WW please answer me -- why BM in particular?

She didn't say they were sexier, she said for her the attraction is based on the individual, not the race,and Asian men are sexy as well, just like you guys mention Asian women and Latinas and how hot or great they are every now and then. Now I understand Tucker's sadness because this place should be first and foremost about people with a preffence for black men and white women, or we would post on other forums where everybody likes the individual and doesnt have any specific preference. Still, don't be so sensitive Tuck, we do have a prefference for BM or we wouldn't be here but on a regular forum or even an Asian men forum, lol. We don't react when you mention women or other races than white. It was just a few posts, as a reply to whether you have a prefference for BM or not specifically, it wasn't hijacking the thread more than all the other topics are hijacked.

You did imply she doesn't belong here because you missinterpreted her as having a prefference for Asian men (she didn't say they are sexier), which would indeed make you wonder why does she bother coming here.

Just a missunderstanding.
But then, I don't get whats with the "go and waste somebody else's time with your oversensitive, overly subjective nonsense", "overly subjective, paranoid, and lack the reading comprehension skills" . Appologize.

 

I didn't imply anything. I asked a question about the direction the conversation took because of what was said to hijack it (maybe in a sarcastic manner) because the conversations in here tend to go off track like that too much, and as for what I stated about her overly subjective, paranoid, oversensitive nonsense, that was because she and other women come in here, and take every disagreement amongst them and what the black men say in here as a personal insult, and it gets old, and then expect all of us to feel sorry for them and apologize to them for not doing anything wrong ( maybe expect for disagreeing ) and her comments were in regard to XXX and not me, but since she made it all about me, I responded back to it.

 

Man o man :lol: :shock: :lol: :lol:

 

Yeah yeah

 

I think you hit it right on the dot there. I know a very physically attractive married white woman who I go to church with. She always winks at me in church and she has hinted at me a few times about an affair. I simply wouldn't even go there because I know her husband is white and plus me being a churchgoing type of black man. I also think on the other side of the coin that most white women are better lovers than most black women otherwise you would see many black men staying with the sisters. I like the white women's tanned skin, the way her smooth creamy skin feels rubbing up against mine, her thin lips, and pretty eyes, and her sunny disposition.

 

Whoa! I'll tell you what, if I knew there were as many paranoid people on these boards as there appear to be in this thread, I probably wouldn't have posted. First, let's clear some things up.

A few seem to ask what relevance this particular thread has with the greater conscious of the board (being a site as it is, dealing exclusively with the interracial relationships of Black Men and White Women).

Fair point. Being of an analytical mindset, I like to get to the bottom of things. If I see a pattern, I wish to understand how it comes into existence. In my experience (MINE -- may not be the same as yours, ya dig?), I have always noted a predeliction for WW (in general) to go out, have sex with, and marry black men.

I wondered why this was so, given the fact that there are so many other interesting races to choose from. Obviously there are WW who go with other non-black "foreign" (in terms of "non-white") males. But I think that when adjusted for statistically, black male-white female relationships are far more the norm.

So, my question is (again, for those of you who don't seem to read and comprehend in turn), why?

Why would that be the case? Amongst the many different types of races (as those of you who have noted, all cool and beautiful in thier own unique way) why do WW prefer (as they seem to) to go out with BM?


MelissafromLA, in her infinite wisdom, has called this question ego-stroking (..."Any confident man knows what he's got. He doesn't have to ask throngs of people to help bolster his ego. This self-serving call to white women to proclaim their piety to black men is embarrasing and certainly not sexy"...). She indicates that by suggesting that WW (in general) have a preference for BM, I'm in-effect instigating/propagating (whichever one she sees fit) a "self-serving" mating call to all WW - for reasons she would deem to stem from my own personal insecurities (add a little bit about wanting to have sex with my mother and Freud would be proud).

Problem is, I don't really think that way. Not because I'm so pious or good-natured. But coz I know that on a scientific basis at least, the concept of race doesn't actually exist. In fact, African black populations show some of the greatest diversity genetically of all human "racial" groups.

