help..wonderful white women/parents

[The Dark King]

Ok, but you're talking about how society views them, I'm wondering how a parent should view them.

It's a topic I don't really understand. I don't get why it's negative to identify as bi-racial. And isn't labelling someone with mixed heritage as "black" reinforcing the "one drop rule", which is racist?

Honestly, I'm clueless, I want to understand this.

Defining ourselves by any race other than human supports racism but we have to be aware of how the world recieves us to navigate in it. Besides calling someone bi-racial has very little meaning when they're usually recieved as one thing. Kids who are Asian and white(I use this example because simpletons on this board love saying Asian is close enough to white) are more likely to be considered Asian before being considered either Asian and white or white.

 

[whikle]

Defining ourselves by any race other than human supports racism but we have to be aware of how the world recieves us to navigate in it. Besides calling someone bi-racial has very little meaning when they're usually recieved as one thing. Kids who are Asian and white(I use this example because simpletons on this board love saying Asian is close enough to white) are more likely to be considered Asian before being considered either Asian and white or white.

Ok, still don't think you're really answering my question though.

Ymra's clearly upset about women calling their kids bi-racial but he hasn't really said why.. Maybe it's obvious to you guys, but it's not to me. I just want to understand where you're all coming from.

Isn't it up to each person to identify how they see fit?

 

[The Dark King]

Ok, still don't think you're really answering my question though.

Ymra's clearly upset about women calling their kids bi-racial but he hasn't really said why.. Maybe it's obvious to you guys, but it's not to me. I just want to understand where you're all coming from.

Isn't it up to each person to identify how they see fit?

From my perspective teaching kids they're biracial creates a confusing experience because it implies you're of two races when more often than not you're only accepted and embraced by one.

As far as self identification goes that goes back to my whole thing about who and what. The world identifies the what but as individuals we identify the who. And how we see ourselves rarely includes our race unless it's in context to some sort of comparison. Maybe nationality goes into but for me personally not race. Like if you were going to write a self summary(dating sites not included) would feel it necessary to say you were white?

 

[whikle]

From my perspective teaching kids they're biracial creates a confusing experience because it implies you're of two races when more often than not you're only accepted and embraced by one.

As far as self identification goes that goes back to my whole thing about who and what. The world identifies the what but as individuals we identify the who. And how we see ourselves rarely includes our race unless it's in context to some sort of comparison. Maybe nationality goes into but for me personally not race. Like if you were going to write a self summary(dating sites not included) would feel it necessary to say you were white?

I guess it's a historical thing. For an Australian, if you have Aboriginal heritage whether it's direct or generations ago, it's offensive to suggest that you're anything other than Aboriginal. Which stems back to terms like "half-caste" which were used to separate light skinned Aboriginal people from dark and attempt to assimilate them into white society with a view to eliminate the Aboriginal race. So an Aboriginal person will proudly identify as black, but of course some still choose to identify with their white background as well. But terms like bi-racial or mixed really aren't common place. In fact, depending on the context, they'd probably be considered pretty inappropriate.

So I guess I'm supporting your/ymra's argument. I'm just thinking aloud.

I guess I just feel that every person deserves the right to identify however they like and it's not up to someone else to tell them what they are. If Obama calls himself a Black man, how dare someone tell him he's not black? And I guess by the same notion, if someone identifies as bi-racial, how can you say that they're not?

 

[ReginaStar]

I had to read this muck again and again to figure out what the hell you were trying to say. You missed the entire point my backwards, hick country, slack jawed yokel.

Calling a child "bi-racial" in no way shape or form EMBRACES their heritage, and that is the utter stupidity of it all. White women trying to to red badge themselves and their children to be something OTHER THAN.

My children have black father and a Japanese mother. And calling them "bi-racial" by no measurable means bring credit to both heritages. In addition, white women running around complaining about how another person relates to their own children is fucking stupid.

Does it make you feel like a man to insult and call a woman names b/c you don't agree with her opinions?

If you aint biracial and you aint calling yourself biracial then apparently you can't understand what it does or doesn't do.

 

[MissWacy]

I guess it's a historical thing. For an Australian, if you have Aboriginal heritage whether it's direct or generations ago, it's offensive to suggest that you're anything other than Aboriginal. Which stems back to terms like "half-caste" which were used to separate light skinned Aboriginal people from dark and attempt to assimilate them into white society with a view to eliminate the Aboriginal race. So an Aboriginal person will proudly identify as black, but of course some still choose to identify with their white background as well. But terms like bi-racial or mixed really aren't common place. In fact, depending on the context, they'd probably be considered pretty inappropriate.

