Sexual Harassment/Assault Scandals

darkcurry said:
I understand not wanting things not getting derailed because some people do go on and on. lol. But this is interracial site for black men and white women it should be okay to mention and discuss about interracial representation in all forums. Just as long as things don't get derailed.
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I think, when discussing the many facets of “why this happened”, a conversation will often get derailed. The difference is, in real life, we treat it as an organic flow of discussion, but in forums, some get upset about such things. I suppose creating a thread with specific rules on dos and don’ts is necessary nowadays.

Or I suppose a separate thread is equally permissable. I mean, the title of this thread is about Hollywood sexual harassment, but people have mentioned sexual assault, rape, as well as specific movements and so on. Although it organically goes hand in hand with the current climate, it technically isn’t expressed in the title of the thread. So, it just depends on the thread I guess.
 
Madeleine said:
That’s exactly the point. Some people question the story of every single actress coming out with her story, but the real point is, why should there even be a a system putting a woman in the position of having to decide between “agreeing “ to sex for a job or burying her career? That’s what needs to be shaken up.
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Yeah, it's just so damn creepy and unsettling when I hear about these castingcouch stories. That should be in the contract of producers of not allowing to do that. But these women agreeing to do it and now all of a sudden regretting it and trying to call it something else are not innocent.

Moral of the story humans are TERRIBLE when they have power.
 
darkcurry said:
Yeah, it's just so damn creepy and unsettling when I hear about these castingcouch stories. That should be in the contract of producers of not allowing to do that. But these women agreeing to do it and now all of a sudden regretting it and trying to call it something else are not innocent.

Moral of the story humans are TERRIBLE when they have power.
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The victims don't have to be innocent for the perpetrators to be guilty.
 
Madeleine said:
That’s exactly the point. Some people question the story of every single actress coming out with her story, but the real point is, why should there even be a a system putting a woman in the position of having to decide between “agreeing “ to sex for a job or burying her career? That’s what needs to be shaken up.
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Does it though? We're talking about Hollywood. A purely transactional place where people are competing for million dollar roles to play make believe. Its rarely if ever merrit based so I find it difficult to feel sorry anyone in that realm. What constitutes as hard work in that business? Its usually a big combination of luck and likability. It was purely about ability Viola Davis Angela Basset and Michael K Williams should be the highest paid actors on earth but they aren't. This industry is completely the wrong focus for the movement
 
qaz1 said:
The victims don't have to be innocent for the perpetrators to be guilty.
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You're not a victim if you're not innocent. There are some people that are totally fine with trading sex for things. I wouldn't do it, but to each it's own. But to act like it was a form of rape now that you regret it is stretching the truth and making a mockery out of true rape victims and sets a dangerous precedent especially against black men in this country. You shouldn't be able to label a person a sexual predator just because you now regret having sex with them under your own consent. Some of these women are doing this because it's trendy and they don't want to get blasted by MeToo and TimesUp and have their careers end because of them. Which shows again moral of the story humans are TERRIBLE when they have power. lol.
 
darkcurry said:
You're not a victim if you're not innocent. There are some people that are totally fine with trading sex for things. I wouldn't do it, but to each it's own. But to act like it was a form of rape now that you regret it is stretching the truth and making a mockery out of true rape victims and sets a dangerous precedent especially against black men in this country. You shouldn't be able to label a person a sexual predator just because you now regret having sex with them under your own consent. Some of these women are doing this because it's trendy and they don't want to get blasted by MeToo and TimesUp and have their careers end because of them. Which shows again moral of the story humans are TERRIBLE when they have power. lol.
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No one cares about guilt they just want a pound of flesh. I've heard so many women say that even if innocent men have to go down its a small price to pay to put everyone on notice. No justice just vengeance and a power grab
 
The Dark King said:
No one cares about guilt they just want a pound of flesh. I've heard so many women say that even if innocent men have to go down its a small price to pay to put everyone on notice. No justice just vengeance and a power grab
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Yes. Ironic how these movements who are against men abusing power are abusing power themselves, huh? Smh.
 
darkcurry said:
Nope. I was being sarcastic. lol.
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I get it.

It is a politically and financially motivated business. Nothing more. When you look at it for what it really is, you become less surprised.

I expect the same hypocrisy from all white supremacist groups and movements. So, it kind of becomes amusing after a while. I wonder what the next thing they’ll use to create hysteria.
 
darkcurry said:
You're not a victim if you're not innocent. There are some people that are totally fine with trading sex for things. I wouldn't do it, but to each it's own. But to act like it was a form of rape now that you regret it is stretching the truth and making a mockery out of true rape victims and sets a dangerous precedent especially against black men in this country. You shouldn't be able to label a person a sexual predator just because you now regret having sex with them under your own consent. Some of these women are doing this because it's trendy and they don't want to get blasted by MeToo and TimesUp and have their careers end because of them. Which shows again moral of the story humans are TERRIBLE when they have power. lol.
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That isn't necessarily true at all. In fact, it's pretty much the definition of victim blaming. At best, it depends on your definition of innocent. The victim of a wrong doesn't need to be blameless to hold the perpetrator accountable.

