TRUMP Thread

[andreboba]

Understanding someone's point of view is perfectly fine and necessary, but it doesn't require sympathy or empathy to do so.

Like for instance, I understand the mindset of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer and why he killed and ate all those dudes. Doesn't mean I sympathize or have empathy for him.

 

[Beasty]

Understanding someone's point of view is perfectly fine and necessary, but it doesn't require sympathy or empathy to do so.

Exactly

 

[K]

It's one thing to understand the mindset and the dynamic. It's another to sympathize or empathize with someone. I think part of the problem is there has been way too much tolerance, sympathy, empathy and babying of those who don't deserve it and it certainly has not helped at all. Where's their sympathy and empathy? Hundreds of years of stomping all over others and now those others are to be sympathetic and understanding? It's not going to happen. They themselves are the ones who created the culture of fear and distrust.

I'll tell you what...I'm someone who is considered an "empath" and some of the worst mistakes in my life have come because I empathized with people instead of making sure me and mine were taken care of first. It's important to understand.....maybe, but that doesn't mean validating. People go way too far. It's gone way past the idea of tolerating people's life choices and such. It used to be - live and let live, as long as they were not harming anyone else. That's great in theory, however, they were and are harming others. Given that's the case - NO PASS! When you place yourself in a position where it's a win/lose situation, someone is going to lose. It's their game, they created it and now that they are afraid they may lose, they want to change the game....and people should be understanding and sympathetic to their plight?! REALLY?! What plight? That's just more of the same old circular talk bullshit. It's psychopathic, arrogant bullshit. And there are actually people out there who still want to buy into it.

Bottom line - it really doesn't matter WHY someone acts the way they do. Understanding the why isn't going to change the circumstances. If someone goes in and blows away a bunch of people in a building, does the fact that he has mental illness, was abused as a child, tortured, a vegan, didn't get to win the lotto, wasn't given his dream job, didn't get head from his wife on a nightly basis, or whatever other crap has gone on, change the fact that he killed a bunch of innocent people? NO. Still have to deal with the consequences of what happens and the impact on everyone else. Maybe once all that is dealt with down the road some time then the causes can be addressed. But you can't unring that bell.

 

[Beasty]

It's one thing to understand the mindset and the dynamic. It's another to sympathize or empathize with someone. I think part of the problem is there has been way too much tolerance, sympathy, empathy and babying of those who don't deserve it and it certainly has not helped at all. Where's their sympathy and empathy? Hundreds of years of stomping all over others and now those others are to be sympathetic and understanding? It's not going to happen. They themselves are the ones who created the culture of fear and distrust.

I'll tell you what...I'm someone who is considered an "empath" and some of the worst mistakes in my life have come because I empathized with people instead of making sure me and mine were taken care of first. It's important to understand.....maybe, but that doesn't mean validating. People go way too far. It's gone way past the idea of tolerating people's life choices and such. It used to be - live and let live, as long as they were not harming anyone else. That's great in theory, however, they were and are harming others. Given that's the case - NO PASS! When you place yourself in a position where it's a win/lose situation, someone is going to lose. It's their game, they created it and now that they are afraid they may lose, they want to change the game....and people should be understanding and sympathetic to their plight?! REALLY?! What plight? That's just more of the same old circular talk bullshit. It's psychopathic, arrogant bullshit. And there are actually people out there who still want to buy into it.

Bottom line - it really doesn't matter WHY someone acts the way they do. Understanding the why isn't going to change the circumstances. If someone goes in and blows away a bunch of people in a building, does the fact that he has mental illness, was abused as a child, tortured, a vegan, didn't get to win the lotto, wasn't given his dream job, didn't get head from his wife on a nightly basis, or whatever other crap has gone on, change the fact that he killed a bunch of innocent people? NO. Still have to deal with the consequences of what happens and the impact on everyone else. Maybe once all that is dealt with down the road some time then the causes can be addressed. But you can't unring that bell.

Couldn't possibly be said better! Excellent post!!