Going beyond this, it's all to do with the numbers. Unfortunately for Melissa, the statistics just don't bear out what she's saying. Now, obviously I can't summarize an entire Wikipedia article on this page alone, so I'm afraid you'll have to do some reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage.


The gist of it is that there is a sort of marriage squeeze (though to be sure, I think it really isn't as big of a problem as Wikipedia would have us believe). In short, while African-American males are out-marrying more than AA females, the reverse trend is true for Asian Americans (more females outmarrying than males). I know Wikipedia shouldn't be the only source of information on this (neither is it by any means the best), but I think most sources would confirm what I'm saying as a popularly accepted consensus -- white chicks "appear" to dig the brothas more than the others (oooooohhhh.... can I say that? Are the politically astute hoi polloi on these boards gonna tear me a new A? Channelling Mel....)

And yes, I realize that "outmarrying" doesn't necessarily mean to another white person, but you can guess that the trend is generally the same.

Which brings me back to the same question; why? And there's no avoiding it this time. No amount of sychophantic reference to the horizontal appendages of Asian men you've slept with is gonna take that away. There's no jealous-possessive behaviour going on here. The BM on this board do not own the WW here (I'll go on record as saying that, since many of you seem to think otherwise of me). It's just a simple, hard-up (forgive the pun) curiosity.

What is so appealing to WW about BM that distinguishes them from the rest of the ethnic field?

Now given that all these IR hook-ups can't be b/c WW feel sorry for BM, there must be basic reasons behind the attraction. And while we men like to kid ourselves about ruling the roost, it's women who control the dating field. If they don't open up to us, we ain't gettin any. It's that simple. So these WW must specifically want to get with BM. Either that, or you tell me what's going on.

This is why I came up with my ridiculous party list

- Choclate complexion
- Muscular bodies
- Perfect eyes
- Sensous lips
- Enormous calves (this by the way, was a joke - hence smiley. All the black guys I ever knew wore sweatpants to the gym coz thier lower legs were so puny. I guess the magnitude of a sarcastic statement is lost in the deep chasms of Melissa's astonishing intellect).

By the way, I'd like to point out that despite meeting Melissa's instantaneous derision ("Nor do I buy into other analogies and metaphors you like to label black men"...), these very qualities of BM that I listed were actually (GET THIS SHIT) reasons given by some of the women in this thread for preferring BM over other races (take that in your hose-pipe and smoke it Mel!)

Example:


DaphneL:

Seychelles:

alessandra:

Notice anything, dear? {Yes, you know exactly who I'm talking to...}



Okay, so now we're clear with all this shit, there's only one more thing I gotta get off my chest. It's something very personal that MelissafromLA brought up, and I hadn't realized I'd given off this impression from my OP, but in any case.

Geo-political snideness aside, this is some BULLSHIT right here. The accusation is that I'm somehow "slandering" other races and thier interactions with white people (more specifically, Asian males with white females). Can you explain to me exactly, WHERE IN THE LIVING HELL I DID THAT???

What I did was to (in an admittedly crass way) highlight the low occurance of AM-WF relationships. I NEVER said that AM-WF coupling was a bad thing, or that somehow they can never get together (for whatever reason). I said that in my experience (since that's what I'm going on here, given that the whole point of human interaction is to broaden this very category in ways such as... oh I don't know... DISCUSSION) it's very rare to see AM and WF together. Evidently some cursory statistics bears my point out (though not conclusive I admit).

The rest of my post was simply a crude discussion of various reasons why this could be the case, or what sort of factors go into the discrepancy. Yes there was "sexual propoganda". But the whole point is to highlight these as possible motives for dating because like-it-or-not honey in the real world, it does exist. Popular representation in the media and stereotyping are a daily factoid of life. If we can bring it out in the open and geniunely discuss it, we can move on and progress instead of feeling as though we ought to brush it away as you would dirt under a carpet. In sum, there's nothing wrong with talking about the stuff so long as we can come to a fully satisfying conclusion.


