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orejon4
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I am personally better off financially and professionally. In addition, I have noted in the states with which I am familiar (Florida, Illinois, Tennessee, Georgia (Atlanta, primarily), Missouri, Indiana) an increasingly angry, anti-science and anti-pluralist undercurrent in the majority ethnic group. I have always felt a bit apprehensive about the potential for a backlash against social progress for historically disadvantaged subsets of the population, but I have never felt that it was as imminent as now. I hope that I'm wrong, however.
That being said, I think the Democrats share much of the blame for their own party's slow decline. Since the Southern Strategy, the Dems have seemed more concerned about winning back the support of anti-Civil Rights white voters than they are about strengthening their support among people of color and especially among working people generally. From NAFTA forward, the Dems' policies have increasingly represented more the professional / managerial class and socially liberal wealthy. That's not to let Republicans off the hook either, since they primarily represent the industrial and extractive industries and the socially reactionary. Neither party does an adequate job of defending the economic interests of working people and the resulting frustration leaves them ready recipients of demagogic messaging.
That being said, I think the Democrats share much of the blame for their own party's slow decline. Since the Southern Strategy, the Dems have seemed more concerned about winning back the support of anti-Civil Rights white voters than they are about strengthening their support among people of color and especially among working people generally. From NAFTA forward, the Dems' policies have increasingly represented more the professional / managerial class and socially liberal wealthy. That's not to let Republicans off the hook either, since they primarily represent the industrial and extractive industries and the socially reactionary. Neither party does an adequate job of defending the economic interests of working people and the resulting frustration leaves them ready recipients of demagogic messaging.
Bliss
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You may be correct on Mark, l won't argue that.
Nor will l argue your comment on Fani,
"Fani Willis is coming for..."
Bliss
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I am very aware of Florida’s Amendment 4 ballot measure.
And exactly why individual States should decide through its constituents.
If they agree, they mark YES and abortion remains as it is. Those that want tighter restrictions will be SOL. Oh well. That's how our system is set up.
I've only ever heard Trump say up to 12 weeks, like in Europe. And Melania is pro-abortion, so l doubt he endorses 6 weeks and no abortion pills through the mail. But l will look on YT.
Bliss
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I never said a thing of THEIR ( The Heritage Foundation's) motive. They are a conservative think tank, with zero ties to Trump's presidential campaign.So let me get this right . . . you think those former Trump administration officials wrote out a 922 page MAGA manifesto for which JD Vance wrote the FOREWORD . . . and they did it for chuckles and giggles?!?!?
Here is his official statement and l respect it.
Trump posted to Truth Social:
“I know nothing about Project 2025....“I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and (infact) some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal."
Young Herschel
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ROTFLMAO
. You know she should have never hired him but he did the damn thang in Cobb County GA. It was Nathan Wade's skillful investigation that secured the guilty pleas of everyone but Cathy Latham who must be on the verge of a nervous breakdown tonight lol. If Trump loses . . . she is going to wish she had turned STATE too. There are no future plea deals coming out of the Fulton County District Attorney's Office . . . the way is shut in my Fellowship of the Rings voice.Young Herschel
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Words are wind . . . Donald John Trump is an indicted felon so his credibility and character are suspect. He would also tell you that he never cheated on any of his wives if you would believe him.
Young Herschel
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Florida Amendment 4 has failed to reach the required threshold of 60% so Donald Trump has his six week abortion ban without the three exceptions. He owns it now as his vote was his voice!!
Bliss
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Oh, l got that one wrong. I thought it left current rights in place.
l 100% disagree with 6 weeks, the Floridians screwed themselves. When you consider how many are recent transplants from other states, it's shocking.
Q..Did Trump really win Miami-Dade county? Am l watching correctly?
Young Herschel
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Congratulations to Donald John Trump and his immediate as well as extended family.
I am officially working on the Senator Mark Kelly 2028 campaign!! This loss was a conscious and comprehensive decision on the part of Kamala Harris. She met with Governor Josh Shapiro and Senator Mark Kelly . . . then she brought back Governor Tim Walz all out the back (SMDH). Two leftist liberals cannot win the Presidency apparently . . .