 

[Beasty]

It's one thing to understand the mindset and the dynamic. It's another to sympathize or empathize with someone. I think part of the problem is there has been way too much tolerance, sympathy, empathy and babying of those who don't deserve it and it certainly has not helped at all. Where's their sympathy and empathy? Hundreds of years of stomping all over others and now those others are to be sympathetic and understanding? It's not going to happen. They themselves are the ones who created the culture of fear and distrust.

I'll tell you what...I'm someone who is considered an "empath" and some of the worst mistakes in my life have come because I empathized with people instead of making sure me and mine were taken care of first. It's important to understand.....maybe, but that doesn't mean validating. People go way too far. It's gone way past the idea of tolerating people's life choices and such. It used to be - live and let live, as long as they were not harming anyone else. That's great in theory, however, they were and are harming others. Given that's the case - NO PASS! When you place yourself in a position where it's a win/lose situation, someone is going to lose. It's their game, they created it and now that they are afraid they may lose, they want to change the game....and people should be understanding and sympathetic to their plight?! REALLY?! What plight? That's just more of the same old circular talk bullshit. It's psychopathic, arrogant bullshit. And there are actually people out there who still want to buy into it.

Bottom line - it really doesn't matter WHY someone acts the way they do. Understanding the why isn't going to change the circumstances. If someone goes in and blows away a bunch of people in a building, does the fact that he has mental illness, was abused as a child, tortured, a vegan, didn't get to win the lotto, wasn't given his dream job, didn't get head from his wife on a nightly basis, or whatever other crap has gone on, change the fact that he killed a bunch of innocent people? NO. Still have to deal with the consequences of what happens and the impact on everyone else. Maybe once all that is dealt with down the road some time then the causes can be addressed. But you can't unring that bell.

Don't ever tolerate shitty dead weight people. If you have before don't ever do it again. You deserve better. Its not your responsibility to feel for a bunch of backward self-centered tards.

Enjoy your life with the people that are at least striving to get to your level.

When people wallow in their self inflicted misery, no fucks given. Got plenty of ice cream and whisky for the show.

 

[K]

Don't ever tolerate shitty dead weight people. If you have before don't ever do it again. You deserve better. Its not your responsibility to feel for a bunch of backward self-centered tards.

Enjoy your life with the people that are at least striving to get to your level.

When people wallow in their self inflicted misery, no fucks given. Got plenty of ice cream and whisky for the show.

Yah sometimes I have to remind myself of such things and that is NOT helpful to anyone to be tolerating bullshit.

LOL - LOVE this "Got plenty of ice cream and whisky for the show."!! Just the other night, I was telling a friend about something and we were talking about how sometimes you just have to go for the entertainment value of the crap and figure it's the _____ shit show (fill in the blank with whoever's name)

 

[RicardoCooper]

Don't ever tolerate shitty dead weight people. If you have before don't ever do it again. You deserve better. Its not your responsibility to feel for a bunch of backward self-centered tards.

Enjoy your life with the people that are at least striving to get to your level.

When people wallow in their self inflicted misery, no fucks given. Got plenty of ice cream and whisky for the show.

This is kind of going on in my life right this minute. Needed to hear this

 

[Peach State Scholar]

 

[Tamstrong]

 

[bodhesatva]

Well I guess I'll just have to disagree with a lot of you guys (and disagreement is fine!)

If someone were to ask me "Do you feel there is just too much empathy and tolerance in today's society?" my answer would unequivocally be no. I think we're heading in a dangerous direction, where two groups of Americans hate each other and view the other as "the enemy," with little interest in understanding or liking one another.

This doesn't mean I'm endorsing the "law and order" approach -- where, as MLK said, white moderates valued order more than justice for their black brothers. Far from it. I'm saying we need to walk and chew gum at the same time: we need to disagree with white, male conservatives, and condemn their wrongness, while simultaneously reaching out and trying to understand their point of view. Or, as MLK also said, "We must love our white brothers, no matter what they do to us. We must make them know that we love them. Jesus still cries out in words that echo across the centuries: "Love your enemies; bless them that curse you; pray for them that despitefully use you." This is what we must live by. "

 

[Ol'Skool Classic]

The problem isn't with people needing to show empathy, understanding and tolerance towards white male conservatives and other like minded individuals. The problem is that they don't believe that they need to do the same. Their whole approach is only to preserve and spread their narrow world view and values. They have no interest in empathy & tolerance for anything or anyone outside their bubble.