Finally, on "deriding other races". Please tell me who the hell you think you are calling me a (ipso facto) racist. I've had Asian friends all my life and it might even suprise you to know my father is half Indian, but what the hell, right? The mountains of racial prejudice I and my friends (of all duskier hues) have had to suffer for years can all be swept under the rug when some pampered, politically correct white girl who's been on her knees to a couple of ethnic minority men convieniently points out my fallacies, likens me to Bush (as if that weren't an over-used ploy) and then calls me a racist. You haven't got the foggiest shit this side of the Hudson what I've been through or who I am.


I made a couple of simple-minded comments in my OP. Point taken. I'm writing on a forum that doesn't appear to be seasoned on technicality or scientific precision. My bad. Make your point that it isn't appropriate to do so and then move on.

But don't use that as some sort of excuse to come on-line and give me lectures about what values I hold dear or how prejudiced I am. Don't do that.

 

I havent an answer for it any more than I have an answer for why WM have such an Asian fetish, or why so many more WW date, have sex with and marry WM. 90% of WW who marry do so with WM partners as is the case for BM with BW.


when i find out why for t he other question i might understand the WWBM thing. All i know is I have always been comfortable with WW and HW more than any other women. It is was how I was raised, where I was raised and what my family values are.

 

XXX, while I truly understand your question, I feel as though these sorts of question are tough to answer given that attraction occurs subconsciously.

Statistically speaking, XXX has a point about a greater tendency of white women towards black male. This may be confusing for someone who hasn't really worked with statistics. I can see how people can easy get confused when fact shows that most white women (90% or more) marry white men.

But you have to remember that the occurrence of BM/WM has been normalized for each population size. Normalization basically cancels out the effect having a larger White population. Also I think XXX wasn't saying white women are more likely to date BM than WW. The statistical comparison only holds while comparing BM to other ethnic minorities.

Anyhow, I offer no solution to the question. I just wanted to talk about the statistical aspect of it.

 

.....Having gone back to read the previous posts, I realize that this has gone a little further than statistical correlations. Is there something I am missing?

 

Are white women better lovers in bed than black women?

 

After reading that drawn out meandering mess of a response, I'm finally convinced. XXX owns a thesaurus.

Using wikipedia as a source of information huh? The site that relies on it's readers to post original content.

You don't say...

It's not even credible let alone the best. This article cites examples of fictional interracial couples. Bobby and Connie on King of the Hill being one of them. A cartoon! There are more examples without the needed citations for evidence. The articles on wiki have recently and repeatedly gained a bad reputation for misinformation. Know why? Because anyone can post and edit articles. Moreover if you register with wiki, you can even hide your IP address. That's some source you've got there.

Here's a link for you XXX
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20051204-5682.html

Of course you'd think that. You're reading posts and articles of other insane people like yourself. You're going to see what you want to see and ignore what doesn't help your argument.

Then in true XXX fashion, another list. This time, quotes from members of WWBM.com. Birds of a feather smart guy. By the way, since you had access to these quotes to begin with, why even ask "why black men in particular?". In parlance, maybe you should read and comprehend earlier threads. That way you don't ask questions that have already have answers to them.

When you try so hard to act like a Rhodes Scholar, it comes off as being a sham. Here are some XXXisms.

Sorry Professor, us undergrads didn't know you post in here. We'll get back to you when we complete our post-doc. Seriously, aren't you being presumptuous XXX? To upgrade yourself as being "seasoned" and more left brained is campy, even for someone like yourself. I doubt that the scientific method is practicable in your creepy quest to the age old question, "is it our choclate complexion(s)." Trust me, you're no Linus Pauling.

Listen junior, having dated a few black men, I'm gonna let the penny drop on this one and let you in on a little secret. It's only a little secret because most people already know this. When some black men become irascible or get their feelings hurt, they immediately go on the offensive by trying to insult someone else's intelligence. What you don't know XXX is that when you do that, you expose your Achilles' heel. Your meaningless bombast once again proved nothing, and only served to hoist you by your own petard. What in the world made me think you'd understand what I just said. Here you go...
http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19960808

A little tip. Smart guys don't try to act smart. They just are and they know it. The same way confident men don't have to ask for everyone else's approval. They know their worth. There's a trend there. Doubt that you'd recognize it though.