So I guess I'm supporting your/ymra's argument. I'm just thinking aloud.

I guess I just feel that every person deserves the right to identify however they like and it's not up to someone else to tell them what they are. If Obama calls himself a Black man, how dare someone tell him he's not black? And I guess by the same notion, if someone identifies as bi-racial, how can you say that they're not?

:smt023

 

[Ymra]

So in a world that thrives on labels, how do you label your children? Not tryin' to be obtuse, it's a genuine question.

I've already said so

My children have a black father and a Japanese mother. My point is two fold

1. bi-racial doesn't "acknowledge the other race" the thought is stupid and in American society this commonly only referes to black/white. And white parents thinks this somehow make them special or "more than" I have over 1,000 people on my facebook (after today it will be a bit less) and you just wouldn't image how man

"...took my bi-racial kids to the zoo today"
"...I just love my bi-racial kids"
"...my son is, 6'1 and a beautiful bi-racial boy"
"...this guy said something negative about my bi-racial child"

(these are actually status updates from just last week)....

2. white women (Paniro) and white man demanding that other's call their children "bi-racial" has got to stop.

 

[whikle]

I've already said so

My children have a black father and a Japanese mother. My point is two fold

1. bi-racial doesn't "acknowledge the other race" the thought is stupid and in American society this commonly only referes to black/white. And white parents thinks this somehow make them special or "more than" I have over 1,000 people on my facebook (after today it will be a bit less) and you just wouldn't image how man

"...took my bi-racial kids to the zoo today"
"...I just love my bi-racial kids"
"...my son is, 6'1 and a beautiful bi-racial boy"
"...this guy said something negative about my bi-racial child"

(these are actually status updates from just last week)....

2. white women (Paniro) and white man demanding that other's call their children "bi-racial" has got to stop.

Ok, I get the wearing it like a badge of honour thing. That's just stupid and those status updates are ridiculous. What the hell are they trying to prove?

And when I think about it, the people I know who have mixed parentage have talked about it to me in ways like you mentioned.

 

[Ymra]

Does it make you feel like a man to insult and call a woman names b/c you don't agree with her opinions?

If you aint biracial and you aint calling yourself biracial then apparently you can't understand what it does or doesn't do.

you are new, so I'll chalk it up to you not knowing who the heck you are talking too...I'm Ymra

I respond to stupidity the same way, regardless of gender....and it doesn't make me feel like a man, it makes me feel like Ymra. My masculinity is not tied down to how many idiots I call idiots. Idiot

Also my grandfather was/is an Irishman, and the idea of me walking around talking about "bi-racial" is stupid.

I have already ascertained that you lack the common sense god gave a soup spork. I ignore you because any attempt that witty banter is lost on the witless and also arguing with a closed minded garden gnome isn't all that much fun. In any event....

BI-RACIAL says "two races" it does not say which races. So the idea that somehow calling a child "bi-racial" bring credit to the "other race" is silly. The term itself doesn't bring credit to any race. AND....YOU (not this is directly at you specifically)...

...up in arms because a person with an Asian father and a Black mother. Or a white mother and black father and doesn't call themselves "bi-racial" is just stupid to me.

 

[whikle]

BI-RACIAL says "two races" it does not say which races. So the idea that somehow calling a child "bi-racial" bring credit to the "other race" is silly. The term itself doesn't bring credit to any race.

there's the answer I was looking for...

 

[Ymra]

Ok, I get the wearing it like a badge of honour thing. That's just stupid and those status updates are ridiculous. What the hell are they trying to prove?

And when I think about it, the people I know who have mixed parentage have talked about it to me in ways like you mentioned.

LOL...I have NO IDEA. But (at leas tin the US) everyone wants to be something "OTHER" ...

My children choose who and what they are. My job is to guide them. My 14 year old identifies as "asian" My 6 year old...

...this is how she sees herself.

both speak fluent Japanese, and both probably know more about black history than most adults. Calling them "bi-racial" does what actually?

....more to point, ladies if the ONLYTHING you kids know about being black is that daddy's cock was black...........you fucking failed.

