists since the imagination can "fluctuate" closer to reality. In other words, what you see is just a trickery in your eyes.

I was a baby too once and "saw" many things, but that's due to a child's imagination. My mom claimed she saw a red-eyed pygmy man trying to pry her sister away at night. Again, the imagination and fear runs deep.

And it all goes full circle to the main point: humans and their need to find "magic" and mysticism and the love of the supernatural aka the imagination plays a real good role reinforcing certain things.

Bookworm616 said:
No. What I experienced really happened. I can also tell you that when my daughter was a very, very small child (2 years and younger), she saw things and told me.

You can't explain away with science (and I'm a FIRM believer in science) the stuff that I experienced.
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SMH

If you found out a business (Chick-fla for example) in the 1960's made a remark about how the bible says this or that (like they equally yolked part and what ever else they use to justify thinking interracial marriage should be illegal) would you continue to eat their? Would you defend them? If you found out they were giving millions of dollars to organizations to fight overturning the laws on interracial marriage, to fight protections that would allow your employer to fire you, that would allow business to refuse you service. Would you still support Mr. Cathy's position and still make this about his freedom of speech when it has nothing to do with that? Would you not be angry and voice YOUR opinions about how wrong it was?

If you found out a business in the 1960's or in the 1860's made a remark about how his bible tells him that as white man he has the right to enslave blacks, and such BS as that would you still support him then? If you found out he was giving millions of dollars to the KKK would you stand behind him then?
 
APPIAH said:
Pontiff= Head of the Roman Catholic Church Pontificate= being an arrogant motherfucker who thinks he/she is the repository of all knowledge and tries to lecture others every damn time. I believe one was derived from the other and it describes the Catholic Church perfectly. Christians are very judgemental and think their belief is superior to others making them better than others who practice Judaism, Islam, Buddhism and the like. The biggest culprits are the Catholics and the Evangelicals who like sitting on their moral high horse and wagging their judgemental finger in your face, yet are quick to tell you not to judge when one of their pastors is embroiled in scandal. For those talking about sin in the bible, David was an adulterer and a murderer yet God says David is a man after His own heart, Moses was also a murderer cus he killed an Egyptian who was fighting his kinsman, Rahab was a prostitute yet she was given honourable mention in the Bible and is in the bloodline of Jesus, Mary Magdalene was also a woman of questionable morals yet was close to Jesus, Jesus went to dine with Zacchaeus who was a crooked taxman. Who is anybody to judge somebody? The history of the Catholic Church is littered with blood and their pastors sexual history is splashed all over the news. Evangelical pastors have had their fair share of scandal as well. So for those who are waving the bible card on this gay issue i say look in the mirror.
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You. Better. Work!

Thank you. I'm giving you a huge standing ovation right now.

And if I can..I'm repping the fuck out of this post.

I totally less than 3 it.
 
Alinoa said:
The last I read, rush, Koch, and I can remember the others name had donated 1 billion to romneys (or some such) fund.

A million? A billion? Doesn't sound like much of a difference.

But enuff of a difference to have someone shove their bible down my throat and take my daughters right to choose what she wants to do with her reproductive health away.

Depending, of course, on who gets elected.
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In the 39 years since Roe v. Wade has happened, we've had a Republican President for 24 of those years and not once has it been overturned.

It's more fear-mongering. I'm pro-choice, btw.
 
Majestic Saint said:
Again: Psychological neurosis. Didn't say that none of them occurred, but it doesn't validate the idea that ghosts exists since the imagination can "fluctuate" closer to reality. In other words, what you see is just a trickery in your eyes.

I was a baby too once and "saw" many things, but that's due to a child's imagination. My mom claimed she saw a red-eyed pygmy man trying to pry her sister away at night. Again, the imagination and fear runs deep.

And it all goes full circle to the main point: humans and their need to find "magic" and mysticism and the love of the supernatural aka the imagination plays a real good role reinforcing certain things.
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You're going to continue to believe what you want and I will continue to know what I experienced so we can just call it a draw.
 
Sure. Your brain is still up to snuff. You do have a director's mind. So, keep letting your imagination guide you like the "ghastly experiences" you've weaved.

Bookworm616 said:
You're going to continue to believe what you want and I will continue to know what I experienced so we can just call it a draw.
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Bookworm616 said:
In the 39 years since Roe v. Wade has happened, we've had a Republican President for 24 of those yea rs and not once has it been overturned.

It's more fear-mongering. I'm pro-choice, btw.
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Yes..but thoserepublican prez, while being repubs, weren't mittens, bought and sold by the likes of the Koch brothers.

We play a different game now.
 
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Stizzy said:
This country is almost 16 trillion dollars in debt and people don't care. The goverment fucks us every single day and people had rather ridicule a man for free speech and personal beliefs. That's pathetic.
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Here is the thing - people can care, but make it logical!

Example: Walmart discriminates against promoting women - their workers filed a Federal class action lawsuit. Where was/is the national boycott? I bet the ChkFila protestors shop at Walmart, or didn't protest. And in this case, W/M's employees were directly affected.

