Mass shooting at Country Music Festival in Las Vegas (50+ dead, 500+ injured)

[The Dark King]

Aren't you one? Lol

Yup which is why I know the type lol
I will never understand people who have everything who just aren't satisfied. Murdering all those people smh

 

[Bliss]

Yup which is why I know the type lol
I will never understand people who have everything who just aren't satisfied. Murdering all those people smh

It's the diabolic intent that burns me most. Terrorists are the worst kind of subhumans on the planet. They KNOW and WANT many people to suffer. Each day he planned this he was pleased. A Sick SOB!

 

[Bliss]

Heroes emerging...

Former Marine Taylor Winston (pictured) and his friend, Jenn Lewis (pictured), grabbed an unattended truck and used it twice to rush 24 people to the hospital.

Taylor and his friend sprung into action to try and save lives during the shooting.
At first, Winston was helping people over a fence as they fled the bullets raining down on the crowd. Eventually, he and others tore down the fence.
Then they found an unattended truck near the venue with keys still inside and used it to transport victims to the hospital.
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Jonathan Smith, 30 (pictured) saved over thirty people before he was shot at least twice, including once in the necK

Jonathan Smith was in Las Vegas celebrating the 43rd birthday of his brother, Louis Rust, a big country music fan, when Paddock opened fire on the crowd.
Smith, a copy machine repairman, looked around for his family - but they had all disappeared with his brother.

Seeing several festival attendees hiding behind a sheriff patrol car at the northwest edge of the concert lawn he decided to get them to safety.

'Active shooter, active shooter, let’s go! We have to run!' he shouted, grabbing people and moving them toward a handicapped parking area away from the lawn with rows of vehicles to hide behind.

Smith directed about 30 people but it was when he stood up to urge a few young girls who weren’t fully hidden to get to the ground when a bullet struck him in the neck.

He has a fractured collarbone, a cracked rib and a bruised lung. Doctors are leaving the bullet in his neck for the time being, fearing that moving it might cause more damage.

'I might have to live with this bullet for the rest of my life,' Smith told the newspaper.

Many have praised Smith as a hero, but it's a title he doesn't see as fit.

'I don’t see myself that way,' he said. 'I would want someone to do the same for me. No one deserves to lose a life coming to a country festival.'

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(This ^ has me in tears. When you start to lose faith in humanity, along come SELFLESS heroes to restore it. So proud of these people.

Many more stories of heroism by others..very moving)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4942928/Stories-heroism-emerge-amid-Las-Vegas-massacre.html

 

[Gorath]

He was batshit crazy and evil, evil to the core..

Vegas Mass killer gunman took SIXTEEN guns and thousands of bullets in TEN bags into his Mandalay Bay sniper's nest, where he set up two rifles with scopes on tripods

• • • • He'd smashed two windows of his corner suite to create a kill box at the Route 91 Harvest music festival below

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  • • He also had 26 other guns, as well as explosives and as-yet-undetermined electronic devices, at his home

The shooter reminds me of Charles Whitman, who shot and killed 13 people and wounded a number of other people in Austin, Texas. When Whitman was shot and killed by the police, he had a large array of rifles, shotguns, handguns and ammunition at the top of the University of Texas Tower. Two movies were made based on the Whitman case one was Targets with Boris Karloff and directed by Peter Bogdanovich. And a made for TV movie called The Deadly Tower with Kurt Russell as Whitman. Charles Whitman was a Marine sharpshooter. Before he went on his killing spree, he murdered his mother and his wife. An autopsy revealed that Whitman had a grapefruit sized tumor on his brain.

God only knows what was going on with this man before getting killed by police.

 

[JUANMACKER]

I fear for New Year's eve in New York city...one million people and all those hotels...Celebration will have to be canceled if they don't secure all those hotel rooms...

 

[Frederick]

Why is this a political debate? Is Nevada not free to make their own stricter gun laws like NY did?? Are they not adults capable of making that decision for themselves?

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article176655566.html

LOL Nevada banned toy guns on the Vegas strip because a couple tourists got scared of the people who used to dress up in Star Wars stormtrooper outfits and charge money for pictures, but it's still an open carry state. So you can't have a fake gun in public in Nevada, but you can strap an actual AR-15 to your body and walk around anywhere. Does that sound like rational adult thinking to you?