Whatever juice they gave President Joe Biden before his State of the Union address . . . they should have made sure to give him again 10 minutes before that first and only Presidential debate with Donald Trump. Monster Nitro with some power pills could have prevented all of this BS lol
Senator Mark Kelly for POTUS in 2028!!!!
A moderate Democrat from Essex County, NJ . . . the twin son of two Essex County Police Officers. Decorated War veteran who successfully flew over 37 combat missions in Desert Storm. Recruited by NASA along with his twin brother and twice elected by the moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats of Arizona . . . a United States Senator with CREDIBILITY on illegal immigration and border security the likes of which Vice-president Kamala Harris never could manifest sadly
I am officially working on the Senator Mark Kelly 2028 campaign!! This loss was a conscious and comprehensive decision on the part of Kamala Harris. She met with Governor Josh Shapiro and Senator Mark Kelly . . . then she brought back Governor Tim Walz all out the back (SMDH). Two leftist liberals cannot win the Presidency apparently . . .
Whatever juice they gave President Joe Biden before his State of the Union address . . . they should have made sure to give him again 10 minutes before that first and only Presidential debate with Donald Trump. Monster Nitro with some power pills could have prevented all of this BS lol
Senator Mark Kelly for POTUS in 2028!!!!
A moderate Democrat from Essex County, NJ . . . the twin son of two Essex County Police Officers. Decorated War veteran who successfully flew over 37 combat missions in Desert Storm. Recruited by NASA along with his twin brother and twice elected by the moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats of Arizona . . . a United States Senator with CREDIBILITY on illegal immigration and border security the likes of which Vice-president Kamala Harris never could manifest sadly
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Peach State Scholar
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Congratulations to Donald John Trump and his immediate as well as extended family.
I am officially working on the Senator Mark Kelly 2028 campaign!! This loss was a conscious and comprehensive decision on the part of Kamala Harris. She met with Governor Josh Shapiro and Senator Mark Kelly . . . then she brought back Governor Tim Walz all out the back (SMDH). Two leftist liberals cannot win the Presidency apparently . . .
Whatever juice they gave President Joe Biden before his State of the Union address . . . they should have made sure to give him again 10 minutes before that first and only Presidential debate with Donald Trump. Monster Nitro with some power pills could have prevented all of this BS lol
Senator Mark Kelly for POTUS in 2028!!!!
A modern Democrat from Essex County, NJ . . . the twin son of two Essex County Police Officers. Decorated War veteran who successfully flew over 37 combat missions in Desert Storm. Recruited by NASA along with his twin brother and twice elected by the moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats of Arizona . . . a United States Senator with CREDIBILITY on illegal immigration and border security the likes of which Vice-president Kamala Harris never could manifest sadly
The Democrats couldn't have handled this worse, really. If Biden had agreed to step down years ago and not at the 11th hour, we probably could have found a stronger candidate than Harris. I voted for her and I gladly would again. but I'm only one person.
What is interesting to me is how well Trump did with Latino men, especially in swing states. The Democrats are going to have to have a serious come-to-Jesus meeting after this one. Otherwise, they're going to be wandering the political wilderness for a very long time.
Thump
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I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not. This is like one of those championship games when the better team makes too many mistakes and the other team takes advantage to win. Biden should have dropped out a year ago. They should have had a full primary and run a middle-of-the-road pro-border security, Israel-critical candidate. Or at least they should have run Kamala through a process that made the people feel like they chose her, instead of her being chosen for us.
Some people are going to see this defeat as a rebuke of the idea of a black female president, I don't agree with that. I think we could easily have a black/minority female president, but it's going to have to happen organically like Obama, not installed by party leaders, and pushed through the back door.
The thing a lot of people forget about Obama, was that he was not the Democratic party's DEI candidate when he was nominated. Before Obama even announced that he was running, the DNC was ready to install Hillary as their barrier-breaking candidate. Obama however, overcame the DNC machine and made himself the best candidate for the job despite his demographics. The key to his success was the full primary season when the American people got to know him and see how he handled himself after victories and setbacks. In my opinion pushing the Black/Asian woman thing against a guy like Trump was a bad call, independent white guys needed a reason to identify with Kamala, they needed to "overcome" her gender and race and find a reason to see her as presidential. When Obama ran in 2008 he smartly acknowledged his groundbreaking campaign but he didn't let them put him in the "black candidate" box. He made sure his campaign transitioned all of that identity stuff.
