Madeleine
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I don’t get into it with people who just wanna argue for arguing sake. I’m too lazy for that honestly speaking. If anyone wants to genuinely discuss ideas and facts I’m all game.
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Loki
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Very Fair question to ask, per the article below, President Obama worked very hard and did a lot more to protect POC and extend civil rights and effect real change to police brutality than most people know.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...l-rights-division_us_586eb67ae4b099cdb0fc4e24
"The Obama administration shifted resources back to policing cases, investigating departments and helping implement reform in New Orleans, Albuquerque, Cleveland, Seattle and other cities. But DOJ’s police work has gotten more attention since the unrest in Ferguson, Missouri, in August 2014 following the fatal police shooting of Michael Brown, an 18-year-old African-American."
"The Obama administration has also made big changes to the Justice Department’s sentencing policies and made wide use of clemency, which, along with other factors, have helped make him the first president since Jimmy Carter to leave office with fewer federal prisoners than when he came in. Under Trump, the self-proclaimed “law and order” candidate, those initiatives are in jeopardy."
Loki
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Ah, but there's the rub madeleine, when it comes to polarizing issues like politics, religion, ethnicity, money, ect., imo most people cannot even agree on what the "facts" are to begin the conversation.
Peach State Scholar
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Like the old saying goes, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. Don't get me wrong, it can be really fun to watch people contort logic and rationality in doing so, but it gets exhausting after awhile.
andreboba
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( The FBI are blaming it on SAMSUNG)
Quote:
- "....Of course with CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS etc...all there is is radio silence on FIFTY THOUSAND missing texts between key FBI agents.....'
- "The major news networks in the mainstream media are not covering this story at all. They are just harping about Russia and even Peter Strzok said in a text to the girlfriend that he didn't think there was "anything there" as far as the Russian investigation. It is disgusting that a government agency can think they have the power to decide who should be President and when a President they don't like is elected they set out to frame him. This needs to be investigated and all the rats need to be brought to trial..."
- "...As is now clear to all, Obama weaponized the upper levels of the FBI, the DOJ and the Cabinet to destroy his opposition, eliminate those who disagreed with him, and harass those who questioned the criminal actions of his Administration. He broke as many laws as he could to make sure that his "enemies" (all those who opposed him and his.. policies) were spied upon, destroyed and humiliated. Now is the time for Lady Justice to come forth and bring these people to trial. I think she's ready to do just that..."
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Lovers/Swamp dweller operatives
This should chill you to the bone. Russia is a farce and the truth is coming out. This is The DEEP STATE fucking every American.
Two low level FBI agents represent the 'deep state'??lol
The case against Trump and conspiring with Russia to steal a presidential election will be made based on EVIDENCE, nothing more.
If Mueller can't PROVE a case for obstruction of justice by Trump's WH, or that Trump's WH had prior knowledge of Russia's bad acts, this entire investigation will be over in a couple of months.
Obama didn't even release during the campaign that the FBI confirmed Russia had hacked the DNC and released those files through Wikileaks. If Obama was really focused on bringing down Trump, he could have tried a little bit harder.
You forget, the FBI is NOT investigating Trump.
Mueller is an independent investigator. Claiming that someone like former FBI director Comey who basically destroyed Hillary's campaign is a part of some conspiracy to bring down Trump is preposterous.
Chasing those 50,000 emails, most of which were departmental at the FBI, is another right-wing rabbit hole to distract the public.
Most of the FBI is conservative anyway and if there was an internal conspiracy to bring down Trump, they'd be leaking like a faucet.
You know what would really be fascinating?? If these two FBI agents had multiple contacts with Russian operatives over the last year.
Like just about everyone in Trump's WH and who worked on his campaign.
Trump is in trouble. Everyone knows it. You can tell the right wing is scared because of how many conspiracy theories they're trying to float out there but none of them are sticking.
Obama didn't do this to Trump. Neither did HRC, Comey or Mueller.
Trump has been laundering Russian oligarch millions for almost two decades in NYC. They owned him literally since the early 2000s.
Eric Trump let it slip in 2008 that much of their family's business assets were coming from Russian investments.
I almost don't want the Trump/Russia conspiracy to be true because of how psychologically damaging it will be to the country.
This is worse than Watergate, worse than Iran/Contra, and in many ways worse than the assassination of Lincoln.
We have a POTUS who conspired with a hostile foreign power to hack a rival political party, allowing Russia to weaponize social media in a propaganda attack to poison the minds of the electorate, and in exchange agreeing to lift economic sanctions.
Then, to cover his tracks, Trump has systematically attacked the MSM and the credibility of the FBI and CIA.
No president has ever done that. Ever. That's because Trump is dirty.
When this is all over, Trump is going to branded a traitor and he may not be able to avoid jail time by resigning.
Instead of fretting over these nobody federal agents, you really need to be worried about what kind of deals Paul Manaforte, Michael Flynn and Papadopolis cut with Mueller and what they've told him privately.
DudeNY12
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I agree 1000%!!! As much as I liked Obama... I certainly didn't agree with everything, and I'd never act like he hasn't ever made a mistake. However, with this current dude... Clearly his followers find some way of defending any and everything from him no matter how ridiculous. Some things are truly indefensible, and much of what Trump says falls into that category.
Bliss
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From the link you posted...
"..For example, in 2013, Foxconn announced it would create 500 jobs at a new high-tech factory in central Pennsylvania. The factory was never built, and the jobs never came, The Washington Post's Todd Frankel reported.
