Movies with BM/WW Couples

[ColiBreh1]

Just watched the movie "Secret in Their Eyes" starring Chiwetel Ejiofor & Nicole Kidman, last night.

This might be the first time I ever watched a movie where the Male & Female leads who are also each other Love Interests, never get together. Not only do they never get together, they never kiss/makeout. Only a goodbye kiss on the cheek.

What makes it worse is that Chiwetel Ejiofor & Nicole Kidman's romantic chemistry is a big part of the movie (both in the current time & in the flashbacks). It'd been fine if their romantic interests in each other had only been subtle, but it wasn't. It was a big part of the movie.

The whole thing about Nicole Kidman being engaged/married just seems like it was thrown in after the movie was shot to avoid Chiwetel & Nicole getting together onscreen. I'm especially suspicious this is the case after see that their makeout scene was cut out of the movie.

It's like many people pushing for diversity in film say, The film industry still have a long way to go. But with Mainstream Actresses like Margot Robbie, Naomi Watts, Jennifer Connelly, and a couple Films with an Interracial bm/ww coupling coming out this year (i don't know how many exactly.) It seems to be coming.

You are going to get filmmakers steering away from it like the "secret in their eyes" filmmakers here and there. But as long as it's coming like the buzz around "A United Kingdom" is that it's getting oscar buzz. If that features kissing scene(s) that could be a big jump.

Rosamund Pike & David Oyelowo in "A United Kingdom"

I understand and have sympathy for the overall disappointment in these films and the possible socio-political factors (clears throat: Racism) that play into how scenes are edited, but we also have to allow for filmmakers to make their choices. I saw "the secrets in their eyes" and sometimes holding off on the physical expression of attraction heightens the tension (and this film being a thriller needs to maintain that). I thought these characters had made decisions in their lives to live cloistered and unrequited. It didn't bother me terribly, but I get your point.

A brotha on a Discord Server I participate in mentioned to me that Julia Roberts also voiced disagreement with the studio in an interview after the fact saying that she felt it was purely the studio not having the balls that Chiwetel Ejiofor & Nicole Kidman didn't end up together.

He also mentioned that there are a lot of whispers in Hollywood that the reason Julia Roberts will never win a 2nd Oscar is because she publicly told people that it was racist that she could win an Oscar and be so popular for playing heroic characters and Denzel Washington couldn't win Oscars as easily. She's got too much clout for them to push her out and America loves her but she's pretty outspoken about the shade the industry throws at black men. When she did that movie with Chwitel Ejiofor & Nicole Kidman, the studio wanted her name to be the headline. But she refused because Ejiofor's character is the star of the film. She produced the movie, she could have done whatever she wanted but she made sure the black man got his due credit. For that Roberts is always cool in his book.


I guess you can add Julia Roberts to the same category with Sally Field.

 

[darkcurry]

A brotha on a Discord Server I participate in mentioned to me that Julia Roberts also voiced disagreement with the studio in an interview after the fact saying that she felt it was purely the studio not having the balls that Chiwetel Ejiofor & Nicole Kidman didn't end up together.

He also mentioned that there are a lot of whispers in Hollywood that the reason Julia Roberts will never win a 2nd Oscar is because she publicly told people that it was racist that she could win an Oscar and be so popular for playing heroic characters and Denzel Washington couldn't win Oscars as easily. She's got too much clout for them to push her out and America loves her but she's pretty outspoken about the shade the industry throws at black men. When she did that movie with Chwitel Ejiofor & Nicole Kidman, the studio wanted her name to be the headline. But she refused because Ejiofor's character is the star of the film. She produced the movie, she could have done whatever she wanted but she made sure the black man got his due credit. For that Roberts is always cool in his book.


I guess you can add Julia Roberts to the same category with Sally Field.

Kind Of The same with Charlize Theron she had a kissing scene in Hancock and it was cut out of the movie and a sex scene with Idris Elba and it didn't even make the deleted scenes. Yeah it is some of these white men in Hollywood that carry themselves as Slavemasters in a way. Black Men and White Women are a no, no. White Men and women of any race is okay.