You're right. I do think you have insecurities. A lot of gay men do. Maybe you should start your own site called bmbm.com

Listen to the words he chooses...

Nice party list. You can let Lance Bass be the entertainment. I thought guys "on the DL" are supposed to be discreet.

And for the coup de grace, you back peddled and now say that what you wrote previously was simply just satire ("my ridiculous party list"). Now if you only knew how to lampoon it would've been funny on purpose, not funny because the writer was an imbecile.
Now look what happened when you tried to explain yourself. You were called out on it, or shall I say...outed.

You almost proved me wrong when earlier I said that the myth of black men being dumb is precisely that...a myth. Because of you, I almost had to retract that. Thank goodness for the intelligent guys here like tuckereed, infiniti, and my boyfriend, so I didn't have to. Now buzz off g-rated.

 

:shock:

 

:shock: :smt102 :smt014 :smt072

 

MelissafromLA:

No, you're just mentally deficient. Be warned; it won't wear off anytime soon.

Isn't it amazing how you can pick out the weakness of an argument when it's already been exposed to you?

Of course Wiki isn't perfect. You could argue the same for just about every single type of academic publication (which Wiki as I'm sure you know, is not). However, to completely dismiss it's credibility based on the fact that users can post and edit entries themselves is slovenly.

In essence, Wiki can be used as a guide for gathering further information. Of course you do not trust it completely - but neither would you trust any one source of information. You use it to navigate around other text-based sources and corroborate (or reject) your previously found facts. It's what they call -- you know, research.

The problem with this is, as I've said before, the statistics just don't agree with what you're saying. Want some more tidbits?


http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/July06/blacks.marry.fac.html

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:...cally+interracial+marriage&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1


Since I already know you have the attention-span of a fruit fly, I'll highlight the salient points from both articles:

Article 1:

Article 2:

Oh but wait. These aren't accurate sources either. Where to next?

You could take the most highly peer reviewed study journal to conduct a field test and you'd once again find a similiar trend. The numbers don't lie. Why I think this would make such an impression on someone who can barely count is beyond me, but there you go.

And seriously, after perusing that entire Wikipedia article the best riposte you got is to point to the list of fictional mixed couplings as the only worthwhile information to discuss? You're stretching girl, you can just about see the crease marks on that cheap PVC Lycra suit you're wearing.


Ok, next item:

Uhhh... in case you hadn't noticed, this is a forum dealing with WW-BM relationships. I mean I know you have difficulties with regards to comprehension, but you really ought to be getting these kinds of things clear at your age.

"Birds of a feather" nothing, different women on these forums will have different reasons for wanting to date BM. My "party list" is just a selection (of randomly made up ones that happen to correlate with real WW preferences - at least on this board). I want to know whether these are the real motivations behind WW dating BM, or whether there are others. It's a perfectly natural curiosity. Contrasting them with the plight of other ethnic male - white female relationships is another, since it's really the only other statistic on the interracial dating habits of white females. And again I repeat (since maybe with repetition some of this may get through, though my hope is tentative at best) this is a board about White Females and Black Males, so the dating habits of WW are of interest to those of us on here.

And when you pretend to understand any of it and ignore any of the valid points being made and fail to argue cogently against them, and instead focus on meaningless drivel (re: the "cartoons" and Wikipedia)... well that to many of us also appears a "sham".

They let you graduate?

Not suprising, since good old Linus was a chemist, and my primary interest is in mathematics. Nice try, maybe we can nominate you for the academic Razzies.

Here comes a sweet little jem...

What exactly are you trying to say here? That black men have this so-called "Achilles heel"? Oh I get it, we're all stupid retards until we prove ourselves to a white person, right? I mean it's there, underneath the surface... just so long as we can keep it down.... ohhhhhhhhhh... my God..... here it comes!!!!!!!!!!!.....................


Listen thicko, if I was gonna prove my intelligence to someone, it sure as shit wouldn't be you. It's not exactly like you're qualified to judge anyway.

