Man Hits Woman - Was he Right ? Or Wrong ?

[The Dark King]

GL when I speak about my son being raised RIGHT, to never hurt a woman, I've also said that he can always defend himself to the extent necessary. Ivs said multiple times that no one needs to sit back and just take it, but you don't get to whoop ass cause some little girl hits you. Grow the fuck up little boy, you're an embarrassment to your age group

How do you determine what's necessary Raider? According to you dude in this video went too far but it's clear he traded a blow for a blow. It's not his fault that his attackers strike was weaker.

 

[The Dark King]

The courts got it wrong?!? You don't say!

Maybe that's a good reason to react with logic vs just hitting someone back.

Again spoken like someone who has never been in a fight. I've seen so many situations go south quicker than you can think oh shit.
I won't give someone the chance to go a step further than I'm prepared for.
Can I give you a scenario?

 

[RaiderLL]

How do you determine what's necessary Raider? According to you dude in this video went too far but it's clear he traded a blow for a blow. It's not his fault that his attackers strike was weaker.

It IS his fault. He's bigger and naturally stronger, if he were smart he would've walked away. His ego was bruised so he reacted INAPPROPRIATELY. Necessity is determined in every interaction. If my son grows up to be like his daddy, >6'3 300, id expect him to walk away from any woman who didn't have a weapon. Just because you think you're legally entitled to hit back doesn't mean it's the right thing to do, or that your interpretation of the law will keep you out of jail. Two wrongs don't make a right and unless my sons life is at risk, he can restrain someone until authorities arrive.

 

[The Dark King]

It IS his fault. He's bigger and naturally stronger, if he were smart he would've walked away. His ego was bruised so he reacted INAPPROPRIATELY. Necessity is determined in every interaction. If my son grows up to be like his daddy, >6'3 300, id expect him to walk away from any woman who didn't have a weapon. Just because you think you're legally entitled to hit back doesn't mean it's the right thing to do, or that your interpretation of the law will keep you out of jail. Two wrongs don't make a right and unless my sons life is at risk, he can restrain someone until authorities arrive.

You think this shit is ego? Did he say that?
Again spoken like someone who's never been punched in the face never faced more than one attacker. You think being bigger means you don't feel pain?

 

[DudeNY12]

I'm beginning to see a lot of you have never been in any physical confrontation in your lives. Lucky you.
Anyone who's even witnessed a fight understands how quickly South shit can go. Someone hitting you once most times doesn't stop there I don't care if it's male or female. Trying to turn the other cheek can leave your ass blind but hey at least you were the bigger person smh

I've been in more than enough fights when I was growing up. I get your points, but I'd also say... No one in their right mind would flat out turn their back on a potential threat. I'd definitely keep such a person in sight while I'm removing or attempting to remove myself from that situation. Of course that likely means it hasn't quite become a fight yet. No doubt you'll have to defend yourself if someone is actively striking or attempting to strike you. Also... I have seen cases where even two dudes were fighting, one didn't really want it to come to that, and he actually started backing away once he stopped the other guy. Coming back to the video clip... I say that dude would've been wise to have left/stayed away from that girl once it started going in a bad direction. Likewise, she also shouldn't have taken it there, and she definitely shouldn't have hit the guy.

There was plenty of blame in that situation, but it's also about making smart decisions and both of them failed.

 

[RaiderLL]

Again spoken like someone who has never been in a fight. I've seen so many situations go south quicker than you can think oh shit.
I won't give someone the chance to go a step further than I'm prepared for.
Can I give you a scenario?

I have been in school fights, but as an adult?? No. I don't put myself in those situations to begin with. If there's nonsense going on where I'm at, I leave before anything starts. I don't do drama.