Instead, they've chosen to misdirect the Gay-Marriage platform by condemning Chk-fila, and have deliberately chosen to ignore (in this tough economy) the real fact that CFA hires and promotes women and gays.
On top, they condemned anyone who dared chastise Boston's Mayor's abuse of Governmental power when he illegally threatened CFA's right to do business. Makes no sense.
 
ReginaStar said:
SMH

If you found out a business (Chick-fla for example) in the 1960's made a remark about how the bible says this or that (like they equally yolked part and what ever else they use to justify thinking interracial marriage should be illegal) would you continue to eat their? Would you defend them? If you found out they were giving millions of dollars to organizations to fight overturning the laws on interracial marriage, to fight protections that would allow your employer to fire you, that would allow business to refuse you service. Would you still support Mr. Cathy's position and still make this about his freedom of speech when it has nothing to do with that? Would you not be angry and voice YOUR opinions about how wrong it was?

If you found out a business in the 1960's or in the 1860's made a remark about how his bible tells him that as white man he has the right to enslave blacks, and such BS as that would you still support him then? If you found out he was giving millions of dollars to the KKK would you stand behind him then?
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IR marriage is not condemned in the Bible. Not true of homosexuality. I don't make the rules, God does, so don't shoot the messenger.
 
How many pages in and people are still missing the point....

It's not about free speech. It's about hate. Advertising that you proudly support and defend groups that consider homosexuals to be pedophiles, and that you cab pray away the gay, on top of making a hate-based statement on public radio is not a free speech issue. It's bigotry.
 
Bliss said:
Here is the thing - people can care, but make it logical!

Example: Walmart discriminates against promoting women - their workers filed a Federal class action lawsuit. Where was/is the national boycott? I bet the ChkFila protestors shop at Walmart, or didn't protest. And in this case, W/M's employees were directly affected.

Instead, they've chosen to misdirect the Gay-Marriage platform by condemning Chk-fila, and have deliberately chosen to ignore (in this tough economy) the real fact that CFA hires and promotes women and gays.
On top, they condemned anyone who dared chastise Boston's Mayor's abuse of Governmental power when he illegally threatened CFA's right to do business. Makes no sense.
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Is freedom of speech really freedom of speech? Non of it makes sense. I feel there are bigger things to get straight in this country.
 
JordanC said:
I just have to say my Chik Fil A is the same. We laughed about it once as it's so glaring and we were wondering where they got all the older white women. During the day they employ all white soccer moms or grandmas and at night it's all white blonde homecoming kings and queens. While right next door at Wendy's the general manager is black and 3-4 employees are Hispanic and one other is E. European (she looks Hispanic but her accent is not) I think she said once she was Armenian. So Wendy's can find a diverse crew to hire. :smt017

My experience has been (this is not scientific so don't get on your horses) if you will direct hate and discrimination or exclude, at one group unprovoked then you will easily do it to another. As bliss pointed out I can speak with my money. Yesterday I went to Wendy's. End of this story for me.
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Not in my area. Twenty years ago, my first job was next to one....who had hired ALL Black Manager/employees. The South Philly CFA? Majority Black employees. Go to the suburbs, majority White. So applying logic here, it depends on where you live.

And go ahead and support Wendy's it's your right.
Just like it is theirs to be a huge contributor to the conservative group A.L.E.C, whose sole agenda among other things, is to undermine environmental regulations and deny climate change, undercut health care reform, defund unions and limit their political influence, and increase incarceration to benefit the private prison industry, and who pushed hard for Forida's SYG law.

Wendy's continually fought for decades against humane conditions for animals, fought vigorously against making restaurants smoke free, and they gave 18% of campaign funds to DNC and 82% to the REPUBLICAN Party.
So if you support that, then eat there. if not, then you have the right NOT TO.

And you can throw in the Salvation Army and Walmart. They align with Chick-Fila. And your Church too if you belong to one and have donated.
 
TheHuntress said:
How many pages in and people are still missing the point....

It's not about free speech. It's about hate. Advertising that you proudly support and defend groups that consider homosexuals to be pedophiles, and that you cab pray away the gay, on top of making a hate-based statement on public radio is not a free speech issue. It's bigotry.
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Why can't people just say "fuck him" and drive on?? It's less stressful right?
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
IR marriage is not condemned in the Bible. Not true of homosexuality. I don't make the rules, God does, so don't shoot the messenger.
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The Israelites were told not to marry foreign women and God was angry at Solomon for marrying women from Persia and Egypt. Those women were a different race so some IR marriages were not permitted.
 
chesbaygrl7 said:
IR marriage is not condemned in the Bible. Not true of homosexuality. I don't make the rules, God does, so don't shoot the messenger.
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Actually, Ches, yes, yes it does.

All over the first testement of "gods word" the Hebrews are told again and again to not marry a certain type of race.

It may have benn based on some faith thing, but, it is still all over the place.

Whether faith based exclusion, or race exclusion..exclusion based on ANY idea is STILL exclusion.
 
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