 

[darkcurry]

Just seen Mudbound about an hour ago. Dee Rees told the IR part of the story wonderfully I just wished she would of pulled the trigger of displaying their love especially if underlying, subplot story of this film was going to become the IR love story in the midst of racial tragedy that they made it. I understand not every love story needs a love scene, but then again it makes sense because love is an act(get it. lol.) Plus love scenes(kissing, sex) between a black man and a white woman is still a line that some films to this day don't want to "offend" by crossing. Hollywood has a continued long shown discomfort with interracial couples. She did make the love scene with the affair that took place with the white people which is kind of backwards, you guys get what I'm saying? But something tells me she would have pulled the trigger being as though of how wonderful she told that part of the story, maybe it got deleted or wasn't her decision.

Regardless this film overall was pretty good! @JamalSpunky I have an idea why Mary J Blidge is getting more hype. The two soldiers played by Jason Mitchell and Garrett Hedlund should get best supporting acting Oscar nods, they were outstanding! Mary was great too and I would give her nod, but for her to be the main one ties into the reason why Idris Elba is getting no love especially by most of the award shows so far for his turn in Molly's Game. This women's movement in hollywood's racial tone is that if a black man isn't gay or playing gay expect very little hype and push especially from famous women. Because they believe in hollywood we apart of the problem with powerful white men, the same powerful white men that are also complicit in hollywood's racial diversity issues. Jordan Peele is the only straight black man you hear a lot of buzz about.

But in the midst of the madness and negative underlying tones it was pretty good progress for IR in film and tv in 2017. I give it a B-.

 

[ColiBreh1]

This video popped up on my YouTube dashboard:

The video felt like a @The Dark King, @darkcurry, or @JamalSpunky rant in this thread.

But is he wrong? That shit was 100% on point. Seriously can you think of any good loving relationships with a black man in it these days?

I wholeheartedly agree with the brotha lol. How were Dixon & Ivy portrayed after the S2 finale of "90210"? I've NEVER . . .NOT EVER seen a prominent successful "Black & Blonde" teen relationship on any show before "DIVY" so RRKS the executive producer has Dixon violate his core values and abandon Ivy (a prime prospect for predators) in AUSTRALIA for 91 nights of negligence . . . Dixon's duty to defend her from dangers clear & present be DAMNED!!!!
They evolved into a ratings asset and potential power couple by the S2 finale and surely would grow stronger thru the summer in AUSTRALIA. Damn RRKS damn her immortal soul to hello for insulting our intelligence with such character & personality violation of a once great black character

Things look like they are getting better though. Weathering the storm a bit. We will see with these future IR relationships on screen now and others to come in 2018 with Cloak and Dagger and Life Sentence.

I felt he was bit off when he disscussed "Rosewood" & "Marvel's Jessica Jones", but the rest of the video was spot on.

I don't remember anybody in this thread mentioning Brian J. White's IR on USA Network's "Colony", so that's a new one I just learned about.

This is why there has to be either writers who are braver than most to have full control over their own stories or a new independent network has to be established.

@JamalSpunky





Do y'all think this brotha in the comments section is spot on?:

I haven't seen the new "Star Wars" film yet, but this week I'm seeing news that Alt-righters tanked the Rotten Tomatoes score:

Spoiler

I sense a disturbance in the Rotten Tomatoes reviews… Cenk Uygur, Brett Erlich, and Matt Atchity, hosts of The Young Turks, discuss. Tell us what you think in the comment section below.

Read more here: https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/12/1...

"A divide between movie audiences and critics happens all the time — especially with blockbusters.

Consider the recent case of Justice League, which brought together a bunch of big-name superheroes, to the delight of 79 percent of those who saw it and bothered to register their opinion on Rotten Tomatoes. Critics, however, only liked the film to the tune of a 40 percent score — a 39-point gap. There’s also 2016’s Suicide Squad, with a 26 percent score from critics and a 61 percent score from audiences, for a 35-point gap.

These gaps are normal. If you’ve bought a ticket for a movie — as opposed to having seen it at a free critics screening — you’re far more likely to have self-selected as a fan already, and thus, you’re far more likely to be into the movie. (If you were to make the argument that Rotten Tomatoes is a deeply flawed system at best and actively harmful to the future of criticism at worst, well, I wouldn’t stop you.)
So there’s a pattern. Critics savage a blockbuster. Audiences feel it’s better than its reputation. Rinse and repeat.”*

Hosts: Cenk Uygur, Brett Erlich, Matt Atchity

Cast: Cenk Uygur, Brett Erlich, Matt Atchity

Star Wars: The Last Jedi was released last week, and while most critics agree it’s a great movie, its Rotten Tomatoes score was a little wonky. At the time of this writing, the film has a 92 percent on the Tomatometer, which reflects an aggregation of the critics’ overwhelmingly positive reviews. However, the movie’s audience score, which takes into consideration the public consensus of the movie as opined online, is a pretty dismal 54 percent. Of course, The Last Jedi opened to considerable controversy, but even so, such a low audience score clashes with its $200 million box office earnings.

