Newspaper Publishes Gun Owners' Names and Addresses

[The Dark King]

Oh, Hai...
Have I mentioned that I am mentally ill? Have I told you what i'm dx'd with?
Axis I Axis II...you name it..I got it.

Have I told you how many people I've killed with ANYTHING lately?

Zip. Zilch. Zero. Nada. Goose egg....a BIG 'ole fat one.

What part of the average person who is mentally ill is more of a threat to him or herself than any other person?
We are more likely to be the victim of violent crime and abuse than any other person.

So what did you say?

Until you can come with PROVEN facts...
You can't interact with teh adults.

You can make the same exact argument for law abiding gun owners. There are millions of us who havent fired a single shot at another human being.
And btw never said you were a threat but if you want to lead the charge on guns as a whole why should we pretend that these sick fucks who murder innocent people usually have some type of mental illness Ali. Apparently they desperately needed help

 

[APPIAH]

People with entrenched stances do not budge easily. Some crazy person will kill again and the argument will go back and forth which is an exercise in futility. I personally think a mentally deranged person without a gun is less dangerous than one with a gun. So if its mental health issues then fine it must be dealt with but the gun issue must be discussed as well.

 

[andreboba]

The fact remains more 'sane' people with guns kill people than diagnosed mentally ill people kill people, with or without guns.

The comparison is so ridiculous it's not worth discussing.

Let's not draw some false equivalence between the homicidal potential of the mentally ill versus the 300+ million privately own firearms in this country, which are dangerous simply because they exist TO KILL PEOPLE.

 

[The Dark King]

The fact remains more 'sane' people with guns kill people than diagnosed mentally ill people kill people, with or without guns.

The comparison is so ridiculous it's not worth discussing.

Let's not draw some false equivalence between the homicidal potential of the mentally ill versus the 300+ million privately own firearms in this country, which are dangerous simply because they exist TO KILL PEOPLE.

The main reason this discussion started was because of spree killings which happen because of the msntally ill and those who arent mentally ill killing people with guns are usuly gang baggers involved in turf wars. And its interesting that with that many firearns out there we have less firearns deaths than we did in the 90s by legal gun owners. Again no one is disputing regulation but you are seriously out of your mind if you think shaming people and needless regulation will serve your ends. Unlike smoking or drinking most people purxhase guns because there are real threats and they want to be prepared. Relying solely on outsiders to save you in a dire situation is crazy.
Most times cops are there for the clean up

 

[andreboba]

The main reason this discussion started was because of spree killings which happen because of the msntally ill and those who arent mentally ill killing people with guns are usuly gang baggers involved in turf wars. And its interesting that with that many firearns out there we have less firearns deaths than we did in the 90s by legal gun owners. Again no one is disputing regulation but you are seriously out of your mind if you think shaming people and needless regulation will serve your ends. Unlike smoking or drinking most people purxhase guns because there are real threats and they want to be prepared. Relying solely on outsiders to save you in a dire situation is crazy.
Most times cops are there for the clean up

I don't wanna take away your gun, DK. But I also don't think everyone who has a gun should.

 

[Alinoa]

We can go back and forth..all night and all day and all forever and ever amen.

The fact remains..
Legal gun owners (some) will never ever kill someone in anything other than self defense and only as a last resort.
And people with severe mental illness will beg, borrow and steal to get guns and kill innocent people.

But guess what?

Non-legal gun owners will never use their guns...to kill. Even in the case of self defense. Because killing someone just because you think your life may be in danger is not always the answer.
And legal law abiding gun owners will kill people over the stupidest shit..say...like pizza or loud music.

And out of the hundreds of thousands of people who have mental illness...

VERY FEW will ever snap and kill like it's the latest "in" thing to do.

I have a friend who I am very close to who says there are two types of people in this world.

The type that have a diagnosis of mental illness

And those that live in fear of being diagnosed with the mental illness they live with on a daily basis.

Damn fucking straight.

 

[Bookworm616]

I don't wanna take away your gun, DK. But I also don't think everyone who has a gun should.

And I don't think everyone who is a parent should be - like ones who abuse their children. So what's your point?

The ones who shouldn't have guns are the ones who obtained them illegally.

Come up with a solution to get rid of the illegal guns obtained by nefarious means and then the world will be a better place. Never perfect, but better.

I don't see a lot of solutions being tossed about in this thread.

