Trayvon Martin's Murder

The Dark Knight said:
Did I actually comment on the story? Check it out
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So basically you're saying that you entered the thread but didn't bother to read/comprehend what it was about?...but still posted 19 times? :p

Hmmmm....

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andreboba said:
No Bliss, that's not accurate.

EMT were in route and told by Sanford PD on the scene a second ambulance was not needed,( The first one was for Trayvon).

Zimmerman had his wounds treated in the back of a squad car....
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Bliss said:
Ah, ok, I stand corrected.
The article I read was when it first broke and that's what they had reported. (what I wrote).
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Ok, now I'm not sure what happened. I keep coming across what I originally stated - police saying paramedics treated him. Where did you find that he was treated by cops in their cruiser?


Zimmerman was treated at the scene by paramedics, then cuffed and driven in a police cruiser to the Sanford police station. He was questioned for hours and later released. In police surveillance video obtained last month by ABC News Zimmerman's wounds are not apparent, and there were no bandages on his head.
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Police said Zimmerman, who has been charged with second-degree murder in the racially charged case, was bleeding from the nose and the back of his head and was treated by medics before being taken to Sanford police station after the February 26 shooting.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...e-zimmerman-canceled-dispatch-recordings-say/


I don't know exactly what happened, excuse me for the correction. My main point was than the second ambulance was called off because it wasn't needed.

Zimmerman and his supporters have put forth the narrative that he was gravely wounded in this confrontation, yet he never went to ER and never required a separate EMT or even a single bandage on his head.

If you have a bloody cut on the back of your head, I can't imagine a circumstance where a medical professional would basically say, 'no, you're good'.
 
andreboba said:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...e-zimmerman-canceled-dispatch-recordings-say/


I don't know exactly what happened, excuse me for the correction. My main point was than the second ambulance was called off because it wasn't needed.

Zimmerman and his supporters have put forth the narrative that he was gravely wounded in this confrontation, yet he never went to ER and never required a separate EMT or even a single bandage on his head.

If you have a bloody cut on the back of your head, I can't imagine a circumstance where a medical professional would basically say, 'no, you're good'.
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I am in total agreement with you.

I do recall reading (in a much earlier article) that he DECLINED an offer to be transported to the ER for examination, but frankly with the HIPPA Laws and such, not even sure if we will ever know the exact treatment/questions unless GZ waives a right to his medical privacy.
 
BTW Andraeboba

Just to touch on the witness who took the pic...I had posted the PDF of the Affidavit in the Trayvon thread...

In case anyone is interested/or has not seen it...

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam...george-zimmerman-probable-cause-affadavit.pdf
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Now, I had read that witnesses said GZ put the gun on the ground and his arms up. Yet the AFDVT said cops recovered it from his holster. (Weird that he had the presence of mind to consciously do that, no?)

So now reading that, I am more in line with you that as an eyewitness, I would personally be weary to approach him if he had the gun on him, forget taking his pic!
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*(ps: I found out the cell pic was taken 3 minutes after the shooting)
 
paniro187 said:
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paniro187 said:
I think i was better keeping out of all these threads since I'm the minority here.. I'll say this. I'm not oblivious to racism. I think the disconnect between me and you and others here is i don't feel it happens as much as you people think. My logic takes me down every other avenue before I call it racism or prejudice. That's all.

that's not to say my logic is better or worse but it works for me. I guess I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
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paniro187 said:
No slant to that article at all.
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orejon4 said:
Saturday, April 21, 2012
George Zimmerman's Non-Apology to Trayvon Martin's Family: I Am Sorry For Your Loss and That Your Son Ran Into a Bullet Which I Fired

George Zimmerman was quite the contrite killer during his bond hearing. In an act of great self-sacrifice and generosity he took the stand and offered up the following apology to the family of the murdered Trayvon Martin:

Zimmerman, 28, appeared in court in a dark suit and gray tie, and, in a surprising move, took the stand. There, in a voice verging on meek, he apologized to the family of Trayvon Martin, the 17-year-old he admits he shot—but only, he says, in self-defense.

“I wanted to say I am sorry for the loss of your son,” he said to the parents, who attended the hearing in the central Florida city of Sanford, where the shooting took place. “I did not know how old he was. I thought he was a little bit younger than I am, and I did not know if he was armed or not.”

As a student of language and semiotics, I would suggest that the latter part of Zimmerman's statement is particularly rich with meaning. Context is key to the analysis of language. Language also constructs meaning through unstated assumptions shared by speaker and audience; oftentimes a speaker--here being Zimmerman--can run into a crisis of communication when the listener does not share his unstated priors and worldview.