You're making a bit of a straw man argument. If a woman is perfectly willing to trade sex for work, of course it's wrong (even criminal) of her to cry rape after the fact. I'm not arguing this. (But even in that case, the man in power is arguably abusing his power--though he isn't guilty of rape.)

However, in cases where women consent to sex for other reasons (compulsion, fear of retribution, etc.), the man in power may easily be guilty of a crime. Consent must be freely and soberly given to be valid. (I mean soberly in the sense that one must know what they're consenting to and do so without undue influence, not that one can never give consent if using drugs or alcohol)

This is why power must must be wielded so carefully. Having power increases responsibility, not entitlement. Just ask Spider-Man lol

If women are piling onto this movement to be trendy or relevant, that's on them. And it's beyond wrong, and they deserve to be exposed and prosecuted where appropriate. But that doesn't mean some, or even most, of the movement's targets aren't legitimate.

It's true that people in all sides of any issue can be awful. Every movement is flawed on this level to some degree, because people are people. Yes, that includes Black Lives Matter, the civil rights movement, and the women's suffrage movement.
 
The Dark King said:
No one cares about guilt they just want a pound of flesh. I've heard so many women say that even if innocent men have to go down its a small price to pay to put everyone on notice. No justice just vengeance and a power grab
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To the extent that people want vengeance instead of justice, they probably deserve neither.
 
meowkittenmeow said:
If you are looking for more than hypocrisy from feminism and their organizations, you are fooling yourself, bud.
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meowkittenmeow said:
I get it.

It is a politically and financially motivated business. Nothing more. When you look at it for what it really is, you become less surprised.

I expect the same hypocrisy from all white supremacist groups and movements. So, it kind of becomes amusing after a while. I wonder what the next thing they’ll use to create hysteria.
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People are making the same cynical, overgeneralized arguments against Black Lives Matter. This tactic is as old as the hills.

I'm not even saying feminist have it all right. I've got plenty of issues with them. But it's striking to me how we look just like the people we decry in some circumstances.
 
qaz1 said:
People are making the same cynical, overgeneralized arguments against Black Lives Matter. This tactic is as old as the hills.

I'm not even saying feminist have it all right. I've got plenty of issues with them. But it's striking to me how we look just like the people we decry in some circumstances.
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Black lives matter is a feminist organization that capitalized on issues that disproportionately affect black men, but erase us from their 12 guiding principles. This, leaving black women to speak for us. Something these same black feminists have argued against white feminists for. So, if the argument against both sounds similar, it is because they are both feminist, and both often silence black men or prefer women to speak for us. Two sides of the same coin.

The interesting thing, is black women will not stand for not being a part of every narrative, and if they are disproportionately affected, they will take center stage. The same cannot be said for black men when it comes to blm, it’s guiding principles, or anything led by feminists, but involving black men. My statement still stands. It may sound critical, but none of what I said is untrue.

I do, however, understand that you do not feel that way. Our opinions on these subjects will probably always differ. So, there is really no point in discussing it further as we won’t meet any common ground.

P.S. The replies were for dark curry.
 
meowkittenmeow said:
Black lives matter is a feminist organization that capitalized on issues that disproportionately affect black men, but erase us from their 12 guiding principles. This, leaving black women to speak for us. Something these same black feminists have argued against white feminists for. So, if the argument against both sounds similar, it is because they are both feminist, and both often silence black men or prefer women to speak for us. Two sides of the same coin.

The interesting thing, is black women will not stand for not being a part of every narrative, and if they are disproportionately affected, they will take center stage. The same cannot be said for black men when it comes to blm, it’s guiding principles, or anything led by feminists, but involving black men. My statement still stands. It may sound critical, but none of what I said is untrue.

I do, however, understand that you do not feel that way. Our opinions on these subjects will probably always differ. So, there is really no point in discussing it further as we won’t meet any common ground.

P.S. The replies were for dark curry.
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At this point, I'd say I still haven't fully grasped your position on the black woman/feminist issue more than I'd say I disagree with it. But perhaps we have reached a good end point for this discussion. Regardless, I do appreciate your sharing your views. I won't push it further
 
qaz1 said:
At this point, I'd say I still haven't fully grasped your position on the black woman/feminist issue more than I'd say I disagree with it. But perhaps we have reached a good end point for this discussion. Regardless, I do appreciate your sharing your views. I won't push it further
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It’s perfectly fine. I have posted a number of articles on the history of white supremacy in feminism, black matriarchy, current white supremacy within feminism and more (many written by black women and women of color). Others have posted articles on the eraser of black men and fathers from the blm movement. While others, myself included, have posted articles and studies about the number of black male child abuse victims and high childhood suicide rates for black male youths in respect to abusive black mothers.

I could go on and on, but the reality is that you may be a bit late to the party and would have to venture through multiple threads. I appreciate the manner in which you asked your questions. And if you really want to understand, a few google searches on the topics I recently expressed in the previous paragraph, may help. Enjoy your evening.

P.S. I will leave you with one final statement. I only hold black women, blm, and feminism as accountable as they wish to hold men and black men in general. Applying their same theories on predatory behavior, as well as many others often shows a very visible double standard.
 
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