 

[The Dark King]

We can go back and forth..all night and all day and all forever and ever amen.

The fact remains..
Legal gun owners (some) will never ever kill someone in anything other than self defense and only as a last resort.
And people with severe mental illness will beg, borrow and steal to get guns and kill innocent people.

But guess what?

Non-legal gun owners will never use their guns...to kill. Even in the case of self defense. Because killing someone just because you think your life may be in danger is not always the answer.
And legal law abiding gun owners will kill people over the stupidest shit..say...like pizza or loud music.

And out of the hundreds of thousands of people who have mental illness...

VERY FEW will ever snap and kill like it's the latest "in" thing to do.

I have a friend who I am very close to who says there are two types of people in this world.

The type that have a diagnosis of mental illness

And those that live in fear of being diagnosed with the mental illness they live with on a daily basis.

Damn fucking straight.

Was this post suppose to be sarcastic? SOME legal gun owners will never kill anyone other than in self defense?
And MOST non legal gun owners will never use their guns to kill?
I get your sensitivity to the mental health topic but when you write shit like that it does make me wonder if you're drunk while writing.
No one is trying to persecute the mentally ill but if you're going to talk about gun regulation we'd be very dishonest if we didn't talk about mental health as well since the majority of people spree killing have some type of mental health issue. Its not just the access to guns that makes people like this dangerous.

 

[Alinoa]

Was this post suppose to be sarcastic? SOME legal gun owners will never kill anyone other than in self defense?
And MOST non legal gun owners will never use their guns to kill?
I get your sensitivity to the mental health topic but when you write shit like that it does make me wonder if you're drunk while writing.
No one is trying to persecute the mentally ill but if you're going to talk about gun regulation we'd be very dishonest if we didn't talk about mental health as well since the majority of people spree killing have some type of mental health issue. Its not just the access to guns that makes people like this dangerous.

I would sincerely BEG to differ on this point. However, I make it a high point to never beg from a piece of trash. So I won't.

Yes, the mental health aspect of it needs to be addressed.
But persecuting the mentally ill is not the answer. And the point I keep trying to make that is ALWAYS missed is the one concerning stereotypes.

But obviously the brain trust in full force so it doesn't come as a surprise AT ALL.
And no..I am not drunk. That was last night..and I was merely tipsy.

The bottom bottom line is if you are not part of the problem then great as that would automatically mean you are part of the solution. But to deny that we have a problem in the states is about as mental as it gets.
I happened to catch a snippet of a broadcast of the English news.. and in it the newscaster was reporting on the christmas eve shootings in new york. And it struck me how absurd and ridiculous we must look like as a country. A man sets his house on fire, calls 911, and then shoots first responders.

WTF? If you lived outside of this country and heard something like that..you would probably really, really, really wonder what the fuck was wrong with a country that has citizens that set their house ON FIRE to then be able to SHOOT the firemen that come to put the blaze out.
I wonder that we don't find it beyond absurd that we do that and find it a NORMAL occurance in our country.

 

[andreboba]

And I don't think everyone who is a parent should be - like ones who abuse their children. So what's your point?

The ones who shouldn't have guns are the ones who obtained them illegally.

Come up with a solution to get rid of the illegal guns obtained by nefarious means and then the world will be a better place. Never perfect, but better.

I don't see a lot of solutions being tossed about in this thread.

Hm.
Every firearm bought at a gun show without background checks like in Virginia, is a LEGALLY purchased gun. However I don't think that's the model most of us would want for gun ownership in the U.S.; cash-and-carry and have a nice day.

How about we close the gun show loophole for starters??

In many states like Tennessee it's legal for me to hypothetically make a personal sale of my own firearm to an individual without any background check. How about we change that law too??

There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who made 'legal' purchases of firearms but should not ever own a gun.


There are many criminals walking the street who have purchased their guns legally.

If you don't see solutions to reducing the number of privately owned firearms in this country, it's probably because you aren't trying and don't see a problem

 

[Bookworm616]

I would sincerely BEG to differ on this point. However, I make it a high point to never beg from a piece of trash. So I won't.

Yes, the mental health aspect of it needs to be addressed.
But persecuting the mentally ill is not the answer. And the point I keep trying to make that is ALWAYS missed is the one concerning stereotypes.

But obviously the brain trust in full force so it doesn't come as a surprise AT ALL.
And no..I am not drunk. That was last night..and I was merely tipsy.

