Is a WW Racist Because She Refuses To Date BM?

this is where everybody should agree.

no, this was a little confusion on my use of terminology in an earlier post i made.

what i should've said was "racial discrimination that impedes individual freedoms"

 

I agree 100% with this, too.

That's why i made the suggestion to discuss the nature of preferences in a way that doesn't hypocritically focus on one particular demographic.

 

Please tell me how does partaking in this topic deny any white women (racist or not) of their individual freedom...

and, the only one who is denying anyone their individual freedom is 7 and porcelainsnowbird, since they are condemning us for talking about racist white women, but they are all for individual freedom somehow...

:roll:

not to mention 7 making this all about me also.



and, I never disputed anything you said, so I don't see how I and other men in here, have denied anyone anything, so far.

 

everything's good. my goal is to find a common ground and bring about closure to this topic.

the main point is:

black men who excluding others from their dating pool, but do not like when other women exclude black men from their dating pool are simply hypocrites, and we all can agree on that.

 

also, no race of men is immune from this hypocrisy.

there are white men who despise white women and dismiss them as all feminists or femnazis, travel to foreign lands to pursue women of color living in poverty, and even when they're supposed to be happily married to their asian and latin women, you can literally see the fury and anger in their face when they see a black man with a white woman together.

you can read in some of the white male/asian woman forums about white men who blame black men for them having to travel all the way to asia and latin america.

 

This is what you refuse to acknowledge SardonicGenie: the only "things" I am defending, are individual freedoms to choose and date who we want without overbearing cynicism. If a WW does not want to date BM for whatever reason, it is of her concern. If BM wants to exclude BW from their dating pool for whatever reason, it is of their concern. As long as their preferences do not impede on monetary wealth it is not Racism. I am not for anyone impeding on individual freedoms for any reason, then, masking fallacious reasons for them.

When I hear a WW say she prefers not to get involved with BM, I think to myself, there are obviously many reasons for that statement. She could not want to upset her father, she may not want to deal with the realities of dating interracially, or there can be chemical imbalances which sway her choices which could be helped with attention; but, NONE of them have to do with Racism.

I will not continue to 'try' to open your mind to this reality, which seem to be hollow: you beliefs are your beliefs and they are emotional. You should recognise this fact, before you go about vacuously asserting rubbish.

 

Some people will NEVER UNDERSTAND.

It never occurs to them It's just not NORMAL to date outside their race.

 

no, it's not racist. I think people like to date others who are the same because they may have a better chance of a long marriage or they may be able to relate. interracial relationships are difficult because it isn't man and woman. it's black man and white woman or white man and black woman. in a intra relationship you are what ever gender you are and don't have to concern yourself about race.

 

I'm sorry but she looks like a hit and quit aka one night stand.
Some women are wife material and some aren't. You need to pick better.

 

If he doesn't get it this time, just give up.

 

What does this have to with anything? If you really believe this, then you wouldn't be lecturing anyone in here with your diatribes about what choices they make in their preferences at all, like I 've seen you do several dozen times at least.

Point blank is, this isn't what the thread is about, and when Pey started this thread, he was talking about racist white women who refuse to date black men, and he gave substantial evidence on how they are racist in his original post, and you, porcelain and others ignored it, and sided with the racist reasons he posted when talking about these white girls he met himself and spoke to. THAT'S what YOU, porcelain, Sengo, and others don't seem to get yet, unlike malachi, and other posters who caught on to that immediately.

In fact, Pey is living proof of the hypocrisy of many racist white women, who refuse to date black men for racist reasons, but still whore themselves out to black men in more ways than one underground, and these same women (Ugly Ducklings and feminazis) are the same ones you keep defending, but wanted to warn all the other men about before. Now, who is the hypocrite?

You should learn to practice what you preach on the boards, let alone keep your contradictions to yourself...

AGAIN, since you and porcelain don't seem to get it yet, like the others, just because a white women refuses to date black men doesn't mean they she isn't racist, but according to you and porcelain, there is no such thing as a racist white woman, especially if she doesn't want to date black men, and that kind of argument is vacuous all on it's own. Do you really believe for a second that there are no racist white women who refuse to date black men? And, to think, the author of such threads like the Ugly Duckling Syndrome would know better by now himself, and since you and porcelain also neglected Pey and malachi's posts throughout the discussion, that's another hint of where both of you stand in your individual mindsets.

 

Maybe back in the 50's, but this doesn't have anything to do with attraction.

 

I wasn't being hypocritical about anything. I didn't respond the way I did to anyone because of what some white women who exclude black men said. I responded to pkd and 7 the way I did because of what THEY said about it, and then 7 and porcelain tried to make it all about me misunderstanding this and that, when I didn't misunderstand anything.