Zimmerman is part of a collective consciousness that views all black people as adults regardless of their age. Because African Americans, especially men, have no right to self-defense in their person against White authority (it is rarely mentioned that Trayvon Martin had every right to "stand his ground") all bets are off. Zimmerman is working through this logic as he basically suggests that if Martin were younger, then the presumption of being armed and dangerous may not have applied.

However, because common sense dictates that all black men are armed, at all times, and have the magical ability to transform harmless objects into guns or knives, Zimmerman was acting under a reasonable person's standard of behavior. Anyone approaching a black man would naturally assume that the latter was especially and uniquely capable of deadly force. Thus, Zimmerman's appeal to shared community norms is a basic one: anyone in his position would have reasonably and naturally assumed that a black teenager wearing a hooded sweatshirt in the rain and carrying a bag of candy is an imminent and deadly threat.

Zimmerman's statement of "apology" to Trayvon Martin's family is one of the most honest and pronounced distillations of the White Gaze and its debased view of black humanity which we as a country have witnessed in many years. If one ever wondered about the existential dilemma faced by black masculinity in American society, or was searching for an object lesson in how black folks are "niggerized," look no farther than George Zimmerman's "apology" for committing murder.

Zimmerman can assault plain clothes cops, batter his fiancée, ignore police directives, stalk innocent people, carry a weapon in violation of his vaunted "black watch" rules, and shoot unarmed people without doubt or worry. Moreover, it takes a national uproar to even have him properly investigated and eventually arrested on suspicion of having committed murder. Let a black man do the same and see what happens. It does not take a leap of faith, or radical act of imagination, to understand how divergent the outcome would be.

Ultimately, Zimmerman is a murderous clown. As such, and in keeping with the national tragedy and three ring circus that is the color line in America, Zimmerman will find martyrdom as he is a stand-in for every white conservative ever accused of racism or racial bias. During the days and weeks to come, the script will be flipped as he becomes the object of a cause celebre. In this grotesque play, George Zimmerman is the good man done wrong by the system. Trayvon Martin is simply collateral damage.

Those blacks end up dead, in jail, or lying in the morgue for days unclaimed anyway. So what is the measure of a black man's life, one that is doomed to failure, against the shining star and bright future of "good" men like George Zimmerman?
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what is the slant? its a commentary. every commentary is a slant because its someones POV.

are you telling me that zimmerman didnt get the benefit of the doubt?
 
andreboba said:
This will all be cleared up during trial, but ABC News has purportedly received a 'photo' that was 'taken' by a witness on the scene, allegedly unaffiliated with law enforcement.
The story goes that this guy took this photo approximately 3 minutes after Trayvon Martin shooting and supposedly was told by Zimmerman to call his wife and tell her he 'shot someone'.

(Firstly, why would Zimmerman tell someone other than law enforcement to call his wife?? Why ask a stranger to do that?)

Anyway, here's the photo. My first impulse was that the photo was 'shopped because the blood trails looked odd. And the cut seemed more like a lateral laceration and not a blow to the back of the head. But again the photo could be legitimate, but it doesn't mean the shooting was self-defense.

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Gentlemen,
If someone did this to the back of my head, I would be doing extensive time
 
Still odd that Zimmerman didn't have a single bruise on his face, yet there was supposedly a major life threatening altercation.

Most people who get wounds to the back of their head don't even know until someone points it out to them, unless they have a concussion.
 
andreboba said:
Still odd that Zimmerman didn't have a single bruise on his face, yet there was supposedly a major life threatening altercation.

Most people who get wounds to the back of their head don't even know until someone points it out to them, unless they have a concussion.
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Andre,
I thought the report said he sustained a broken nose on his face...
 
andreboba said:
This will all be cleared up during trial,....

Anyway, here's the photo. My first impulse was that the photo was 'shopped because the blood trails looked odd. And the cut seemed more like a lateral laceration and not a blow to the back of the head. But again the photo could be legitimate, but it doesn't mean the shooting was self-defense.

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Ok, here is where the fight -- and death -- took place.

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"Here’s a photo I took of the area behind the homes in the Retreat at Twin Lakes — Martin’s body was found on the right, in the foreground in front of the white square.

The homes are right next to one another; the back porch is the easiest point of entry into any one of them. To enter the community, you needed to either hop a fence at a weak point and roam around, or enter a gate with a password. Zimmerman’s 911 calls, the records of which are now all available, informed the police of a lot of things that looked suspicious to him, but never panned out."
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Assuming the wound pic is legit, if we note where Tray was killed, it is closer to the walk-way than not - if GZ's head was hit on the curb of the cement/concrete, it may explain the straight line. I can't think of any other reason why the blood line is so straight and center.
 
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