The bottom bottom line is if you are not part of the problem then great as that would automatically mean you are part of the solution. But to deny that we have a problem in the states is about as mental as it gets.
I happened to catch a snippet of a broadcast of the English news.. and in it the newscaster was reporting on the christmas eve shootings in new york. And it struck me how absurd and ridiculous we must look like as a country. A man sets his house on fire, calls 911, and then shoots first responders.

WTF? If you lived outside of this country and heard something like that..you would probably really, really, really wonder what the fuck was wrong with a country that has citizens that set their house ON FIRE to then be able to SHOOT the firemen that come to put the blaze out.
I wonder that we don't find it beyond absurd that we do that and find it a NORMAL occurance in our country.

Yes, because horribly bad and awful things never happen in other countries.

 

[The Dark King]

I would sincerely BEG to differ on this point. However, I make it a high point to never beg from a piece of trash. So I won't.

Yes, the mental health aspect of it needs to be addressed.
But persecuting the mentally ill is not the answer. And the point I keep trying to make that is ALWAYS missed is the one concerning stereotypes.

But obviously the brain trust in full force so it doesn't come as a surprise AT ALL.
And no..I am not drunk. That was last night..and I was merely tipsy.

The bottom bottom line is if you are not part of the problem then great as that would automatically mean you are part of the solution. But to deny that we have a problem in the states is about as mental as it gets.
I happened to catch a snippet of a broadcast of the English news.. and in it the newscaster was reporting on the christmas eve shootings in new york. And it struck me how absurd and ridiculous we must look like as a country. A man sets his house on fire, calls 911, and then shoots first responders.

WTF? If you lived outside of this country and heard something like that..you would probably really, really, really wonder what the fuck was wrong with a country that has citizens that set their house ON FIRE to then be able to SHOOT the firemen that come to put the blaze out.
I wonder that we don't find it beyond absurd that we do that and find it a NORMAL occurance in our country.

First off go fuck yourself Ali. The insult wasn't needed. I honestly thought you were better than that.
Secondly the guy who lit his house on fire and shot first responders WAS MENTALLY ILL, further PROVING there is a major mental health problem. People are going untreated and are doing crazy shit. Its not a stigma since people who are killing innocent strangers are usually fricking crazy. Sorry that you can't admit that but it is what it is. Mentally ill people have a deficiency or a chemical imbalance that makes it difficult to make rational decisions. If this were just an issue of having guns you'd see WAY MORE spree killings but the fact of the matter is its usually these crazies who either steal legal guns or slip through the cracks of the system and exact carnage on the rest of us.

 

[The Dark King]

Yes, because horribly bad and awful things never happen in other countries.

Nope its only the US. We have the market cornered on crazy and irrational. Didn't you hear?

 

[Bookworm616]

Secondly the guy who lit his house on fire and shot first responders WAS MENTALLY ILL, further PROVING there is a major mental health problem.

Lest we forget that this guy also did 18 years for manslaughter for killing his Grandmother with a hammer.

And he also killed his sister. What a nice guy.

 

[andreboba]

Lest we forget that this guy also did 18 years for manslaughter for killing his Grandmother with a hammer.

And he also killed his sister. What a nice guy.

All the more reason he should be allowed to buy a gun LEGALLY.

 

[The Dark King]

Lest we forget that this guy also did 18 years for manslaughter for killing his Grandmother with a hammer.

And he also killed his sister. What a nice guy.

Hey hey now don't stereotype him though. His mental illness had nothing to do with it. IT WAS THE GUN lol

 

[The Dark King]

All the more reason he should be allowed to buy a gun LEGALLY.

Do you honestly for even a second think that anyone is arguing against that?

 

[Bookworm616]

All the more reason he should be allowed to buy a gun LEGALLY.

Where does it say he bought the guns legally?

 

[andreboba]

Where does it say he bought the guns legally?

Nowhere. I'm assuming he did.
Most gun owners in this country obtained their firearms 'legally', that is they purchased their weapons under under current state and federal firearms regulations.

 

[The Dark King]

I hate Michael savage but......"Liberalism is a mental disorder....." If you can defend this shit there's truly something wrong with you mind......" Since when do law abiding citizens become the problem.......

It's not liberalism fam, it's pure fear. Completely irrational and devoid of logic. I get gun regulation but making the argument that legal guns are the issue as if people hell bent on destruction can't and won't find guns else where. Again look at drugs as an example.