What the Skinny think about the fat...It's ok to be fat!!

This is a forum, Mikey, not an essayist elite forum. There's no such thing as plagiarizing when you're engaging in forum discussions. But, it's always good to provide something to back up your claims.

As for your theory? It's flat out...poor. It wouldn't curb the weight issue, nor it would give better healthcare results. People would still adopt the same eating habits in the land of the free and that's the main thing.

Mikey said:
Nothing to do with it, but it's just there as a citation so it doesn't look like I'm plagarizing.

So, how's this theory? If we have many college graduates who are employed in the medical/health care field, then obesity would be less of a problem and the general health of all Americans, collectively would be better since many aspects of our health care system would be better and more efficient.
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ReginaStar said:
I just don't see why people concern themselves so much with other people. So what if their skinny. So what if their fat. So what if their healthy, so what if their not. People should be entilted to live their livess however they see fit. Alot of things people do are not healthy and our risky. So what's it's their life. Could you imagine someone telling you whather you had the right to have sex with other people, have plastic sugrery, eat bad foods regardless of weight and health, where you can live, what work you can do, etc.... Let others make their own choices. They have to live with them, not you.
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For the most part Regina I agree with your live and let live philosophy. However, nobody lives in a vacuum, as a small business owner, I can say that the lifestyle choices of my employees has a direct affect on my profit bottom line (what I pay in health insurance for my employees). I live in Arizona, we have no helmet law regarding motorcycles as opposed to other states. As a result the insurance premiums are much higher here for all, because many here choose to ride without a helmet.

Everybody pays more across the board for our current obesity crisis and not just healthcare costs, the travel industry, imports and exports (food), farming, and numerous more.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/558/obesity

Bottom line, we are all connected on this big blue marble, and the lifestyle choices of others do indeed have an affect on you me and everyone else.
 
LA said:
You can still be fat and healthy.

Just exercise and watch what you eat.
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Maybe we need a clear definition of what the collective thought on fat is because for too many years I think that fat has been matched with obesity so by fat do we mean slightly overweight or someone who's weight actually poses a health problem. Because by the video the OP posted it seems to be the latter.
 
Precisely. I know people who are in trades and they are doing quite well. Welding, electrician...hell, even people who spray houses for a living. They make ample money. Lots of work, but hey, at least they get more of an exercise regimen.

The only real disadvantage to acquiring a trade is that you're skilled in just one area and if you're laid off, you either...get another trade or look for some other work.

paniro187 said:
stfu with that crap dude. I know plenty of people with trades that see more money than people with a college degree. College is good for people that want to go but there needs to be a MAJOR PUSH for skilled labor also. Welders electricians and etc. A kid that is not cut out for college can make 20-25 an hour as a welder fresh out of highschool. once you start talking tig welding those guys are doing 30+ an hour. you give a kid that's not college bound a shot at that instead of saying college or bust.

and stop insisting what a country can do why don't you step up and push for what people can do for themselves.
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He's not a bad person, Paniro. He's...ehhhhh...can't really put my finger on it now. :smt090

paniro187 said:
that dude resides here


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LA said:
You can still be fat and healthy.

Just exercise and watch what you eat.
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Well said. And that's what the OP was saying. He was fat and healthy and knows others who are. And that the arrogant rude people who make ASSumptions without knowing, deserve a bop on the nose.
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BigBrotherWise said:
This is a forum, Mikey, not an essayist elite forum. There's no such thing as plagiarizing when you're engaging in forum discussions. But, it's always good to provide something to back up your claims.

As for your theory? It's flat out...poor. It wouldn't curb the weight issue, nor it would give better healthcare results. People would still adopt the same eating habits in the land of the free and that's the main thing.
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Yep, you're probably right.

LA said:
You can still be fat and healthy.
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Doesn't change the fact that people could still talk trash about those kinds of people behind their backs.
 
Alectrona said:
i thought you said that you weren't going to post during the week....
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Now you know he's always going to try to enlighten the uneducated masses whenever he thinks he has an opening somewhere even if the topic has nothing to do with what he wants to enlighten folks about......
 
Loki said:
For the most part Regina I agree with your live and let live philosophy. However, nobody lives in a vacuum, as a small business owner, I can say that the lifestyle choices of my employees has a direct affect on my profit bottom line (what I pay in health insurance for my employees). I live in Arizona, we have no helmet law regarding motorcycles as opposed to other states. As a result the insurance premiums are much higher here for all, because many here choose to ride without a helmet.