 

[Loki]

They were wrong for that according to the law he was well within his rights. He hit her back once to get her away from him. And you can tell this is totally biased on so many levels. If it were a guy the same size as that woman that case would have been thrown out

This perfectly illustrates my point TDK, in your eyes he was justified, but in the eyes of those who matter, the football player now has a criminal record that will follow him the rest of his days, if he is good enough to play at the next level this will affect his $ and draft status, he lost a year of his scholarship, and he is now facing a civil suit. All because he did not choose to walk away from a CLEARLY non-lethal push/shove/slap from a woman approximately half his size and strength. Why put yourself in that situation with all the life altering negative consequences, when by simply remaining calm, walking away, calling the cops, pressing charges, filing your own civil suit, would bring about nothing but positive results and in this case perhaps even national praise for retaliating the INTELLIGENT way, by using the law. If he did this, he probably would have had a VERY high level of success given the prior arrest record of the woman who assaulted him. Honestly, as someone I know to be intelligent, looking at the fallout from this altercation, which path would you want to choose?

 

[RaiderLL]

You think this shit is ego? Did he say that?
Again spoken like someone who's never been punched in the face never faced more than one attacker. You think being bigger means you don't feel pain?

He knocked out a smaller female for slapping him... if that's not ego, please tell me what is lol. And nothing here is taking about being attacked by a group of people, damn. Each situation warrants different levels of response, that's a no brainer.

 

[The Dark King]

This perfectly illustrates my point TDK, in your eyes he was justified, but in the eyes of those who matter, the football player now has a criminal record that will follow him the rest of his days, if he is good enough to play at the next level this will affect his $ and draft status, he lost a year of his scholarship, and he is now facing a civil suit. All because he did not chose to walk away from a CLEARLY non-lethal push/shove/slap from a woman approximately half his size and strength. Why put yourself in that situation with all the life altering negative consequences, when by simply remaining calm, walking away, calling the cops, pressing charges, filing your own civil suit, would bring about nothing but positive results and in this case perhaps even national praise for retaliating the INTELLIGENT way, by using the law. If he did this, he probably would have had a VERY high level of success given the prior arrest record of the woman who assaulted him. Honestly, as someone I know to be intelligent, looking at the fallout from this altercation, which path would you want to choose?

Ok I will admit my perspective is colored on this because I've seen shit escalate so quickly in situations like this. Dude gets into a shout match with a girl doesn't lay a hand on her after she hits him then is confronted by another dude while the girl jumps on his back biting him. The dude who did the "right" thing ends up fucked. If dude had taken the girl down he'd only would have had one person to deal with not two?

 

[The Dark King]

He knocked out a smaller female for slapping him... if that's not ego, please tell me what is lol. And nothing here is taking about being attacked by a group of people, damn. Each situation warrants different levels of response, that's a no brainer.

But she wasn't alone and it's not like he could gauge her tolerance or it could have been pure reflex. Have you ever been punched in the face Raider? Is the reaction always rational. Its classic fight or flight it's pure instinct

 

[The Dark King]

I've been in more than enough fights when I was growing up. I get your points, but I'd also say... No one in their right mind would flat out turn their on a potential threat. I'd definitely keep such a person in sight while I'm removing or attempting to remove myself from that situation. Of course that likely means it hasn't quite become a fight yet. No doubt you'll have to defend yourself if someone is actively striking or attempting to strike you. Also... I have seen cases where even two dudes were fighting, one didn't really want it to come to that, and he actually started backing away once he stopped the other guy. Coming back to the video clip... I say that dude would've been wise to have left/stayed away from that girl once it started going in a bad direction. Likewise, she also shouldn't have taken it there, and she definitely shouldn't have hit the guy.

There was plenty of blame in that situation, but it's also about making smart decisions and both of them failed.

Thank you that's all I'm saying.

 

[RaiderLL]

But she wasn't alone and it's not like he could gauge her tolerance or it could have been pure reflex. Have you ever been punched in the face Raider? Is the reaction always rational. Its classic fight or flight it's pure instinct

The fact that she wasn't alone would be all the more reason to walk away, you're mouse inclined to be hurt when outnumbered I'd imagine so get yourself out of that situation.

