That's pretty much what I was thinking.
Jewish WW Are Less Likely To Be W/ BM Than Non-Jewish WW
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That's pretty much what I was thinking.
swirlman07
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Hummm, that's pretty "interesting" considering the role of Jewish people in black causes. In fact, it's known that Jews have long identified with the struggles of Blacks based on their own historical persecution. Jews have been denigrated in the South and other areas, and are often mentioned in the same breath as being equally hated, and therefore sharing a common bond of prejudice.
The first black president of the NAACP and some of the founding members were Jews. Jews were disproportionately involved in the early voting rights, lunch counter sit-ins and died also during those times of involvement. Many of the early record companies were started by Jews because they enjoyed black music, r &b, jazz and blues. Jews have been married to many well known blacks and athletes.
I personally have not witnessed any real prejudice against black men. I have known black men who dated Jewish teachers, doctors and one even offered to be a surrogate mother for a man that met. So, go figure...
what do you think about that subject?
The Dark King
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I'm all for perserving the human race but perserving ethnicities for the sake of vanity which is what most of these people tend to do is childish. The idea that your customs and traditions won't be preserved because your descedants don't look like you is ridiculous.
Its an illustration of how petty and idiotic some people are. The more genetix diversity the better for our species. Life tends to pick the best of both ethnicities when people have offspring ie children who are half black and asian tend to not have sickle cell or be lactose intolerant which are diseases know to both races seperately.
very true, i also heard many years ago racial purity was practised and children didnt make it past infancy due to genetic diseases or something, i do find it very weird when people go on like theyd die to preserve their colour of skin, its a tad bit obsessive
The Dark King
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Its natural selection at its best. People so stupid to believe that shit have offspring that don't make it to the next generation.
Its amazing how the insecure can so much influence.
Inner Beauty
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Thank you for this. As a Jewish woman, it's nice to see people who have positive views/outlooks on us.
This is about to sound ignorant, but I'll have a BMs baby...smh
The Dark King
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IB be real babygirl. You grew up in NY too (Jew Haven) and you have to admit you're a rarity my friend.
Inner Beauty
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I don't agree that NY is a Jewish Haven anymore than it is PR/Dominican/West Indian/Chinese etc. I was raised more in LA than NY, but regardless, yes, I may be a rarity, but not all Jewish women are monolithic. I meet a lot of Jews who I differ from ethnically, but we're all still Jewish, but different. Jewish is a religion, yes, but it's also culture and because we're becoming somewhat extinct, you're taught to keep it Jewish. Being that I'm a woman and my child will be Jewish regardless under Jewish law, I'm not a religious person, so it's not about teaching them the Torah and all the traditions, although the latter comes with the culture, so that'll be a given, but it's about keeping a sense of unity. That's all that is.
Inner Beauty
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The Dark King
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I grew up in Westchester and most of the white people are either Jewish Italian or Irish and the jews seem to be the only ones gung ho about jews marrying jews. Yeah I know individually everyone is different but culturally there's a different story.
Inner Beauty
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I already explained why they're "gung ho". I also explained the latter and I'm Jewish.
desreveRsIgnitirW
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Interesting.
Inner Beauty
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swirlman07
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You are welcome. For me, it's really about offering alternate viewpoints to fight against any misconceptions and erroneous stereotype of people.
I don't agree that NY is a Jewish Haven anymore than it is PR/Dominican/West Indian/Chinese etc. I was raised more in LA than NY, but regardless, yes, I may be a rarity, but not all Jewish women are monolithic. I meet a lot of Jews who I differ from ethnically, but we're all still Jewish, but different. Jewish is a religion, yes, but it's also culture and because we're becoming somewhat extinct, you're taught to keep it Jewish. Being that I'm a woman and my child will be Jewish regardless under Jewish law, I'm not a religious person, so it's not about teaching them the Torah and all the traditions, although the latter comes with the culture, so that'll be a given, but it's about keeping a sense of unity. That's all that is.
I certainly agree with you. People are far too different to be thought of in very measured and narrow ways. Whenever you try to assume anything about any group of people, you always get surprised.
Talk about diversity of thought, Orthodox, Reform and Messianic. Now, there's some real different viewpoints. I think that many Americans view religion and culture as being more integrated than is actually the case with some religions, like Judaism and Islam. In those cases, as you suggested, there is very much a separate cultural aspect apart from the religion.
I think that many people don't understand the impact of the assimilation of Jewish people, and the fight to maintain the culture. It's no different than the effort of many Black people to attempt to recapture a lost African culture. Unfortunately, we have never known our original religion and culture and it's lost to us. Some would argue that this has resulted in Black Americans feeling disjointed, without a sense of origin.