Everybody pays more across the board for our current obesity crisis and not just healthcare costs, the travel industry, imports and exports (food), farming, and numerous more.

http://www.globalissues.org/article/558/obesity

Bottom line, we are all connected on this big blue marble, and the lifestyle choices of others do indeed have an affect on you me and everyone else.
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But doesn't everyone have some vice that could be construed as dangerous.. The liability is spread around. Do you feel the same about a person working for you who smokes?

Whether you are overweight, underweight, smoke, drink alcohol, skydive, ride a motorcycle, drive your car at ridiculous speeds or whatever on and on. You can't dictate how others choose to live their lives as long as what they are doing is within the law.

People here think they can look on someones else's plate and dictate what's there. They need to get off it and worry on their own self.
 
JordanC said:
But doesn't everyone have some vice that could be construed as dangerous.. The liability is spread around. Do you feel the same about a person working for you who smokes?

Whether you are overweight, underweight, smoke, drink alcohol, skydive, ride a motorcycle, drive your car at ridiculous speeds or whatever on and on. You can't dictate how others choose to live their lives as long as what they are doing is within the law.

People here think they can look on someones else's plate and dictate what's there. They need to get off it and worry on their own self.
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Jordan we can agree that nobody can forcibly dictate how others live their lives. My point in my post is that the actions of others do in fact impact the lives of others, I was answering Regina's post where she said that the lives and choices of others have no impact on other people. Perhaps this is a sore spot for me because as an employer I pay an INSANE amount to offer my employees health insurance, and have quarterly fights with the insurance carriers who are looking for any excuse to raise my costs and someone working for me who is overweight or obese hits me directly in the pocket book in this regard. And yes, smokers, and those with other addictions/risk factors fall into this same category. My own personal insurance increased once my insurer discovered that I own and ride horses, so I understand this issue very well.

Now I pride myself on hiring the best person for the job regardless of their life choices or appearance, but I can tell you for a fact that many other small business owners do not feel the same way and discrimination against those who fall into such risk categories is rampant.
 
Loki said:
Jordan we can agree that nobody can forcibly dictate how others live their lives. My point in my post is that the actions of others do in fact impact the lives of others, I was answering Regina's post where she said that the lives and choices of others have no impact on other people. Perhaps this is a sore spot for me because as an employer I pay an INSANE amount to offer my employees health insurance, and have quarterly fights with the insurance carriers who are looking for any excuse to raise my costs and someone working for me who is overweight or obese hits me directly in the pocket book in this regard. And yes, smokers, and those with other addictions/risk factors fall into this same category. My own personal insurance increased once my insurer discovered that I own and ride horses, so I understand this issue very well.

Now I pride myself on hiring the best person for the job regardless of their life choices or appearance, but I can tell you for a fact that many other small business owners do not feel the same way and discrimination against those who fall into such risk categories is rampant.
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What do you think a solution to this would be?
 
Loki said:
Jordan we can agree that nobody can forcibly dictate how others live their lives. My point in my post is that the actions of others do in fact impact the lives of others, I was answering Regina's post where she said that the lives and choices of others have no impact on other people. Perhaps this is a sore spot for me because as an employer I pay an INSANE amount to offer my employees health insurance, and have quarterly fights with the insurance carriers who are looking for any excuse to raise my costs and someone working for me who is overweight or obese hits me directly in the pocket book in this regard. And yes, smokers, and those with other addictions/risk factors fall into this same category. My own personal insurance increased once my insurer discovered that I own and ride horses, so I understand this issue very well.

Now I pride myself on hiring the best person for the job regardless of their life choices or appearance, but I can tell you for a fact that many other small business owners do not feel the same way and discrimination against those who fall into such risk categories is rampant.
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So if your employees asked you to give up horses to keep the health insurance rates down........you would think that was doable to save money?? I mean it's the same thing in a different wrapper.
 
The Dark Knight said:
Yeah cause employers are in a position to ask their bosses that lol.

I wonder if crack heads should just be allowed to do crack
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Where do you work?? You don't pay premiums for your health insurance? You are one brick shy dude.

You work at a group home. Does the state pay 100% of your premiums or part comes out of your pocket.

My premiums are based on a lot of things and not 100% covered by the employer. Not by a long shot. So I care about the negotiations for cost on my behalf by my employer. It affects my pocket thank you.
 
pettyofficerj said:
if they asked Loki to give up horses and other dangerous shit, that will Christopher Reeve a mothafucka real quick, dude would bug-out
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In the group the premium cost is shared. One person's vice is everyones. If he can ask people to give up cake cause it costs the group money then I guess then they can do the same with horses. Or cigs. Or alcohol or whatever. It is what it is. If people don't like insurance the way it is get a health system like Canada or UK. :smt023
 
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