 

[ReginaStar]

For those of yall that are having biracial children but refuse to acknowledge them as such and refuse to try and understand the reasons why people that identify as biracial do why not take the time to go to the source?

Tiffany Jones on youtube. She has what she calls mulatto diaries and she refers to herself as biracial Tiffany. She is a good place to start. She actually identified as black for most of her life b/c that is how her mom (black) taught her to identify but now she identifies a biracial and finally feels whole with herself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x1fA6xaAW4&feature=channel_video_title

This guy Phillip he has it together
http://www.youtube.com/user/tiffdjones#p/u/12/N6PymmviDRY

This girl is great if you watch no other one I recommend this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OujJGf-nbpI

http://multiracial.com/site/component/option,com_weblinks/catid,16/Itemid,23
http://www.cookiesandcreamteam.com/cookies and cream_006.htm
http://projectrace.com/
http://mavinfoundation.org/
http://www.ipride.org/
http://meltingpotmoms.org/default.aspx
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/multiracial.americans
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/profile.php?id=100000753976838

 

[Ymra]

For those of yall that are having biracial children but refuse to acknowledge them as such and refuse to try and understand the reasons why people that identify as biracial do why not take the time to go to the source?

Tiffany Jones on youtube. She has what she calls mulatto diaries and she refers to herself as biracial Tiffany. She is a good place to start. She actually identified as black for most of her life b/c that is how her mom (black) taught her to identify but now she identifies a biracial and finally feels whole with herself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x1fA6xaAW4&feature=channel_video_title

This guy Phillip he has it together
http://www.youtube.com/user/tiffdjones#p/u/12/N6PymmviDRY

This girl is great if you watch no other one I recommend this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OujJGf-nbpI

http://multiracial.com/site/component/option,com_weblinks/catid,16/Itemid,23
http://www.cookiesandcreamteam.com/cookies and cream_006.htm
http://projectrace.com/
http://mavinfoundation.org/
http://www.ipride.org/
http://meltingpotmoms.org/default.aspx
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/multiracial.americans
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/profile.php?id=100000753976838

the bitch calls herself BI-RACIAL TIFFINAY!

BWAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA today of all days, I am so glad you are here to be the example of what I'm talking about.

 

[ReginaStar]

But people are not identifying SOLEY as biracial. They are identifying as their multiple races. They are checking the black and the white box, etc. They are saying I'm biracial my mom is __ my dad is ___. The only time I hear I'm ___ alone is when they say I'm mixed and it's understood in there area that people associate the word mixed to black and white. Those of other "mixed" categories do not identify solely as mixed but rather Hapa or something to that affect.

 

[ReginaStar]

Just curious are you also offended at Creole? Or what about black? Black can mean American, African, British, Jamaican, and so many more. Same with the other races.

 

[ReginaStar]

you are new, so I'll chalk it up to you not knowing who the heck you are talking too...I'm Ymra

I respond to stupidity the same way, regardless of gender....and it doesn't make me feel like a man, it makes me feel like Ymra. My masculinity is not tied down to how many idiots I call idiots. Idiot

Also my grandfather was/is an Irishman, and the idea of me walking around talking about "bi-racial" is stupid.

I have already ascertained that you lack the common sense god gave a soup spork. I ignore you because any attempt that witty banter is lost on the witless and also arguing with a closed minded garden gnome isn't all that much fun. In any event....

BI-RACIAL says "two races" it does not say which races. So the idea that somehow calling a child "bi-racial" bring credit to the "other race" is silly. The term itself doesn't bring credit to any race. AND....YOU (not this is directly at you specifically)...

...up in arms because a person with an Asian father and a Black mother. Or a white mother and black father and doesn't call themselves "bi-racial" is just stupid to me.

A real MAN or WOMAN does resort to personal insults just b/c others don't agree. It is childish.

So your friends with all these people and don't know the race of their children already that you would be offended that cause you don't know what races they are referring to when they say biracial. OKKKKK maybe you should get to know your friends a little better.

Do you get offended at your children being called Asian since it does not specifically describe the fact they are Japanese?

 

[ReginaStar]

Celebrate Your Child’s Multiethnic Heritage

Which biracial kids have the best chance of success? Research indicates that they’re the kids allowed to embrace all components of their heritage. Multiracial children forced to choose a single-race identity tend to suffer from this inauthentic expression of self. Unfortunately, society often pressures mixed-race individuals to choose just one race because of the outdated “one-drop rule” which mandated that Americans with any African heritage be classified as black. It wasn’t until 2000 that the U.S. Census Bureau allowed citizens to identify as more than one race. That year the Census found that about 4% of children in the U.S. are multiracial.