Some people are going to see this defeat as a rebuke of the idea of a black female president, I don't agree with that. I think we could easily have a black/minority female president, but it's going to have to happen organically like Obama, not installed by party leaders, and pushed through the back door.
The thing a lot of people forget about Obama, was that he was not the Democratic party's DEI candidate when he was nominated. Before Obama even announced that he was running, the DNC was ready to install Hillary as their barrier-breaking candidate. Obama however, overcame the DNC machine and made himself the best candidate for the job despite his demographics. The key to his success was the full primary season when the American people got to know him and see how he handled himself after victories and setbacks. In my opinion pushing the Black/Asian woman thing against a guy like Trump was a bad call, independent white guys needed a reason to identify with Kamala, they needed to "overcome" her gender and race and find a reason to see her as presidential. When Obama ran in 2008 he smartly acknowledged his groundbreaking campaign but he didn't let them put him in the "black candidate" box. He made sure his campaign transitioned all of that identity stuff.
Peach State Scholar
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I agree with everything you said. The lack of a primary really hurt, especially since she was largely invisible as VP. Despite having been there for four years it felt like she came out of nowhere.
In my last year of grad school in '08 me and some classmates/friends of mine volunteered for the Obama campaign at the local level. One thing that he did was spend a lot of time making himself known to people by the time he got the nomination. He also had an especially well run political machine at all levels, which I think helped too.
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Senator Mark Kelly for POTUS in 2028!!!!
A modern Democrat from Essex County, NJ . . . the twin son of two Essex County Police Officers. Decorated War veteran who successfully flew over 37 combat missions in Desert Storm. Recruited by NASA along with his twin brother and twice elected by the moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats of Arizona . . . a United States Senator with CREDIBILITY on illegal immigration and border security the likes of which Vice-president Kamala Harris never could manifest sadly
Unfortunately I don't believe that elections will even exist anymore in 2028. This may have been the very last we'll ever see in our country's history.
Bliss
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I saw Kelly interviewed on Fox News last week. Very cordial interview. But l think Shapiro will be his nemesis. And what about CA Gov, Cary Grant? Pelosi is surely sharpening her fangs to get her blood relative in the WH.Congratulations to Donald John Trump and his immediate as well as extended family.
I am officially working on the Senator Mark Kelly 2028 campaign!! This loss was a conscious and comprehensive decision on the part of Kamala Harris. She met with Governor Josh Shapiro and Senator Mark Kelly . . . then she brought back Governor Tim Walz all out the back (SMDH). Two leftist liberals cannot win the Presidency apparently . . .
Whatever juice they gave President Joe Biden before his State of the Union address . . . they should have made sure to give him again 10 minutes before that first and only Presidential debate with Donald Trump. Monster Nitro with some power pills could have prevented all of this BS lol
Senator Mark Kelly for POTUS in 2028!!!!
A moderate Democrat from Essex County, NJ . . . the twin son of two Essex County Police Officers. Decorated War veteran who successfully flew over 37 combat missions in Desert Storm. Recruited by NASA along with his twin brother and twice elected by the moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats of Arizona . . . a United States Senator with CREDIBILITY on illegal immigration and border security the likes of which Vice-president Kamala Harris never could manifest sadly
Bliss
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What made you cry? Surely not Kamala..stayed home from class this morning and cried. glad that’s overwith. now it’s time to get back to work
Young Herschel
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Governor Newsome will surely be one of the favorites but he will suffer from the same anti-California leftist backlash that Harris has. He can duke it out with Governor Shapiro and the Maryland Governor in 2028 but I'm putting my money on Senator Mark Kelly for the top of the ticket. Shapiro should be seasoned enough by then to serve as VP. I thought he was too green for the slot this summer honestly. Whoever gets the nomination I can assure you . . . the moderate middle will be mandatory.