Ol'Skool Classic
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orejon4
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Comics are moving forward: http://comicsalliance.com/archie-marries-valerie-baby-interracial-marriage/
How in the world is this moving forward?
Gay marriage and having relationships with black/colored women is not a way of moving forward.Show me the main white female having a baby with a genuine black male character, ONLY THEN we are moving forward.
Now their are many reasons for this rumor, if true, is a cause for moving forward:
http://screenrant.com/batman-vs-superman-lex-luthor-actor-denzel-washington-idris-elba/
http://screenrant.com/batman-vs-superman-lex-luthor-actor-denzel-washington-idris-elba/
Ol'Skool Classic
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Already been done with Luke Cage & Jessica Jones. But of course you have those who bitch because Luke Cage is too "hood/streetwise" & so doesn't count...........
Already been done with Luke Cage & Jessica Jones. But of course you have those who bitch because Luke Cage is too "hood/streetwise" & so doesn't count...........
There was an interracial romance in the comic book called Checkmate from DC comics in a story called The Fall Of The Wall(as in The Suicide Squad's Amanda Waller). There is a black hero named Mr. Terrific who before he was a crimefighter, was an Olympian and a millionaire -philanthopist who preached fair play. He and a female Meta-human fall in love. Check that one out.
Thump
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Speaking of the lack of forward progress.
Do any of you guys remember that there was a plan for Wonder Woman to lose her virginity to her black boyfriend?
In 2002 Wonder Woman writer Phil Jimenez was going to drop the bombshell on the comic community, but the story leaked early and the predictable shit hit the fan. So DC chickened out.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id
Do any of you guys remember that there was a plan for Wonder Woman to lose her virginity to her black boyfriend?
In 2002 Wonder Woman writer Phil Jimenez was going to drop the bombshell on the comic community, but the story leaked early and the predictable shit hit the fan. So DC chickened out.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id
MilkandCoffee
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Lex has always been potrayed as ambiguously black tbf. Sometimes fans even ask is he supposed to be black or white.
Thump
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I'm not sure that I'm comfortable with the image of a black star being the "evil" villain who has to fight a group of "righteous" white heroes.
Especially, because casting a big name black star in a major role, means he will probably be the only black major character in Batman Vs. Superman (secret Justice League)
However on the good side, is it is pretty difficult to marginalize a character when he is the main bad guy. Also Lex Luthor could end up being a recurring villian for future movies.
Morning Star
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Eh?How in the world is this moving forward?
Show me the main white female having a baby with a genuine black male character, ONLY THEN we are moving forward.
What difference would it make? Even if they were to cast a black person as Lex Luthor, people will focus on whether he can truly portray himself as a malignant and power-hungry adversary who hates Superman and other meta-humans.
Besides, Luthor is very intelligent and calculating villain, and if a black person plays that role, it would break some stereotypes beyond all that. Also, they could easily counteract that with having Amanda Waller just so the conspiracy race theorists won't feel shitted on.
Thump
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What difference would it make? Even if they were to cast a black person as Lex Luthor, people will focus on whether he can truly portray himself as a malignant and power-hungry adversary who hates Superman and other meta-humans.
Besides, Luthor is very intelligent and calculating villain, and if a black person plays that role, it would break some stereotypes beyond all that. Also, they could easily counteract that with having Amanda Waller just so the conspiracy race theorists won't feel shitted on.
I do like the idea of a sophisticated black villain. However the only way to really undercut the black vs. white subtext, would be to have a black heroes fighting along side the white heroes. Amanda Waller is not a hero and she is also the most ethically 'murky' character in the DC universe.
Morning Star
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Waller's only as murky as the government she works for. She's neutral for the most part, but has put her neck on the line for the Justice League, especially during the animated series and movies.
And really, it's all in your head. Unless they [the characters] emphasize Luthor's background, then there's no real reason why they need to add black characters to the hero roster, unless there's a legitimate reason to incorporate them into the story.
When I watched Blade, I never thought of a black guy beating the shit out white vampires. No...far from it. Just a guy who can kick some ass and not sporting some secret Black Power conspiracy.
And really, it's all in your head. Unless they [the characters] emphasize Luthor's background, then there's no real reason why they need to add black characters to the hero roster, unless there's a legitimate reason to incorporate them into the story.
When I watched Blade, I never thought of a black guy beating the shit out white vampires. No...far from it. Just a guy who can kick some ass and not sporting some secret Black Power conspiracy.
Thump
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C'mon man you know it's different when the bad guy is black. Black people are already unfairly linked to criminality. So a black villain can be seen as playing into a stereotype, much more then white villain would.
Like it or not, how the media portrays black people has real world effects on us. So it isn't unreasonable to pause and asses how a black vs white dynamic (even an unintentional one) in a major media event, might be perceived.
Look, my original statement is that I'm not SURE that i'm comfortable with the image. I'm not protesting or boycotting the movie. I think it's important however, to just keep an eye on things like this. No matter who they cast I'm probably going to go see it.
Morning Star
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You're correct on certain stereotypes being played of that nature, but it's not always the case. Still, it's a perceived notion coming from the back of your mind. A black guy playing Luthor is not the same as a gang member running a city with drugs, alcohol, and prostitution, which is heavily used in many mediums. He's not a Niño Brown nor a Omar Little. This is a megalomaniac who practically runs an entire city and can hide his operations in a high class society.
In the TAM yes, but he was just a dark Caucasoid modeled after a Greek actor (forgot his name). But because of his complexion and deep voice made people think he was black, and of course he was very menacing.
You forgot Fishbourne's Perry White being a significant character in the MoS universe (if he doesn't die, lol).
I would love a black actor to play Luthor. I don't think Denzel will do it though because of his age. You forget that villains are as loved by the fans as much or even more then the heroes (think the Joker and Magneto).
With that being said, I haven't seen a black main villain star in a big budget movie since Morris Chestnut's character in some Steven Segal flick. (oh wait, then their was Serenity). And he was hailed for that role in Serenity.
And Im sure they will add more diversity in Justice League by adding a ethnic Martian Manhunter (who was "black" in the cartoons), Cyborg, or John Stewart. One of them will appear. As a matter of fact JL is more diverse then the current X-Man, which I am NOT a fan of the movies.
What difference would it make? Even if they were to cast a black person as Lex Luthor, people will focus on whether he can truly portray himself as a malignant and power-hungry adversary who hates Superman and other meta-humans.
Besides, Luthor is very intelligent and calculating villain, and if a black person plays that role, it would break some stereotypes beyond all that. Also, they could easily counteract that with having Amanda Waller just so the conspiracy race theorists won't feel shitted on.
No matter who is casted, that will be the focus on his character. Can he portray a dark, menacing, sophisticated, intelligent, borderline crazy Machiavellian character hellbent on saving the world form meddling aliens in the same lines of David Xanatos and Jason Wynn? While being called a savior in the public eye? Who ever is casted the man needs some acting chops and a commanding presence. Denzel and Idris can provide that.
And for the second bold, indeed, that's why I am all for it.
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Morning Star
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True, that the first thing they'll notice is that he's black. But that's only initially until the release of the movie. When the acting credentials come to form, only then would people either be amazed or disappointed in how Luthor's being portrayed. The part of him being black would then be secondary or tertiary.
Thump
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Wait a minute, Diana had a black boyfriend!?
Details plz
It was in the previouse continuity. His name was Trevor Barns and they dated until he sacrificed himself to save....i don't know somthing.