Bookworm616
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I voted today. YAY!!
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Bookworm616
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Conservatives are literally the devil? Really? TDK, you can't possibly believe that drivel. You need to realize there are good things and bad things about BOTH parties.
Seriously, when you say stuff like that, how can anyone enter into any kind of discussion with you about politics? Your view of conservatives is just beyond ridiculous and beyond untrue.
http://townhall.com/columnists/john...-the-history-of-the-republican-party-n1520352
I thought Hillary was against legalizing Mary J? Or is that a position she continues to flip-flop on?
Hillary is against a weed.
You're surprised about his view of conservatives? Hillary called conservatives deplorables he is just following his leaders. He is no differently than a looney wacked out far right winger, he chooses party over country. The left can do no wrong. Everything left wing is rainbows and unicorns and any conservative view is "the devil".
Far right and far left people like him are what's seriously wrong with this country. They are party over country and are what's taking this country down a path it should never be on.
Bookworm616
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Yeah, I thought so, so that surprised me.
No, I'm not surprised by his views. But calling him out on his ridiculous anti-conservative views is something I'll do all of the time. It is BEYOND ridiculous to have that view of 1/3 of the population of the US.
And I completely agree. The uber liberals and uber conservatives are scary, scary people. Too many extremes makes this country a bad place. Which is why I am an independent. There are issues on both sides that I agree with and disagree with.
I wish for more moderates on both sides of the aisle.
samson1701
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I'm not going to say conservatives are evil. But, from a Christian stand point, they are the opposite of what they claim to be; the party of Christian morals and values. They seem to have zero understanding of the scriptures they claim to love so dearly.
On another note; am I the only one worries about what comes after Trump? If Trump looses it will be because of his own social incompetence. He just can't shut his pie hole. But, what about the next guy?
What about the candidate who thinks like Trump, inspires the same level ringht-wing fanaticism as Trump and is just as charismatic? Except, unlike Trump, this guy understands how to play the game. That's the guy (or girl) I'm worried about.
Win or lose, Trump's support base will still be out there and these people aren't gong anywhere. At some point the right candidate will come along and that person will pick up rght were Trump left off except he or she will have learned from Trump's mistakes. This is the person that scares me, ...a lot..
andreboba
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I don't wanna speak for TDK, but this example is what I think he's talking about in the difference between conservative and progressive politicians.
(A side not, ALL of you should see Micheal Moore's Where To Invade Next to see just how screwed up our way of 'doing things' in the U.S. really is.)
Obama, a moderate progressive, came into office his first term with ONE primary agenda on his desk the Oval Office, reform the health care system in this country and try to find an affordable way to cover millions of Americans without employer insurance, or who aren't covered by Medicaid.
The GOP has never introduced a serious plan to provide some kind of universal health coverage for Americans, and at every turn they have shot down any politician who tried to introduce such a bill.
Meanwhile all of Europe and Canada provides universal healthcare, paid for through income taxes.
Skip to 2016 and the cost of medical coverage for those under Obamacare is dramatically increasing. Obama's critics use this as proof of the folly and failure of the ACA.
See, they say. We were right. Obamacare was a bad idea.
But very few in the media step back and ask why Obamacare premiums have started to skyrocket.
Enter Marco Rubio, Republican Senator from FLA.
Since the ACA is a new healthcare exchange, the ACA had a 'risk corridor' provision where the government would help to bridge the costs for participating insurance companies for three years until they had signed up enough people to cover the cost of paying their medical bills through premiums.
RIght now for many participating health insurance companies, they don't have a threshold number of people signing up to cover the cost of providing coverage.
The draftees of the ACA anticipated this would be an issue under the first few years of Obamacare until more people were in the program.
However, Marco Rubio and the GOP hate the idea of expanded healthcare coverage for the millions of uninsured in this country. They hate that this POTUS ever got the ACA signed into law.
So Marco and the GOP finally discovered a way to torpedo the ACA without repealing it.
In 2014, the GOP passed a huge spending law into which Marco Rubio slipped in a provision that said the federal government would only pay a fraction of the money needed to cover the risk corridor of health insurance companies in the ACA.
A year and a half later....BOOM!!
The land mine blew up under the ACA and Obamacare health insurance companies have started raising their premiums to pay the cost of covering the insured.
Now, unless that provision passed into law by Rubio is overturned, Obamacare eventually will collapse.
This is the difference between progressives and conservatives, and don't let anyone tell you both parties are the same.
Obama believes healthcare is a RIGHT, like it is in most of the modern world.
The GOP doesn't believe 'affordable' and 'health care' should ever be in the same sentence, and instead of working with the POTUS to amend the ACA and make it more effective, the GOP is only concerned with crushing Obamacare and making BHO look like a failed president.
One party actually cares about PEOPLE.
The other one only cares about POWER.
(A side not, ALL of you should see Micheal Moore's Where To Invade Next to see just how screwed up our way of 'doing things' in the U.S. really is.)
Obama, a moderate progressive, came into office his first term with ONE primary agenda on his desk the Oval Office, reform the health care system in this country and try to find an affordable way to cover millions of Americans without employer insurance, or who aren't covered by Medicaid.