 

[Beasty]

Well I guess I'll just have to disagree with a lot of you guys (and disagreement is fine!)

If someone were to ask me "Do you feel there is just too much empathy and tolerance in today's society?" my answer would unequivocally be no. I think we're heading in a dangerous direction, where two groups of Americans hate each other and view the other as "the enemy," with little interest in understanding or liking one another.

This doesn't mean I'm endorsing the "law and order" approach -- where, as MLK said, white moderates valued order more than justice for their black brothers. Far from it. I'm saying we need to walk and chew gum at the same time: we need to disagree with white, male conservatives, and condemn their wrongness, while simultaneously reaching out and trying to understand their point of view. Or, as MLK also said, "We must love our white brothers, no matter what they do to us. We must make them know that we love them. Jesus still cries out in words that echo across the centuries: "Love your enemies; bless them that curse you; pray for them that despitefully use you." This is what we must live by. "

Sure, feel free to disagree all you want.

The lack of love doesn't automatically imply hate. I have nothing to gain by loving my enemies. No thanks. I owe them nothing.

 

[Beasty]

I thought Dotard's supporters were supposed to be bad asses anyway. They been assaulting people every since the man started running for office. A bunch of wanna be tough guys. They need my sympathy for what reason?

 

[ColiBreh1]

Anybody who foolishly thought that the mainstream media was genuine about taking down President Trump instead of them using his presidency as a ratings-grab, should look at this stupid AF Stormy Daniels controversy/scandal.


Do y'all actually give a fucc that Trump who has been a famous celeb for decades, cheated on his eastern European mail order bride 3rd Wife (That the public has seen nude) with some no-name pronstar?

 

[andreboba]

Anybody who foolishly thought that the mainstream media was genuine about taking down President Trump instead of them using his presidency as a ratings-grab, should look at this stupid AF Stormy Daniels controversy/scandal.


Do y'all actually give a fucc that Trump who has been a famous celeb for decades, cheated on his eastern European mail order bride 3rd Wife (That the public has seen nude) with some no-name pronstar?

That's not what the controversy is about.
If Trump paid Stormy Daniels out of his presidential campaign fund to sign a non-disclosure agreement, that's illegal.
A similar thing happened to Democratic front runner John Edwards in 2008.
Campaign funds have to be used for your campaign, not paying off women to shut up.

No one thinks Trump is going to be impeached for trying to hide an affair with a porn star, it's more of a cumulative thing with Trump. The guy is a consummate con man who preys on the ignorant and simple minded, and now the media has finally decided to vet him the way they should have in 2016.

Trump and his family are using the WH to make back room deals and promote Trump Inc. That's impeachable by itself, without discussing the Russia collusion angle.


If you think character matters for a POTUS, and I dare anyone to say it doesn't after watching Trump in office for almost a year and a half, the Stormy Daniels affair is just another example that Trump is too crass and messy to be living in the WH.

What would have happened to BHO if we found out half the shit we're learning about Trump??

Even Dubya couldn't have gotten away with the bullshit Trump is getting a pass on.

Trump doesn't understand there are rules you have to follow as POTUS, you can't just function the way you did when you were a NY real estate developer who was willing to make deals with the devil if it put a few more million in his bank account.

 

[The Dark King]

Well I guess I'll just have to disagree with a lot of you guys (and disagreement is fine!)

If someone were to ask me "Do you feel there is just too much empathy and tolerance in today's society?" my answer would unequivocally be no. I think we're heading in a dangerous direction, where two groups of Americans hate each other and view the other as "the enemy," with little interest in understanding or liking one another.