How mixed children racially identify depends on a number of factors, including physical features and family attachments. Two multiethnic siblings who look as if they belong to different races may not identify the same way. Parents, however, can teach children that racial identity is more complicated than what someone looks like on the outside.

In addition to physical appearance, mixed children may choose a racial identity based on which parent they spend time with most. This especially proves true when interracial couples separate, causing their children to see one parent more than the other. Spouses who take an interest in their mate’s cultural backgrounds will be more equipped to teach children about all aspects of their heritage should divorce occur. Familiarize yourself with the customs, religions and languages that play roles in your mate’s background. On the other hand, if you’re alienated from your own cultural heritage but want your children to recognize it, visit older family members, museums and your country of origin (if applicable) to learn more. This will enable you to pass traditions on to your kids.
http://racerelations.about.com/od/r...a/RaisingBiracialChildrentoBeWellAdjusted.htm

http://www.thelearningcommunity.us/resources-by-format/tips-for-parents/dive

About Project RACE
Biracial and multiracial people do not have a box to check on forms. Being forced to choose only one race forces us to deny one of our parents. It also requires us to do something illegal, since we are defining ourselves as something we are not.

Multiracial people should have the option of recognizing all of their heritage. "Multiracial" is important so that children have an identity, a correct terminology for who they are. "Other" means different, a label that no person should bear. Also, without proper racial and ethnic classifications, multiracial people are "invisible" in the health care system.

Mission Statement
Project RACE advocates for multiracial children and adults through education, community awareness and legislation. Our main goal is for a multiracial classification on all school, employment, state, federal, local, census and medical forms requiring racial data.

 

[The Dark King]

Maybe you guys can help out but why is identifying yourself with a particular heritage so important to some of you. I acknowledge that I have a Jamaican background but that has lessless to do with him who I am than who my parents are. Sure it influences it to a minimal degree but growing up as an American had a much stronger impact in my opinion. What im doing now has way more to do with my choices now than my grandfather herding goats in Maypen. I just never got the need for the connection, I dictate who I am not the genetic accidents that determined my past.
Am I making sense?

 

[xoxo]

If you are anyone you know is doing the following please ask them to stop immediately.

Please stop repeating "BI-RACIAL" as if it were a breed of dog like a Yorkipoo or Chihuachshund. It also is not a badge of honor like the Purple Heart. Please stop walking around as if it entitles you to 15% off and John Steak House. Its starting to get on my nerves, like the new pet poodle or lil adopted Asian children from China. Also please telling people that NOT calling themselves or their children BI-RACIAL somehow betrays part of their race.

Also, if you seem them could you also ask them to stop DEMANDING that other children or men and women who have one white parent and one black parent are BI-RACIAL. Please no more questions about "Why do we call Obama black" or "Why doesn't Halley Berry call her children bi-racial"

Your faux righteous indignation is troubling me and starting to get on my nerves.

You taking black penis and carry black male sperm, while appreciated, makes you no more or no less than any other woman. In this age of "I'm different" I understand the pressure but if you are doing this or you knowing else how is.......please ask them to stop, immediately.

They should only stop when Black parents stop the inverse.

 

[Ymra]

Maybe you guys can help out but why is identifying yourself with a particular heritage so important to some of you. I acknowledge that I have a Jamaican background but that has lessless to do with him who I am than who my parents are. Sure it influences it to a minimal degree but growing up as an American had a much stronger impact in my opinion. What im doing now has way more to do with my choices now than my grandfather herding goats in Maypen. I just never got the need for the connection, I dictate who I am not the genetic accidents that determined my past.
Am I making sense?

I understand the need for a connection. If you don't know where you came from how can you know where you are going. But this belief that calling a child "bi-racial" does that is silly.

The idea that calling a child "bi-racial" bring credit to both races is even more silly. Or that is somehow bring closer "heritage" is just silly to me.

I'm telling you man, (some) white women use it as if it makes them special, or they should be celebrated, and in many cases they are the one that are bringing exclusion to their own children. you will never here me say "I took my bi-racial daughter to the zoo today" but these women don't even identify their children as "son or daughter" without first adding "bi-racial" at the beginning.