Now an alt-right internet group named "Down with Disney’s Treatment of Franchises and Its Fanboys" has claimed responsibility for an organized attack of negative reviews in an attempt to...well, to make the movie’s Rotten Tomatoes score low. A moderator for the group readily responded to a message from the HuffPost, and explained that the reason behind the attack stems from a growing dislike of the entire Star Wars franchise, particularly the introduction of more female characters. The moderator believes that men need to be “reinstated as rulers of society.”

Than today I'm hearing that white dudes online are angry with the Asian chick falling in love with Finn. This made me think back to Xanatos Clutch's comments. Shit is wild.

 

[darkcurry]

@JamalSpunky





Do y'all think this brotha in the comments section is spot on?:

I haven't seen the new "Star Wars" film yet, but this week I'm seeing news that Alt-righters tanked the Rotten Tomatoes score:

Spoiler

Than today I'm hearing that white dudes online are angry with the Asian chick falling in love with Finn. This made me think back to Xanatos Clutch's comments. Shit is wild.

I disagree a bit, although I do believe it to be a big problem and that is because that outside of mixed race black women aw/wm are white men's favorite kind of IR. I remember watching an old episode of Sea Hunt in the 80's when I was in High School and seen an asian woman and a white man kissing. An old episode of The Outer Limits had the same thing. But black men and white women are still their worse by the history and look at how hard they hit after Lauren Southern. The attacks on most IR couples have been bm/ww, wm/bw have been more accepted, less taboo and promoted in mainstream movies and tv shows with help of bw themselves. The Greatest Show On Earth is the third mainstream movie this year to have a wm and bw fall in love... Or is it the fourth?

I would say to the alt-righters yeah, maybe. But to those liberal racist they put bm/ww IR relationships as their worse. Which is why they involve some of those pairings with a love triangle mostly involving a white man and still treat a love making scene between bm and ww as taboo.

 

[Skaddix]

@ColiBreh1

Honestly, TLJ is one of the rare movies that managed to piss off large dis congruent parts of the fanbase. I have seen pissed Liberals and pissed Racist

 

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@ColiBreh1

Honestly, TLJ is one of the rare movies that managed to piss off large dis congruent parts of the fanbase. I have seen pissed Liberals and pissed Racist

Your right, certain media outlets are spinning it as an alt-right vs Star Wars thing. The people who dislike it come from every corner of the fandom. I, for instance, really didn't like it and I'm not a tiki torch carrying goose-stepper.

 

[Skaddix]

Your right, certain media outlets are spinning it as an alt-right vs Star Wars thing. The people who dislike it come from every corner of the fandom. I, for instance, really didn't like it and I'm not a tiki torch carrying goose-stepper.

Yeah the Defense of TLJ is blame random trolls faking RT votes or say anyone who doesnt like it is a Racist all righter who hates minorities and women....lost is people who dont like the Luke treatment and those who yeah acknowledge it has POC but think their treatment was shit especially Finn and Poe. Who spend most of the movie fucking up and getting beatings while stuck in dumb plots.

 

[darkcurry]

Your right, certain media outlets are spinning it as an alt-right vs Star Wars thing. The people who dislike it come from every corner of the fandom. I, for instance, really didn't like it and I'm not a tiki torch carrying goose-stepper.

To be fair with that some of the alt-right members are putting themselves out at front. I think one of them is claiming to be responsible for it's failing grade on rottentomatoes. It's hard to spin it when they are waiving their hands going yoo-hoo. lol.

 

[Skaddix]

To be fair with that some of the alt-right members are putting themselves out at front. I think one of them is claiming to be responsible for it's failing grade on rottentomatoes. It's hard to spin it when they are waiving their hands going yoo-hoo. lol.