This doesn't mean I'm endorsing the "law and order" approach -- where, as MLK said, white moderates valued order more than justice for their black brothers. Far from it. I'm saying we need to walk and chew gum at the same time: we need to disagree with white, male conservatives, and condemn their wrongness, while simultaneously reaching out and trying to understand their point of view. Or, as MLK also said, "We must love our white brothers, no matter what they do to us. We must make them know that we love them. Jesus still cries out in words that echo across the centuries: "Love your enemies; bless them that curse you; pray for them that despitefully use you." This is what we must live by. "

This is one of the most tone deaf things I've ever read. Let me be clear I'm not attacking you but do you have any idea how insensitive a statement like this is?
Lets replace the term black people with women, would be we expect women to have exceptional compassion for their abusers and those who would hold them back from equity within the society they help built and maintain?
How would you suggest someone like us reach out to people who fundamentally believe we are lesser, people who actively construct and support our destruction?
We are literally the only demographic in the history of this country and perhaps the world who are expected to forgive and forget all atrocities done to us even when those said atrocities are still occurring. No one would dare fix their mouth to tell Jews to forgive Nazis and figure out equal ground, no one tells the Native Americans to forgive and forget, but hey black people understand why agents of your oppression feel the way they do as they hurt and abuse you or are complicit in those actions.
I've said it before and I'll say it again this is a strictly white problem to fix. The majority of white people keep voting in and supporting people who continually vote against your interests. They cut "entitlements" while giving tax breaks to "job creators" who ship and automate jobs while demonizing brown people. Black people do not vote for this kind of thing, in fact we are the demographic that ALWAYS votes for a progressive agenda that benefits EVERYONE. And I completely understand this is definitely not all white people at all but you guys are the ones who are in a position to reach those that we simply can not and will never be able to reach.

 

[Peach State Scholar]

Anybody who foolishly thought that the mainstream media was genuine about taking down President Trump instead of them using his presidency as a ratings-grab, should look at this stupid AF Stormy Daniels controversy/scandal.


Do y'all actually give a fucc that Trump who has been a famous celeb for decades, cheated on his eastern European mail order bride 3rd Wife (That the public has seen nude) with some no-name pronstar?

What the President does has always been newsworthy. There's literally an entire press corp dedicated to following him. I'm not sure how old you are but back in the 90s Bill Clinton's affairs were covered extensively by the media. Trump isn't being treated any differently than any other President in that regard.

 

[Beasty]

This is one of the most tone deaf things I've ever read. Let me be clear I'm not attacking you but do you have any idea how insensitive a statement like this is?
Lets replace the term black people with women, would be we expect women to have exceptional compassion for their abusers and those who would hold them back from equity within the society they help built and maintain?
How would you suggest someone like us reach out to people who fundamentally believe we are lesser, people who actively construct and support our destruction?
We are literally the only demographic in the history of this country and perhaps the world who are expected to forgive and forget all atrocities done to us even when those said atrocities are still occurring. No one would dare fix their mouth to tell Jews to forgive Nazis and figure out equal ground, no one tells the Native Americans to forgive and forget, but hey black people understand why agents of your oppression feel the way they do as they hurt and abuse you or are complicit in those actions.
I've said it before and I'll say it again this is a strictly white problem to fix. The majority of white people keep voting in and supporting people who continually vote against your interests. They cut "entitlements" while giving tax breaks to "job creators" who ship and automate jobs while demonizing brown people. Black people do not vote for this kind of thing, in fact we are the demographic that ALWAYS votes for a progressive agenda that benefits EVERYONE. And I completely understand this is definitely not all white people at all but you guys are the ones who are in a position to reach those that we simply can not and will never be able to reach.

Black people are the only ones expected to forgive and forget because we are the only ones that are both:
A.) Matriarchal
B.) Practice a western religion

No other group has both of those ingredients together.

Happy to say neither one of those apply to me.

 

[andreboba]

To be fair, bodhesatva never said Black people should forgive and forget why many White folk are so prejudiced and hostile towards non-Whites.
However if Black folk thought and felt the way racist Whites did, this country would be in the middle of a full blown bloody race war.

I agree with TDK, racism in America is a White People problem.

We don't have anything to do with it.

 

[Beasty]

To be fair, bodhesatva never said Black people should forgive and forget why many White folk are so prejudiced and hostile towards non-Whites.
However if Black folk thought and felt the way racist Whites did, this country would be in the middle of a full blown bloody race war.

I agree with TDK, racism in America is a White People problem.

We don't have anything to do with it.

Either way, black people are the only ones expected to " love our enemies." because no one else does. Its from the same toilet, even if its not the same shit.