The GOP has never introduced a serious plan to provide some kind of universal health coverage for Americans, and at every turn they have shot down any politician who tried to introduce such a bill.
Meanwhile all of Europe and Canada provides universal healthcare, paid for through income taxes.
Skip to 2016 and the cost of medical coverage for those under Obamacare is dramatically increasing. Obama's critics use this as proof of the folly and failure of the ACA.
See, they say. We were right. Obamacare was a bad idea.
But very few in the media step back and ask why Obamacare premiums have started to skyrocket.
Enter Marco Rubio, Republican Senator from FLA.
Since the ACA is a new healthcare exchange, the ACA had a 'risk corridor' provision where the government would help to bridge the costs for participating insurance companies for three years until they had signed up enough people to cover the cost of paying their medical bills through premiums.
RIght now for many participating health insurance companies, they don't have a threshold number of people signing up to cover the cost of providing coverage.
The draftees of the ACA anticipated this would be an issue under the first few years of Obamacare until more people were in the program.
However, Marco Rubio and the GOP hate the idea of expanded healthcare coverage for the millions of uninsured in this country. They hate that this POTUS ever got the ACA signed into law.
So Marco and the GOP finally discovered a way to torpedo the ACA without repealing it.
In 2014, the GOP passed a huge spending law into which Marco Rubio slipped in a provision that said the federal government would only pay a fraction of the money needed to cover the risk corridor of health insurance companies in the ACA.
A year and a half later....BOOM!!
The land mine blew up under the ACA and Obamacare health insurance companies have started raising their premiums to pay the cost of covering the insured.
Now, unless that provision passed into law by Rubio is overturned, Obamacare eventually will collapse.
This is the difference between progressives and conservatives, and don't let anyone tell you both parties are the same.
Obama believes healthcare is a RIGHT, like it is in most of the modern world.
The GOP doesn't believe 'affordable' and 'health care' should ever be in the same sentence, and instead of working with the POTUS to amend the ACA and make it more effective, the GOP is only concerned with crushing Obamacare and making BHO look like a failed president.
One party actually cares about PEOPLE.
The other one only cares about POWER.
i agree on the first part like the video I posted though the left is just as venomous and against what they say they stand for, on opposing viewpoints.
The Christian Right is dangerous and yep I totally agree with that.
To the rest of your post. I replaced a name, cuts both ways.
andreboba
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No politician in modern history could have said what Trump has said this election cycle, flip flopped as much as he has on issues, or lack a complete understanding of public policy, and still be a contender for POTUS.
HRC is not the same difference as Donald Trump and part of the problem is some voters have become so jaded and lazy they can't recognize how radically different both candidates are.
When DOnald was given his first security briefing during the general election, it's alleged he asked at least 3(!) times why can't we use our nukes????
THe man simply isn't wired or dispositionally suited to be a public servant.
Being POTUS, conducting foreign policy and running a country isn't a zero sum game.
That's why it's so crazy when people think being a CEO is the same as being president.
We already know what kind of POTUS Hillary will be, somewhere between her husband and Barack. She won't start an unprovoked war or break the government.
The scary thing about Trump is if he runs the country the way he did his casinos and many failed business ventures, in addition to his vindictive nature and aversion to the truth, well we're all going to be in big trouble.
If Trump wins.
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Beasty
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The bill I voted for was state level. I don't expect it to be legal in the US anytime soon. Could care less really. Just want it to be legal in my state. :smt039
May sound a bit selfish but I don't care. This country has a long way to go on many issues and I won't spent my time and energy being concerned about them all. Trump being in the running for president is proof that I should step back and just focus on my own state sometimes.
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Trump supporters Cosign his sexual assaults by telling the victims to get over it.
www.esquire.com/lifestyle/sex/news/a50244/trump-supporters-dismiss-victims/
Talking about hypocrisy from both sides.
Remember when conservatives said "character counts" lol...that was funny
www.esquire.com/lifestyle/sex/news/a50244/trump-supporters-dismiss-victims/
Talking about hypocrisy from both sides.
Remember when conservatives said "character counts" lol...that was funny
Lmao that's pretty funny.
Peach State Scholar
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Meanwhile, here's a list of all the insults that Trump has thrown at people since he announced his candidacy last year.
I'd attach a PDF to this message but it would literally be too big to read.
Please stop with the false equivalences.
Meanwhile, you missed the posts in here of me calling trump a piece of shit and he's even more of a piece of shit than Hillary. But that's cool you got your liberal blinders on.......speak against Hillary = far right wing conservative, apparently.
Loki
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Just to be clear here Paniro, she was not calling all conservatives deplorables, she was talking specifically about a subset of Trump supporters. Her comments are accurate when you look at some of the hate groups that support Trump and the fact that in some instances he has been slow to denounce them.
"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”
in my opinion that's not a Presidential thing to say seeing as though that will be people you will be governing.
Peach State Scholar
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This is true, but at least she attempted to apologize for saying that. Admitting when you're wrong about something is a mature and Presidential thing to do.
Loki
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The way I see it, speaking out against such people/mindsets is very presidential. Shows some bravery and leadership, as such mindsets lead to nothing but hatred and often violence.
Is it presidential for trump in regards to the things he stated?