What you thought coz you used "bombast" and "petard" in one sentence in a contrived context I'd somehow bow down and worship your superior intellect?

No, what YOU have proven is your complete incapacity to argue the merits of your case. In doing so you've exposed numerous personality flaws and prejudices that you've attempted to heap onto me.

You've indicated that I'm a racist, yet it's YOU who is proposing the stereotype linking stupidity to black males, and you're doing it continously.

You attempt to insult my intelligence with what wit you can muster yet you haven't provided your arguments with any merit. Worse still, you've now gotton all sullen and attempted to "prove" your superior intellect whilst accusing me of doing the same thing (and if I might add, looking geniunely foolish in the process). Even worse than that, you've had to appeal to authority by referring to a vicious stereotype and somehow liken it to me. After all, if I'm geniunely stupid, why malign other black males? Why bring up stereo-types concerning other BM in your discussions with me? After all, even according to yourself, I AM AN INDIVIDUAL. It's a sneaky way to propogate your meaningless rants(which by now you've lost track of why you even started them). You know you have no point, so you do this instead. Absolutely classless.


Which brings me to another point on REAL prejudice:

Quite a few times now in this thread you've attempted to have a dig at my sexuality -- as if somehow that would elevate the status of your argument in other posters eyes. Hot tip: It doesn't. It makes you look petty and immature.

You've again brought up the seeds of your own prejudice. You have attempted to portray me negatively by associating me with "gayness"; ironically what you are saying in effect is that it is negative to be "gay". All your negative associations with me somehow keep coming back to this; it's a natural conclusion to think you really dislike gays. So basically for you, as long as it's a popular prejudice - it's cool.

Being comfortable in my own sexuality, I'll say that it bears no merit in this thread. After all, if I am gay, so what? It doesn't change the fact that we are discussing the trend of WW dating BM more than they date other races.

I suspect this last statement pisses you off. Because now I'm focusing in on the debate itself - the last thing you wanted. What you wanted was more hyperbole and meaningless rhetoric - all coming from yourself.

Uhhhhhh... no. What I said was that I wrote in a very crude way what my experiences were on the dating circuit. As I mentioned before, it was meant to be non-technical, coz on a forum like this it doesn't seem appropriate to have long-winded debates. Specially with posters who can barely rub two shits together and have a working model for thier brains.

The only one I hear in here lampooning that myth is you. Should tell you something about yourself, but my guess is with your rapier insight you'll never figure it out.

And the words I chose on my "party list" are ones that correlated very highly with reasons given for preferring BM. Hence my (even crude) argument still stands, whereas yours.... well wait - what was your argument again? I got lost when the cowdung stopped falling outta your mouth.

In short, don't post on a topic until you are well-informed enough to do so (which for you may take an extremely long time. Even then I might be inclined to wait a little if I were you). You'll only end up looking like a fool (which you seem to exhibit with great skill). And don't attempt to lambast other's intelligence when you possess so little of it yourself. It makes for embarrassment.

Can't be too intelligent. Judging by his taste in women.

 

XXX:

Change "lampooning" to "trumpeting" [*]. Her ignorance is contagious.




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[*] Not that Mel would know the difference.

 

Re: Are white women better lovers in bed than black women?

 

Man, i thought this thread was going to go in the direction we all wanted? Boy, was i wrong? I just do not understand why a single topic about blacks and whites cannot go without being hideously hijacked.

 

Hey Cris, all the brother did was asked a simple question, then as usual someone who seems to think she's an authority on Black men because she's had some black dick which by the way numbered into the 3's.

Wow ! The power of Black dick, no wonder white men fight so hard to keep their daughters from brothers

 

:smt067 :smt068 :smt003 :smt033 :smt005

 

LOL, hey man don't shoot me for tellin da truth ruth

You cats as been laying mind altering dick on these chicks, hell I've heard of making a women cry and call you name but making a white woman thinks she's knows what it's like to be a Black man !

Damn, wait till I tell the boys in da hood, we been wasting all our time marching and carrying signs to get white folks to feel our pain when we should just have use the power of the Black dick on their women folk

I'll never march again, Hey Becky, come feel my pain