 

Yet again, you are diligent in refusing to define Racism. There is NO ARGUMENT HERE until you DEFINE WHAT RACISM MEANS TO YOU.

What IS A RACIST WW SardonicGenie!?

Peyback's experiences ARE ONLY UNIQUE TO HIM! This does not make WW racist, his 'feelings' about the matter ARE EMOTIONAL, therefore, they hold NO WEIGHT IN AN ARGUMENT AGAINST RACIST WW.

Ugly Duckling, feminazi, whatever -- their beliefs about attraction of BM, still will have no effect on YOUR AND MY autonomous and monetary wealth. So how does this make them RACISTS!? Does this make them PREJUDICE!? Maybe! You can continue to 'try' to appeal in Ad Misericordiam, your assertions against ARE IRRELEVANT and FALLACIOUS. Masquerading and submitting your reasons to your passion just will not do here. I repeat, 7Seven, is not emotional about this situation, 7Seven can care less about your emotional appeals because 7Seven can care less if WW find him attractive. The most important thing I reason about HERE is the alleviation of suffering.

It seems the only person who continues to defend this position IS YOU! So why do we continue to argue about this!? I know, you refuse to be wrong!

 

My statement about WM hypocrisy was not directed at you personally. It was simply a rebuff to the assumption held by many that it is only black men who behave hypocritically about interracial dating.

Actually, much of what everybody is saying is correct, but it's the misuse of terminologies that is confusing people.

 

It's simple people. Whether you prefer to define it as racism or prejudice (I am sure someone has the true meaning of each in some college text book somewhere), the only thing that matters is when someone says they refuse to date a certain race, no matter how nice or attractive the person might be from that race, that is WRONG! Racist, prejudiced, call it whatever you want. It is not right. How can you judge an entire race as un-datable or not marriage material unless you have specific issues with that race? If someone generalized all blacks steal, or all Jews are cheap, or all Mexicans are dirty, that would be wrong right? So what is the difference if you say that all people of "given race" should not marry with people of "given race".

All the women I have been referring to do not believe in IR dating or marriage at all. Does that prevent them from your typical "MTV Spring Break, don't tell mommy and daddy" hookup with a black guy? NOPE! Trust me I am living proof of being with white girls who do not think you are good enough to date or bring home to mom and dad or even be consistent friends with, but good enough to fuck for a night or every once in a while. Then they toss you off so they can spend the holidays or go to the prom with the cute white guy so that her dumb ass gossipy friends and racist parents will approve of him and her. Even if that guy is a jerk. It's just not fair. Then when you finally find a white girl that loves black guys and wants to be with one, they think they are ghetto gangsta's and you gotta deal with all the shit you thought you wouldn't have to deal with when you stopped fuckin' with black chicks. It's a tough situation but either way you gotta deal with some problem or the other. Messin' with white girls can be sweet heaven in some cases and pure hell in other cases. You just gotta look deep within yourself and ask if it is all worth it....

For me it is...

 

if you still think it's a matter of rights or wrongs, you need to re-read the thread

 

In my opinion I have to say no. Some folks just like certain people, now if they come right out and say they will not date you because you are black they got problems.

 

First of all malachi there is no reason to re-read the thread since it is MY thread. I AM THE ONE who started it so I KNOW what I meant by it. It IS A MATTER of right and wrong. Racism is wrong. Bottom line. Why are you defending it? Second of all INJERA70, the girls I am talking about HAVE come out and said I do not date black men! WHERE have you been???? That is what I am talking about. They have come out and straight up said it to me. How is that not racist????

 

The truth is....you never know if she is not attracted physically to black guys because they just don't "do it " for her...or if she is truly racist. Each girl is different and none of us have lived her life so we don't know how she came to the point of having only a specific attraction....whether she's racist or not..she'll never tell you..so its not worth bothering...if the girl says "I'm not interested in black guys," don't worry about it...she may very likely be ignorant and that's not the kind of girl you want to deal with.

Many WW don't like to admit to benefiting from white privilege but they know how easy it is to lose said privilege. WW constitute more than 1/3 of the U.S. population with a higher percentage in the U.K. and even if you take out all of the girls who would never consider dating a brotha...you are still left with a reasonable number who would...generally wealth and power are the wedges that pry open the lock on WW for BM. For an "average" WW..you have to wonder why she would marry an "average" BM when she can have a WM who has the same $$$ and she doesn't have to worry about all of the stigmas that follow (obviously I'm excluding the women who are independent thinkers as they follow their heart and loins at all times)....a BM with $$$ will be surrounded by WW and most WW are not going to let a good-looking man with money get away...especially if he treats her well.