Anyway. I'm done having the gun debate. Next to failed states like Somalia, the US is the only country in the world with super permissive laws related to personal weapons. If that's how people want to live, with a mass shooting every day of the year, so be it.

 

[Beasty]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article176655566.html

LOL Nevada banned toy guns on the Vegas strip because a couple tourists got scared of the people who used to dress up in Star Wars stormtrooper outfits and charge money for pictures, but it's still an open carry state. So you can't have a fake gun in public in Nevada, but you can strap an actual AR-15 to your body and walk around anywhere. Does that sound like rational adult thinking to you?


Anyway. I'm done having the gun debate. Next to failed states like Somalia, the US is the only country in the world with super permissive laws related to personal weapons. If that's how people want to live, with a mass shooting every day of the year, so be it.

It doesn't sound rational to me but that's not the point. The point is that there is never going to be an agreement on the subject so instead of flopping back and forth from a rational president to a doofus every 8 years we can at least become somewhat stable by having a political solution for our disagreements.

I don't have to live in Nevada, neither do you.

 

[Beasty]

Loosing the whitehouse because you can't make concessions on the diehard positions of others when you already have blue states doing what you would prefer, doesn't seem rational to me either.

Risking a loss to some fucktard that can destroy the economy and lead us to nuclear war because we simply can't concede letting others exercise the values that they believe, doesn't sound rational.

Al Gore loosing his home state to Bush because he wanted strict gun laws didn't seem rational either.

 

[Bliss]

..
Anyway. I'm done having the gun debate. Next to failed states like Somalia, the US is the only country in the world with super permissive laws related to personal weapons. If that's how people want to live, with a mass shooting every day of the year, so be it.

Switzerland's gun laws and ownership is much like the U.S. They have a similar law to our 2nd Amendment.

 

[Bliss]

The shooter reminds me of Charles Whitman, who shot and killed 13 people and wounded a number of other people in Austin, Texas. When Whitman was shot and killed by the police, he had a large array of rifles, shotguns, handguns and ammunition at the top of the University of Texas Tower. Two movies were made based on the Whitman case one was Targets with Boris Karloff and directed by Peter Bogdanovich. And a made for TV movie called The Deadly Tower with Kurt Russell as Whitman. Charles Whitman was a Marine sharpshooter. Before he went on his killing spree, he murdered his mother and his wife. An autopsy revealed that Whitman had a grapefruit sized tumor on his brain.

God only knows what was going on with this man before getting killed by police.

I thought something happened at Berkley too?
Tumor on the brain. Interesting. Wonder if that's like Hernandez and his CTE brain injury...as well as some of our military personnel who return and kill. Some have said they felt compelled to murder someone. Very strange.

Anyway with this man, he wired $100,000 to the Philippines the day before his deadly rampage, so something more is at play here.

 

[Bliss]

...Pro gun rights people argue assault and military rifles should NOT be banned, although if they were banned 20 years ago it's very likely such an attack in LV never happens.
Too many Americans have a gun fetish that clouds their sense of decency and common sense.

So Americans can buy almost any kind of gun they want, as many as they want, not have to register them, unlike your car or computer modem, and then they pretend to be shocked and heartbroken when shootings like this happen.

We're never going to have sane gun control laws until gun owners decide it's time. So until then I'll watch these horrific tragedies, feel bad for the families and victims and be glad it didn't happen to someone I knew personally.

Are you telling me these guns are legal here??

Four DDM4 rifles - made by Daniel Defense - were among the 23 weapons found in Paddock's hotel room by the SWAT team after they busted in. They sell for around $1,700

I'm hearing they're not, although one he appeared to modify..
Next to his body are two assault rifles, one of them set up on a bi-pod and one with a 'bump stock' added to make it almost fully automatic

 

[Beasty]

Are you telling me these guns are legal here??

Four DDM4 rifles - made by Daniel Defense - were among the 23 weapons found in Paddock's hotel room by the SWAT team after they busted in. They sell for around $1,700

I'm hearing they're not, although one he appeared to modify..
Next to his body are two assault rifles, one of them set up on a bi-pod and one with a 'bump stock' added to make it almost fully automatic

Yes they are legal. M4 shoots 5.56. As long as they are not fully auto its legal. You have to have a special license for full auto. I believe they call it a class 3. Its only illegal because he modded them.