Yet the company recently announced a plan to invest $7 billion and hire up to 50,000 workers - a plan that Trump then touted..."
So, Foxconn declined to invest a mere 500 while Obama was at the helm, yet now under Trump, are investing 50,000 jobs. That's fantastic, right? Trump moves people to invest in America.
Look at uber-liberal, child-exploiting Apple. The CEO resents Trump, but he loves his cash more. So he's bringing Apple back here because of the tax cuts.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/...ate-cash.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
Of course nothing Apple does is for anyone else but themselves, but at least they're on the hook to bring the jobs back here.
Bliss
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Lol...did you see how rabid Obama defenders behaved for 8 years? He was their walk-on-water Messiah, from the voter to the Press.
How many conservatives or even centrists who criticized Obama were chased off this site. No one dare call King Obama out, or they were called coons, racists, you name it.
The Obama defenders here run deep, tight and bullyful.
Madeleine
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Really exhausting.
K
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I'm quite sure you get to see it often too.
Loki
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As I have proven to you time and time again, I have criticized as well as praised President Obama, and I am still here Bliss, so your statement is just not true. In my experience most people here will in fact engage in constructive debate if one provides reasonable and fact based evidence for their criticism or their praise, hell Flaming cannot stand President Obama (along with all politicians) and has repeatedly harshly criticized his policies and decisions, yet he is still here as well, nobody has chased him or I off or called us coons, ect. And yet Flaming and I have been able to have constructive, substantive, and illuminating debates on politics and President Obama's performance even though we often disagree.
Madeleine
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It’s true but it should be possible to engage in a civilised debate on such topics provided people don’t get personal/ take things personally, aren’t totalitarian about issues and don’t engage in the debate with the sole purpose of „winning“ (I.e. beating the other person over the head). If it becomes a personal war I’m out. There’s nothing to gain from it.
Loki
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Well said.
Bliss
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Oh stop, Loki. who do you think you're fooling here?
You have not critized Obama, you have carried his water on here for 8 years, repeatedly going after any member who called him out. Only one time you offered evidence to the contrary, however the rest has been exhalting his Presidency.
Contrarily, with President Trump, not one credit has been given to him by you. You are not impartial, you have gone after him from before day one, not unlike those who did the same towards Obama.
At least with me, as l have told you time and again, l gave Obama a political chance for two years ...loved much of what he did. amd said...until the Govt shutdown happened, then the racial pitting of Americans against each other, his increasing personal, political and policy preference for illegals over Americans, his weaponizing the IRS against his opponents, and upon discovering his spting and covert hacking of emails targeting journalists who criticized him. That's when l turned off him. I don't do corrupt leaders.
"..constructive, substantive, and illuminating debates.."
Another Laughable comment. Please spare me your romanticized pipe 'n slipper version of "debates" with Flaming. He doesn't debate on here, he shoots from the hip and tells you what he thinks in the crudest of terms, and that's all folks.
Bliss
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What are you talking about?
You are in a thread on President Trump which from post 1 has consisted of tearing him down in the crudest of terms. There has been absolutely no room given for civilized debate for anyone who wants to point out good things he's doing for America - if you do, you're called a "racist and "German neo Nazi', and if black, a "lost coon traitor".
What you will find here is the constant insulting of our President, in particular, the color of his skin, the accusations of fucking his daughter, attacking his penis size, his mental state, his family, his wife has been called an escort, a gold digger every crude name you can think of, yet you dare plead civility from anyone other than Trump-haters? FOH!
Madeleine
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How do you understand from my above statement that I am encouraging people to attack Trump‘s Penis size and the likes?
DudeNY12
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Yeah. I defended Obama plenty and I still do. The difference is... Look at the BS that was always being spewed about Obama (with plenty from the current POTUS). Everything from the birther stuff, to secretly being Muslim/hating America and so on. The man couldn't even attend a basketball game or take his wife on date night (away from the WH) without some BS criticism. How about when he allegedly hated America because he didn't have a flag on his lapel? Supposedly he accomplished nothing of significance in 8 years. I didn't even get to the congress who flat out refused to work with him, and stated their intention (including the deliberate obstruction). All that and Obama still managed to always be respectful to others.
Conversely... Your boy has to go after any and everyone who dares to disagree and/or refuse to kiss his ass and his followers. Does so in the most immature, racist, sexist, hate-filled (and so on) ways possible, and he still gets defended by some of you. It's funny you say bully, and you're defending the biggest bully to ever.
Bliss
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First, it's not just "two low level agents", AB. An FBI informant has agreed to testify there were more agents involved.
Futhermore, she was on Mueller's team.investigating "Russian collusion", and he was on the team investigating Hillary's server-gate. He was a die-hard Hillary suporter. So drop the "they have no power" facade.
You're still deflecting to the "Russia!" "Treason!" "impeachment!' war cry, huh. How long have you been spouting it here in every single Trump post - over a year now? Every time you cry, "This is it, Trump is finished!, it turns out to be a nothingburger, a DNC made-up media lie to keep you tied to the Party and glued 24/7 to the party's news-stations.
Sorry AB, the "Russia collusion" is BS, a fake diversionary tactic implemented by Hillary and Obama's FBI operatives to usurp a legitimate win by Trump. I told you l'd give you a bottle of wine if l was wrong for every time you said Trump is finished, however it's getting pretty dusty at this point, lol.