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Morning Star said:
That is irrelevant when women in places like the Middle East would have to hide their raping, lest they'd be stoned to death for being penetrated before marriage, which is far more severe, mentally and emotionally than isolated incidents involving a police officer shooting someone here. And if they don't get killed, then their rapist can literally go scott free and she would have to fear for her life.
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You don't find it weird that in order to make your point you had to move a national argument international?
Do we have to compare all the young bm made into child soldiers, the countless amount sold into modern day slavery to mine tin.
Look this entire conversation started because GL said that ww put themselves at risk and made their lives harder for dating bm. Raider disagreed and said she didn't see how her life as a ww (which is an incredibly important distinction) was difficult. As someone who not only dates bm but has essentially black children she sees first hand that her personal struggles aren't as arduous. From there we had to play this game of qualification. Conversations like this really reveal how little hope we have at times because progressives can't even agree. We can't just say treat everyone like equals and mean it. When bad shit happens most people stay silent and give their consent. Anyway proceed with your insults you guys got this one.
 
goodlove said:
http://politicalmoll.com/texas-judge-gives-admitted-rapist-light-sentence-says-victim-promiscuous/
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I think you misunderstood. I was looking for a website where the public is donating money to keep a rapist out of jail the way they did with Darren Wilson and George Zimmerman. Where the public is wearing t-shirts saying I am (insert name of rapist here)
Like I said before when a crime is state sanctioned and publicly cheered it says a lot about the plight of those people.
 
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goodlove said:
Lol...i agree on every point. I think yes ww have advantages compared to bm. However they do have challenges also....such as discrimination (wages and the like) and getting hell for dating bm.

I understand about the point about over politeness but you can be polite and disagree.

I think some times we can be overly sensitive....it gets old with all the ugliness.
Joking around is cool...like these foul georgia bull dog fans...they have to go.

All done in my skip bayless voice of first take
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RaiderLL said:
Ooooo since is gonna get uuuuu! Lol :)

I don't think the majority of ww "get hell" for dating bm though. Some areas of the country are worse than others, no doubt, but it's not like it probably was back in your younger years :p

Lol just messing with you GL :freehug:
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MS: This is what tdk is referring to...

Tdk....you are missing the whole point. No one is pulling out the oppression measuring stick.

What is being stated or attempted to be stated that the ww's walk in oppression should be recognized while it is different ......oppression is oppression.
 
The Dark King said:
I think you misunderstood. I was looking for a website where the public is donating money to keep a rapist out of jail the way they did with Darren Wilson and George Zimmerman. Where the public is wearing t-shirts saying I am (insert name of rapist here)
Like I said before when a crime is state sanctioned and publicly cheered it says a lot about the plight of those people.
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No need.. you was trying to narrow what someone said about womens oppression...hell when one woman got ganged raped in the 80's they blamed her for looking slutty ...they made a movie about it.
Women go thru that stuff all the time.
 
The Dark King said:
I think you misunderstood. I was looking for a website where the public is donating money to keep a rapist out of jail the way they did with Darren Wilson and George Zimmerman. Where the public is wearing t-shirts saying I am (insert name of rapist here)
Like I said before when a crime is state sanctioned and publicly cheered it says a lot about the plight of those people.
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Both sides of the ferguson debacle have donated money to their cause without actually knowing the facts of the case

Mike brown has the potential to be a fool who tried to take a cops sidearm in a struggle, get shot, run away, then turn around to finish what he started

Darren wilson has the potential to be some shitbag cop who couldn't take a punch and decided it was best to just kill a mothafucka because he got his feelings hurt

Both sides have witnesses who support what they believed happen, with people just shelling out money along color lines

Without knowing what really went down, I'd say they're all stupid
 
RaiderLL said:
I think being white affords me the fewest challenges of probably all women. Personally, I make more than the men I know in my position so I have no experience with wage issues that some women face. I honestly won't even sit here and bs you on "women's challenges" because I think it distracts from my point that the issues bm face in this country far surpass any "injustice" I may experience as a ww.
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goodlove said:
It doesnt distracts at all...your challenges as a ww is just different from ours .... our journeys are different but its great because it gives a different perspective on issues.
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RaiderLL said:
All challenges aren't created equal though. Being a ww in america isn't a bad set up, trust me. You might be giving our "challenges" more credit than they deserve ;)

It's great to respect that we all deal with something, but don't trivialize what bm deal with on a daily basis just to try to show support to ww. That's all I'm saying.



I know no other way :smt058
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No this is what I was referring to
 
pettyofficerj said:
Both sides of the ferguson debacle have donated money to their cause without actually knowing the facts of the case

Mike brown has the potential to be a fool who tried to take a cops sidearm in a struggle, get shot, run away, then turn around to finish what he started

Darren wilson has the potential to be some shitbag cop who couldn't take a punch and decided it was best to just kill a mothafucka because he got his feelings hurt

Both sides have witnesses who support what they believed happen, with people just shelling out money along color lines

Without knowing what really went down, I'd say they're all stupid
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Dude I personally can't tell you what happened but what the cops did afterwards and how a lot of the public has supported it speaks volume.
 