Inner Beauty
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I feel the same way. I mean it's hard to group people into one set way of thinking, acting or believing. Like I explained, I meet a lot of Jewish people and we differ cause my background is different than many American Jews. Yes, we're both Jewish and share similar traditions, but I'm a mix of two different types of Jews, ethnically, and I was raised to be more my mothers kind, whereas a lot of Americans are my fathers kind. I was raised reformed, yet I have an uncle who follows Orthodox traditions and an aunt who's Conservative, but most of my family as a whole are Reformed, but they still like to keep things traditionally Jewish. This is course since you understand the ways of Judaism, this is the way you go about the religion. I have Christian and Catholic members in my family, so there has been some intermarrying going on, but the core of my family still likes to keep Jewish traditions. With that said, I'm more culturally Jewish than I am religiously. I know you being a BM in America, understand how important it is to know research your lineage, your culture, traditions and whatever you can learn that is missing. There's a sense of pride and a basis for a family, regardless of race etc.
orejon4
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My second girlfriend ever was Jewish. Her family were from the more secular/intellectual/liberal mold, though. Interestingly enough, as she got older she got more 'serious' about discovering her 'inner Jew' as she put it, and ended up as a housewife in an unhappy marriage (according to her sister) with an orthodox guy who is domineering and controls everything, including her skirt length.
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In my city of NY, many yiddishe mamas have been with BM. More common th
an you think.
http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/brooklyn_babylon.htm
Brooklyn Babylon looks at the complexities of a relationship between two people from completely different worlds. Solomon (Tariq Trotter) is black. He's an MC. His hip-hop group is trying to succeed while remaining independent. His spiritual background is Rastafarian. Sarah (Karen Goberman) is white. She comes from a Hasidic Jewish background. Her family is very traditional; dogmatic; deeply religious. Yet Sol and Sarah share an obstinate love and compassion for one another.
The film begins by going back and forth between each character, highlighting some cultural differences: Sol and his group (The Roots) practicing, Sarah at a traditional Jewish wedding. Sol and Sarah's worlds collide at an intersection dividing the Jewish and black communities in Brooklyn when their cars crash. She is driving home from the wedding with her fiancé-whom she doesn't love-and a few other young men. Sol is driving home with his manager, a long-time friend. And while Sol's manager and Sarah's fiancé curse at one another-Sol's manager tells the Jews they are on the wrong side of the dividing line-Sarah and Sol share an enchanting moment; their attraction to one another seems apparent.
Sol and Sarah again cross paths not long after this incident in a beautiful garden that joins their respective neighborhoods. They share a mutual allure that is evident in the way they look at and talk to each other. But Sarah is scared of what may happen if the two are seen together because of the existing prejudices amongst the blacks and Jews in Brooklyn. Her fear intensifies when her fiancé's car is bombed: she thinks Sol and his manager are involved until she confronts Sol about the occurrence and sees that he is genuinely hurt that she would suspect him.
The car bombing exacerbates the already shaky relationship between the neighboring blacks and Jews; however, Sol and Sarah continue to pursue their interest in one another amidst the turmoil. "I know you," he says to her during an early conversation, pointing out a mystical connection between the two. And as their relationship grows, the conflict between the blacks and Jews grows also.
One interesting aspect of the film is how the elders of each religion respond to Sol and Sarah's relationship, and interracial relationships in general. During a family dinner Sarah asks her father why they never have anyone other than Jews in their home if their mandate is to love their neighbors. Her father can't come up with a sufficient reason. In contrast, when Sol discusses the subject with the Rastafarian elders they are much more accepting: love is love; they explain that race doesn't matter.
Some viewers might argue that the film is somewhat anti-Semitic, but Brooklyn Babylon takes the same approach as Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing by showing each race involved in the film's various conflicts as equally flawed. Both the blacks and Jews caught up in the ongoing struggles are shown as equally narrow-minded and intolerant. Neither race is favored over the other.
The film's premise is that love can overcome adversity, no matter how tremendous. And while this theme may seem cliché, or overdone, screenwriter Marc Levin (Slam) presents this story creatively; Brooklyn Babylon has an original, mystical feel and spiritual ambiance to it. The theme is brought to life through creative narration and biblical allusions. And first timer Tariq Trotter, hip-hop MC Black Thought of The Roots, seems very natural in his role as the film's protagonist. His first few exchanges with Sarah have that awkward, exciting feel of a budding relationship.
Another interesting characteristic of the film is Sol's devotion to his art form. When his manager presents him with a contract, which includes a large signing bonus, Sol turns it down, deciding instead to maintain creative control of his music. He refuses to compromise, just as he refuses to compromise his faith and love for Sarah.
look like a good movie. need to check it out
Inner Beauty
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That's sad that she succumbed to thinking that was a better choice in the cultural aspect of things.