And he couldn't tell her tolerance for being hit so again the smart thing was to walk away. One hit can kill, so it was even more ridiculous that he went there with someone so much smaller. Had her hit her and she died, knocking her head on the ground as she fell or something, his life would be DONE. Is it really worth it?? That's why I'm saying people need to be smarter. He was wrong in his reaction, his force was excessive, and because we all know how this country reacts to the color of his skin, he's paying a grand price for his overreaction.

 

[Loki]

But she wasn't alone and it's not like he could gauge her tolerance or it could have been pure reflex. Have you ever been punched in the face Raider? Is the reaction always rational. Its classic fight or flight it's pure instinct

Very true, as someone who has been hit in the face (sports fights) the urge to retaliate is VERY powerful, but as BM it is even MORE CRITICAL than for others to remain calm and keep your wits because as stated before we will NOT get the benefit of the doubt if the authorities are called. Once again, I truly hope EVERYONE hears me on this THE LAW DOES NOT EQUAL JUSTICE, AND CAN BE CAPRICIOUS, HUGELY FLAWED, AND OPEN TO DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS. The best way for BM to have a positive result with the law is to NOT GET INVOLVED with the law. NOT at all fair to BM, but a huge reality that is seen everyday in the legal system.

 

[Loki]

Ok I will admit my perspective is colored on this because I've seen shit escalate so quickly in situations like this. Dude gets into a shout match with a girl doesn't lay a hand on her after she hits him then is confronted by another dude while the girl jumps on his back biting him. The dude who did the "right" thing ends up fucked. If dude had taken the girl down he'd only would have had one person to deal with not two?

I hear you on this one, there is no perfect answer for every scenario, in group settings like you are describing the legalities may very well change and a person may have more legally justifiable defenses if he could prove multiple elements for assault and battery. Just a quick legal definition as most people mistake assault for the actual physical touching, Assault - an intentional act by one person that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent harmful or offensive contact.

 

[DudeNY12]

But she wasn't alone and it's not like he could gauge her tolerance or it could have been pure reflex. Have you ever been punched in the face Raider? Is the reaction always rational. Its classic fight or flight it's pure instinct

That is exactly what really concerns me in male/female physical confrontations. If I had daughters that would be in that same talk about everyone keeping their hands to themselves. For the girls... The guy is likely stronger and can easily hurt you, and if you slap him... It's very realistic that he may instinctively strike back. If I had a son. Same situation... If your instinct take over... he could easily injure her (or worse).

 

[MilkandCoffee]

You can call me a bitch, but when women get physical with me I always pussy out and walk off. I remember I almost got jumped by a bunch of white knights for fighting a girl who hit me first. Ever since that day I knew how biased society is towards women when it comes to things like this.

 

[RaiderLL]

That is exactly what really concerns me in male/female physical confrontations. If I had daughters that would be in that same talk about everyone keeping their hands to themselves. For the girls... The guy is likely stronger and can easily hurt you, and if you slap him... It's very realistic that he may instinctively strike back. If I had a son. Same situation... If your instinct take over... he could easily injure her (or worse).

Absolutely agreed. School fights are different I think than adult fighting. In school, kids feel like they have something to prove, an adult shouldn't have that same feeling if confronted (unless there are self esteem issues with them). I pray my children are smart enough to walk away whenever possible, and use only reasonable force if they can't walk away. I'm not raising bullies so anything that's not justified simply won't be tolerated

 

[Beasty]

I rather be judged by 12 than be carried by 6

 

[goodlove8]

Lol

 

[MightyLighty]

You posted this to try to further your argument but it only reinforces the point being made to you -- respond appropriately. He slapped her back and she recoiled. Of course he could have cold-cocked her, but he didn't because he knew the damage he could cause to her. As would be if he pulled out his gun and shot her.

Actually she slapped him THEN punched, spat at him, and used a racial epithet. Now who in their reasonable mind would be able to take that shit and NOT response? It was an appropriate response imo.

I just hope she learns a lesson from this, but given her pathetic attempt to sue the brother (with two claims already dismissed) and the fact that she lives in a 'never hit a women' society, I doubt it.