The Dark King said:
Dude I personally can't tell you what happened but what the cops did afterwards and how a lot of the public has supported it speaks volume.
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The way the public supported mike brown being labeled a 'gentle giant' speaks volume too

Be real

He shoved a store owner on camera over god knows what, and disobeyed an officer over jaywalking (fuck da police obviously)

Cut the crap
 
The Dark King said:
No this is what I was referring to
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You are zoning in on what one WW thinks about HER life...other women on the forum speak on a broader spectrum for all women...there is a difference...some people are very much only interested in the four walls they live and work in...or their immediate neighborhood...city ...state...there is a bigger picture to women's struggles...have you ever noticed that we do not post every time a WW is killed...kidnapped...raped...if we did this place would be littered with news stories...it happens so often that we barely flinch

Women's struggles in no way shape or form takes away from the American BM..no one is trying to discount or measure except for you
 
I think you're holding the "Woe-Is-Me-I'm-Black" mentality a bit too far and not looking at how far we've come. Yes, I've brought this on a world perspective as opposed to just a national thing. When you look at the hardships women have compared to blacks, even in many African nations and Middle Eastern countries, women tend to have it fairly badly, so don't get disingenuous. Even in the United States, with something as specific as prenatal health, targeting women by restrictive abortion access, it's showing that there are some hardships being a woman in even first world nations.

As for Raider, she's an individual case as oppose to speaking for the entire white female population. On her end, based on her location, attitude, and sex appeal, she, as a person, managed to walk into the world that is generally dick-centric and can play within their games and manage to rise through it, however incremental it may be. Not ever person has that shared experience, especially when you're a woman who don't fit a certain label of attraction.

If we look for the commonalities as opposed to diminishing the problems everybody, both black men and white women, face on a daily basis, then perhaps we could actually move forward and rise above it rather than holding a woe-is-me mentality.

The Dark King said:
You don't find it weird that in order to make your point you had to move a national argument international?
Do we have to compare all the young bm made into child soldiers, the countless amount sold into modern day slavery to mine tin.
Look this entire conversation started because GL said that ww put themselves at risk and made their lives harder for dating bm. Raider disagreed and said she didn't see how her life as a ww (which is an incredibly important distinction) was difficult. As someone who not only dates bm but has essentially black children she sees first hand that her personal struggles aren't as arduous. From there we had to play this game of qualification. Conversations like this really reveal how little hope we have at times because progressives can't even agree. We can't just say treat everyone like equals and mean it. When bad shit happens most people stay silent and give their consent. Anyway proceed with your insults you guys got this one.
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As for the Michael Brown bit, the kid was a criminal, plain and simple. And from there, juvenile attitudes took over a meaningless protest.

The Dark King said:
I think you misunderstood. I was looking for a website where the public is donating money to keep a rapist out of jail the way they did with Darren Wilson and George Zimmerman. Where the public is wearing t-shirts saying I am (insert name of rapist here)
Like I said before when a crime is state sanctioned and publicly cheered it says a lot about the plight of those people.
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lippy said:
You are zoning in on what one WW thinks about HER life...other women on the forum speak on a broader spectrum for all women...there is a difference...some people are very much only interested in the four walls they live and work in...or their immediate neighborhood...city ...state...there is a bigger picture to women's struggles...have you ever noticed that we do not post every time a WW is killed...kidnapped...raped...if we did this place would be littered with news stories...it happens so often that we barely flinch

Women's struggles in no way shape or form takes away from the American BM..no one is trying to discount or measure except for you
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Well with everything else taken away from us.....freedom, civil rights, jobs, quality education.......hip hop music...........you can't blame him for wanting to at least keep the title of Americas number 1 victim
 
Morning Star said:
I think you're holding the "Woe-Is-Me-I'm-Black" mentality a bit too far and not looking at how far we've come. Yes, I've brought this on a world perspective as opposed to just a national thing. When you look at the hardships women have compared to blacks, even in many African nations and Middle Eastern countries, women tend to have it fairly badly, so don't get disingenuous. Even in the United States, with something as specific as prenatal health, targeting women by restrictive abortion access, it's showing that there are some hardships being a woman in even first world nations.

As for Raider, she's an individual case as oppose to speaking for the entire white female population. On her end, based on her location, attitude, and sex appeal, she, as a person, managed to walk into the world that is generally dick-centric and can play within their games and manage to rise through it, however incremental it may be. Not ever person has that shared experience, especially when you're a woman who don't fit a certain label of attraction.

If we look for the commonalities as opposed to diminishing the problems everybody, both black men and white women, face on a daily basis, then perhaps we could actually move forward and rise above it rather than holding a woe-is-me mentality.



As for the Michael Brown bit, the kid was a criminal, plain and simple. And from there, juvenile attitudes took over a meaningless protest.
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Well stated
 
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