My favorite alt right thing is claiming that Wolfenstein (Videogame) is SJW bs cause its Anti Nazi when the game series has been about freeing America from Nazis since the fucking 80s. Really tells you a lot about American and to a lesser extent Western Values have shifted in the past 5 years or so.

But yes the Alt Right has been out and front and they make it easy target to blame.

 

[JamalSpunky]

Liberal media members, such as Joanne Robinson of Vanity Fair, always act as if criticism of Star Wars or other franchises only comes from the right. It makes it easier for people in her mind to dismiss criticism. But the critique of The Last Jedi is also coming strongly from the left by people of various viewpoints and agendas. People on the left have issues in how Rey, Finn, Poe and Rose were used and/or treated. Me personally I found the portrayal of Finn to be offensive so that's strike two with these new films and therefore I'm out. This film has pretty much killed my SW fandom. Probably gonna need a new avatar.

 

[Skaddix]

Yeah saying its just a bunch of racist and sexist means they get to ignore, not address and not fix the actual problems...

 

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Yeah saying its just a bunch of racist and sexist means they get to ignore, not address and not fix the actual problems...

The worst part is when the internet white knights who run a lot of the ultra-liberal blogs start churning out fallacy-filled articles to support their "if you complain you're racist and sexist" narrative.

 

[Skaddix]

The worst part is when the internet white knights who run a lot of the ultra-liberal blogs start churning out fallacy-filled articles to support their "if you complain you're racist and sexist" narrative.

agreed i cant wait to see the Christmas Weekend Box Office. Should tell us which way this is going to go if the drop is significant Disney will have to make some changes....now sure it could get worse but as a Black Man...can Finn really get worse?

 

[Gorath]

I have not seen The Last Jedi. I'm withholding my judgment until after I've seen it.

Nothing will change for black male characters. No one knows what to do with them, especially the writers.

The black male character is either going to be a sidekick(who is smart in his own way and doesn't get the woman) comic relief, victim(or the guy most likely to die), coward, gay, and/or a villain.

My younger brother watched an episode of Luther and he called John Luther a pussy because he doesn't use a gun. I reminded him that just because John doesn't carry a gun on the job doesn't mean that he doesn't know how to use one. I wish more black male characters were like John Luther in the fact that he is, aside from his personal demons, a brave and strong man who will do whatever it takes.

 

[Skaddix]

@Gorath well if you do see I urge to see it for free online. The only thing that will change this shit is box office underperformance.

Luther is the UK though normal coppers there dont carry guns only SWAT has guns as a standard in the UK.

 

[Gorath]

@Gorath well if you do see I urge to see it for free online. The only thing that will change this shit is box office underperformance.

Luther is the UK though normal coppers there dont carry guns only SWAT has guns as a standard in the UK.

In 1984, about 11 percent of the officers in the London Metropolitan Police Force, carried a handgun. It probably had gone up since the attacks on the London Underground system and other incidents.

I think the Royal family has a squad of police officers that help with their security needs.

My nephew uses his Xbox to watch movies. I saw Kingsman:The Gold Circle (crazy fun) and Spider-man: Homecoming(The Vulture looked really cool). Tried to watch The Mountain Between Us but the wi-fi was acting up .

 

[darkcurry]

Just finished watching BRIGHT and critics have officially lost their minds... again. lol. They have missed their mark this year. This movie was awesome. I would describe it as a couple twitter users described it; Lord of the Rings meets Colors. A modern urban fantasy and they pulled it off. Will Smith was back on his humorous action star shit, Joel Edgerton was keeping up giving these two great chemistry. Noomi Rapace and Lucy Fry made kick-ass Elves. Tika maybe my new favorite movie character. Netflix done good. Will Smith as I pointed out this summer when the trailer released has a white wife and mixed daughter in the film. Dawn Oliveira plays his wife she is not in the film that much and really his family is just told in the film as a back story to Ward(Will Smith).

So this movie would just qualify as a film with IR in it. (they do kiss.) Overall pretty good flick, don't know how you guys will feel about it, but I say it's worth a watch.

 

[ColiBreh1]

Netflix dropped this digital short earlier this week:

I didn't know if this should go in the IR in films or IR in TV shows thread.

 

[darkcurry]

Netflix dropped this digital short earlier this week:

I didn't know if this should go in the IR in films or IR in TV shows thread.

I think this is just an extended commercial for Netflix I can't find anything on this. So I think it should probably go in the WW/BM In Advertising thread.