Covid-19 Central

CRAZY!! Still working full time plus, a few weeks till end of grad school (if it doesn't get extended), submitted portfolio to state last week, testing on Saturday. I barely know my own name.

 

Grip or not, why is our country shut down?
Never in the history of this country for that matter has everything been shut down, because of a virus.

61 million Americans contracted the H1N1 and we didn't shut the country down.

274,000 Americans were hospitalized, and we didn't shut the country down.

12,500 deaths, and no shut down.

What the hell? With those numbers, how can you even justify our country shutting down today?
if New York wants to shut down, fine, let them, but the rest of the country does not need to shut down.

We can't continue to live this way.

 

Prematurely "reopening" the economy before there is a large scale treatment plan will ensure that a substantial amount of people won't continue to live at all.

 

Or, extending the quarantine will ensure people won't continue to live, no?

If we don't develop herd immunity this is just prolonging the inevitable. The only way viruses die off is through immunity or vaccine.

I wonder also, are we not creating a scenerio where we will soon be a danger to each other, because, just like we should play in dirt and shouldn't use too much antibacterial soap or antibiotics, staying away from each other could ultimately be a health threat once we begin intermingling again due to a lack of human exposure.

 

Epidemiologist: Coronavirus could be 'exterminated' if lockdowns lifted

Excerpt:
Wittkowski said the only thing that stops respiratory diseases is herd immunity:


"...What happens is if you flatten the curve, you also prolong, to widen it, and it takes more time," he explained. "And I don't see a good reason for a respiratory disease to stay in the population longer than necessary."

" ...About 80% of the people need to have had contact with the virus, and the majority of them won’t even have recognized that they were infected, or they had very, very mild symptoms"...
"... I'm not paid by the government, so I'm entitled to actually do science..."


Explanation here:
https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/epidemi...BaBy0iKzWQ8axiJgucmzGc6tohoczIKD7WOuroNFq65ao

 

Without a vaccine, the only way to achieve herd immunity is for 95% of the population to get COVID-19 and then (those who are still alive) recover from it so that our bodies develop antibodies. However, with a 4% mortality rate (currently) that strategy could cost 13 million Americans their lives.

 

Once you account for hospitals filling up the rate will be over 10%. Look at Spain and Italy. Spain is at 10.5% and Italy is all the way up to 13%.

Keep entertaining stupidity.

 

Because we don't have a VACCINE yet for COVID19. Why is that so hard to understand??

Without a vaccine, the best way to prevent the spread of the coronavirus is to self-isolate.
Tamiflu and Relenza were used to reduce the symptoms of H1N1, only ventilators so far can treat the worst symptoms of COVID19.

Obviously, the coronavirus is more lethal than the swine flu, so the only way to slow the spread is to self-isolate.

If H1N1 had the death rate of the coronavirus, over 2 million Americans would have died.

 

Could cost?
Where are you getting a 4% mortality rate??
It absolutely will not cost 13 million Americans lives. Where the heck are you getting these numbers from?

Are you modelling off of New York City? You can't use that as a national prediction.

Obviously, NYC needed to shutter, however most all other States (some who have never shuttered) do not have the numbers that New York City do.
And that's because they had an enormous influx of Chinese Nationals arriving to celebrate Chinese New Year. As well as European arrivals, who were infected by Chinese Nationals in Italy.

Most people are surviving the infection, so no, 13 million will not die.

 

Slow the spread.. and then what?

Again, we're not preventing the spread, we are prolonging the virus in the community. 'Why is that so hard to understand??"

Isolation is prolonging the inevitable of INFECTIONS, it's not "killing the virus", only herd immunity can do that.

"Flattening the curve" was to allow hospitals to prepare for an influx of hospitalizations, if necessary.
Not killing it.

The virus is out there it hasn't gone anywhere, it's waiting for hosts, however healthy young people can fight the virus off, create the necessary herd immunity and destroy the virus, we simply cannot wait two years of self-isolation for a vaccine.

 

Well, it's called math. The total number of known infected in the United States as of April 15th is 613,187, The total death rate as of April 15th is 26,950. Now 26,950 is roughly 4.4% of 613,187. So that means the COVID-19 mortality rate is currently at 4.4%, so using that percentage on 95% of the 340 million Americans (the number you would need for herd immunity to work) we get just about 13 million people.

Now having said that, I personally believe the mortality rate will be lower when full-scale testing is done, but even if the mortality rate turns out to be 1% that would still be at least 3 million people who would likely die by attempting herd immunity without a vaccine.

And too @Beasty's point, the overwhelming of the health care system would raise the mortality rates even higher because people who would ordinarily survive will die because of inadequate care.

 

They act like black people were the ones eating bats............

People need their "Satan"

"Say hi to the bad guy" ~ Tony Montana

Blacks who were racially profiled in China will get help leaving country
https://rollingout.com/2020/04/15/b...m-AFHZXAp0bdhnbV7J0qpWWnqp_ZQOy_CF2iR8g-J0NBw

 

Damn, woman! By the time all that is over, you're probably going to collapse. But finally having all of that stuff done will be it's own reward!

 

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1279289718936207

 

infuriating! They are calling for "demonstrations" at the capital and hospitals here for tomorrow.

 

These protests are annoying. People wanna rush to get back to normal and forget about the thousands upon thousands effected. It all starts at the top with Trump. Ignorance begets more ignorance. Smh.

 

This situation is about to last longer than a can of sportin waves.

 

Interesting article and perspective.

"A lack of adequate testing means many of those who have been infected with the coronavirus will not appear in official statistics.

This suggests that many estimates for its mortality rate are much too high."

"Using patient data from China, public health officials initially estimated that 80% of COVID-19 cases are either asymptomatic or have mild disease. Given that hospital beds, health workers, and test kits are in short supply, only highly symptomatic people are advised to go to the hospital. Because of lack of adequate testing, including in the United States, in many places only hospital patients are now counted as cases. The people who do not feel seriously ill stay home, recover quietly, and are never counted. This matters because they do not appear in any of the official statistics.

Take, for example, a New Yorker who is mildly sick. She calls her family doctor who makes a clinical diagnosis of suspected COVID-19 based on her symptoms, rather than with a test. Because she is not very sick, she is advised to stay home. There is no mechanism for her doctor to report her diagnosis to the health authorities, so if she gets better, she is never counted. Only if she becomes ill enough to be admitted to the hospital, or is tested, is she counted as a COVID-19 case. If she dies, she is counted as a COVID-19 death. If she survives, she will not be counted at all."

"We understand that the virus spreads very fast once it is introduced into a population. That means many of us in the general population may be or have already been infected with the virus - whether or not we have symptoms."

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020...1Qjw_W41yHK5gwIZlgT11TqWQ_dy8KiaVEXQ4O0abxpLQ

To paraphrase, likely most of us have already been exposed to the virus. This shelter-in-place needs to end soon.

 

But we don't actually know and that is the problem. Only full-scale testing can give us an accurate picture of this thing.

 

And full scale testing is cost prohibitive.

The point of the article is: we may be freaking out over something that's not quite as bad as is being portrayed. How many people have knowingly and unknowingly already had it and never got tested? I'm all for this shelter-in-place extending through the end of April, but 100% extending it through mid to end of May is ridiculous. We all need to get back to our lives. People who are more vulnerable need to start protecting themselves.

We need to start phasing our lives back into more normal versions.