 

[Beasty]

Are you telling me these guns are legal here??

Four DDM4 rifles - made by Daniel Defense - were among the 23 weapons found in Paddock's hotel room by the SWAT team after they busted in. They sell for around $1,700

I'm hearing they're not, although one he appeared to modify..
Next to his body are two assault rifles, one of them set up on a bi-pod and one with a 'bump stock' added to make it almost fully automatic

The shotgun is deadlier by far. The only reason the military doesn't use shotguns more often is because the bullets are too heavy to carry and the slugs aren't nearly as accurate.

 

[Bliss]

Yes they are legal. M4 shoots 5.56. As long as they are not fully auto its legal. You have to have a special license for full auto. I believe they call it a class 3. Its only illegal because he modded them.

OIC. Damn. Thank-you.

Another Question for you...could a person with no military background know how to use these with such proficiency?There is no record of this man "target practicing" with these.
He lived a quiet ordinary life, albeit some gambling wins and losses... To mastermind this...this...huge operation...alone...no flags...people are beginning to question if he acted alone.

I know, tin foil..etc...but even down to the plan to smash out 2 windows...(1 shown here)

This was a huge production...

Or could one man pull all this off from start to finish..

 

[Gorath]

Yes they are legal. M4 shoots 5.56. As long as they are not fully auto its legal. You have to have a special license for full auto. I believe they call it a class 3. Its only illegal because he modded them.

There are kits to convert a semi-automatic rifle to a fully automatic rifle. But it can only be done with the services of a professional gunsmith. I have fired a AR-15 in semi-auto and fired it full auto. It takes a lot of practice to master a weapon at full auto. The FN firearms company had their M-249 SAW available to the public for $10.000.00. If a regular citizen purchased it, the government will know about it.

I think one doesn't need military ordinance to defend their families and homes. I believe that it is best to keep the arsenal a simple one based on the gun owner's needs based on location.

 

[Gorath]

The shotgun is deadlier by far. The only reason the military doesn't use shotguns more often is because the bullets are too heavy to carry and the slugs aren't nearly as accurate.

The military still uses shotguns mostly for close quarters battle and door breaching. A shotgun that fires slugs has a limited range. But military grade ammunition is different from the ammunition sold and used by civilians.

 

[Gorath]

I thought something happened at Berkley too?
Tumor on the brain. Interesting. Wonder if that's like Hernandez and his CTE brain injury...as well as some of our military personnel who return and kill. Some have said they felt compelled to murder someone. Very strange.

Anyway with this man, he wired $100,000 to the Philippines the day before his deadly rampage, so something more is at play here.

Whitman had problems. He was married and living with his parents, he couldn't hold a job and when he tried to return to the U.S.M.C, he had trouble getting along with his fellow Marines.

This man who wired $100.000.00 to the Philippines must have been either scammed or cursed.

 

[Beasty]

The military still uses shotguns mostly for close quarters battle and door breaching. A shotgun that fires slugs has a limited range. But military grade ammunition is different from the ammunition sold and used by civilians.

5.56 rounds are the same rounds used by the military. The only difference is that the M-16's are full auto.

 

[Beasty]

OIC. Damn. Thank-you.

Another Question for you...could a person with no military background know how to use these with such proficiency?There is no record of this man "target practicing" with these.
He lived a quiet ordinary life, albeit some gambling wins and losses... To mastermind this...this...huge operation...alone...no flags...people are beginning to question if he acted alone.

I know, tin foil..etc...but even down to the plan to smash out 2 windows...(1 shown here)

This was a huge production...

Or could one man pull all this off from start to finish..

If he was a hermit, he could have been practicing in the desert. It doesn't take military training for what he did, just enough time practicing.

 

[Beasty]

I think one doesn't need military ordinance to defend their families and homes. I believe that it is best to keep the arsenal a simple one based on the gun owner's needs based on location.

While you sitting here worrying about civilians with Ar15's dotard is about to allow police to have access to grenade launchers. As we know police aren't rich so they are corruptable as anyone else, they don't even get their backgrounds checked as thoroughly as military personnel.