My later statement was from a Egyptian point of view, due to the fact they are pretty much clueless about the rest of Africa. However, in Nigeria Sophie would be consider half cast, due to the fact she has a European mother, if she let it be known since she can blend in with the population very well. Whereas Monalisa Chinda has no racial admixtures, she is just simply a lightskinn igbo girl, or the expression a yellow paw paw, as i remember. However from a igbo perspective if your father is igbo therefore the child is igbo, irregardless of the ethnicity or race of the mother, due to the fact the child carries the father name.
Interesting. That reminds me of the way Jews determine "Jewish-ness" by matrilineal descent. If your mother is a Jew, so are you. However, there is a great amount of intra-Jewish discrimination toward black, African and Asian Jews and Ashkenazi(European) Jews still largely dominate international Jewish affairs. Coincidence?
Because if he was trying to catch a cab, or pulled over in the wrong neighborhood, or was walking in your direction at night and asked you for the time, or had 4 kids out of wedlock with multiple mothers you wouldn't have people, mostly white people from what I've seen no offense, waxing idiotic about how he's "biracial" and not Black. I always found it funny (not the ha-ha kind) how people didn't start harping on how "He's not REALLY Black" until it looked like he might actually have a shot at becoming President. Once he locked up the nomination it just got worse. Kind of reminds me of how when Hines Ward (half-black/Korean) was a kid back in Korea people would spit on him and his mother. But after he became MVP all of the sudden South Koreans wanted to claim him. But they sure as hell don't go around claiming other Blacks/Korean mixes. Not at all. So part of me can't help but roll my eyes when people talk about the President being "biracial and not really Black". Like he's said before the world has always seen and treated him as a Black man, period. I also think this plays into it, which is something I wrote regarding the subject several months ago. Feel free to ignore it. I know a lot of people here hate long posts:
Well said. You said it better and more succinctly than I, but the quote below was what I was trying to get at:
I really didn't want to bump this thread but Obama is 100% Indonesian. Compare with Jokowi or other Javanese figures to get an idea. His geography is very suspicious too. His Kenyan father and white mother are ACTORS. The mixed race thing is a lie. No way a black African man or a white American mother could make a child with that phenotype. Another similar example is Nelson Mandela. Look closely. Just another example of the US government lying about everything.
I think this simple rule helps make it clear: Would Barack Obama have been a slave in 1850? Would he have had to ride in the back of the bus in 1950? The answer to both questions is "definitely yes, he would have been." So, he's Black. Maybe 100 years from now this will no longer be true, but for now, the history of race in America has made it pretty clear that someone in Obama's shoes is a Black man.
Yeah indeed I like to go with that type of argument. You can claim to be what ever race you want but what matters is what the COPS think you are when they pull your ass over or what TSA thinks you are when they are scanning you at the airport.
Hard to believe someone actually started a thread about this. Guess far too many people bought into the colorblind/post racial AmeriKKKa myth.
There was a time when the forum had some participants (all male, if memory serves me correctly) from countries that didn’t adhere to the one drop rule (a Brazilian in particular comes to mind) who objected to the more Anglosphere-defined approach to race from both sociopolitical and genetic perspectives. I don’t think those members every truly grasped the power of the US hegemonic view of things, nor the power of the US view to drive international views of things. Also, one of the women at the outset of this thread used a racial purity absolutist position to argue that anyone who does not fit a stereotypical, extremely dark example of a black person is necessarily biracial. This is refuted by the scientific evidence showing extreme genetic variation among sub-Saharan Africam populations, even absent or independent of recent European admixture.
While those particular posters may no longer be around, sadly some variant of those viewpoints will never go away. It always leaves me scratching my head when individuals who live in a specific kind of bubble interact with others because it never ends on a positive note. They end up coming off as disconnected & ignorant and everyone else comes off as "bad people" for trying to inform them of the reality of things.
True. When you are in a discussion with someone with these viewpoints, it's hard to end it well. Insisting that the social reality of people of African descent is that they are perceived as such, regardless of the level of pigment puts you in the perverse position of feeling that you are upholding the racist practices you are simply pointing out. I don't think I'm explaining myself well, but I hope you get where I'm coming from. It's weird.
No worries. You explained everything just fine. People are going to People regardless. Warts & all. Anti-blackness is a universal thing thanks to White Supremacy and all the various dogma that comes from it.
I used to get in exactly such Catch 22 situations where arguing that the one drop rule existed historically put me in the position of sounding like I supported it. Simply noting the existence of something doesn't mean I think it's right.
