Sexual Harassment/Assault Scandals

andreboba said:
How do you know TMZ didn't get that info on their own?
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It wasn't TMZ. It was the Daily Mail.
And the DM are often PAID to run stories, giving them 'credit' in exchange.

Also don't forget Lisa Bloom's emails on digging up dirt to discredit his victims, and Weinstein sending in fake sympathy reporters in order to get more info from the victims.
 
Bliss said:
You've stated this in several posts. She never said he sexually assaulted her.
Don't take a third- party's header accusation (The link above), or SM comments by others, as her own.
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I don't think someone has to say explicitly that someone sexually assaulted or raped them in order to file a defamation lawsuit. By letting her encounter with Aziz be characterized the way it was by Babe as though she suffered some form of sexual assault, the damage has already been done.
Thousands of people after reading that Babe article believe Aziz is guilty of sexual assault.

She knew exactly what she was doing by allowing Babe to portray her as a victim of sexual assault.
It's telling that she had to go through several tiers of print and online media to find someone willing to tell her story.

If she claimed Aziz had drugged and had sex with her against her will, every news outlet in the country would have covered her story.

If I were him, I'd release her name to the public. Why does she deserve the benefit of anonymity??
I thought the point of the #metoo movement was to bring victims out of the shadows and to expose their attackers.
IMO this girl is bitter and doing a drive-by on the dude because he didn't like her the way she wanted him to like her.

She wants the public outrage and spotlight put on Aziz, damn the consequences, while she hides from any possible direct public scrutiny.
 
Bliss said:
Right.
But "game" or not, that was her experience.
Now if she went to the cops, l would agree, if she claimed assault, l would agree, but to want to sue her because you think she's gaming, is ridic.
She called him out because he's a phony. He has said one thing publicly, made heaps of cash off it, but behaves the exact opposite in private. Who's really gaming here.
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I don't know enough about him to speak about how he is privately from this one encounter, so far he has no other women coming out from his past to agree with her of how he acts in private. And his response in their private exchange sounds like what he said it was. Misreading a sexual hook up, they were already engaged sexually when he went down on her before things got awkard. Someone said online he's probably awkward sexually like that because he is a nerd. lol.
 
Bliss said:
It wasn't TMZ. It was the Daily Mail.
And the DM are often PAID to run stories, giving them 'credit' in exchange.

Also don't forget Lisa Bloom's emails on digging up dirt to discredit his victims, and Weinstein sending in fake sympathy reporters in order to get more info from the victims.
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No one has a right to walk up to someone and slap them in the face, no matter how much you disagree with them. And if you heard how the whole exchange went down,the guy was sitting with Weinstein and his substance abuse coach, schmoozing and sucking up to him. This was a set up for publicity. According to TMZ, Salamone told his friend to 'record this' as he walked up to Weinstein leaving the restaurant.

You slap some people in the face, you catch a beat down or you might get popped.
Others will put your entire biography out in the street.

As for Aziz standing up for the #metoo movement by wearing a Time's Up pin, how did he make a 'ton' of money by being against sexual harassment and sexual assault??
Aziz might be a phony, but not because of this incident.
 
andreboba said:
I don't think someone has to say explicitly that someone sexually assaulted or raped them in order to file a defamation lawsuit. By letting her encounter with Aziz be characterized the way it was by Babe as though she suffered some form of sexual assault, the damage has already been done.
Thousands of people after reading that Babe article believe Aziz is guilty of sexual assault.

She knew exactly what she was doing by allowing Babe to portray her as a victim of sexual assault.
It's telling that she had to go through several tiers of print and online media to find someone willing to tell her story.

If she claimed Aziz had drugged and had sex with her against her will, every news outlet in the country would have covered her story.

If I were him, I'd release her name to the public. Why does she deserve the benefit of anonymity??
I thought the point of the #metoo movement was to bring victims out of the shadows and to expose their attackers.
IMO this girl is bitter and doing a drive-by on the dude because he didn't like her the way she wanted him to like her.

She wants the public outrage and spotlight put on Aziz, damn the consequences, while she hides from any possible direct public scrutiny.
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That is where I was getting at. I'm probably wrong and he can't do that(haven't looked into it.), but shit that is damaging with people already quick to judge folks when they hear it.
 
andreboba said:
I don't think someone has to say explicitly that someone sexually assaulted or raped them in order to file a defamation lawsuit. By letting her encounter with Aziz be characterized the way it was by Babe as though she suffered some form of sexual assault, the damage has already been done.
Thousands of people after reading that Babe article believe Aziz is guilty of sexual assault.

She knew exactly what she was doing by allowing Babe to portray her as a victim of sexual assault.
It's telling that she had to go through several tiers of print and online media to find someone willing to tell her story.

If she claimed Aziz had drugged and had sex with her against her will, every news outlet in the country would have covered her story.

If I were him, I'd release her name to the public. Why does she deserve the benefit of anonymity??
I thought the point of the #metoo movement was to bring victims out of the shadows and to expose their attackers.
IMO this girl is bitter and doing a drive-by on the dude because he didn't like her the way she wanted him to like her.

She wants the public outrage and spotlight put on Aziz, damn the consequences, while she hides from any possible direct public scrutiny.
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Now I agree 100% that she should not be annonymous.

Darkcurry, Thump, you and I read the same article and we all came to the conclusion that she was not sexually assaulted. So I don't know where you're saying that thousands determined that she was sexually assaulted based off of a few tweets on the story. After reading her account of the event, it was clear that he was an absolute dick, whose "sex life" was likely influenced by pornos, and hers was more likely by "FRIENDS". (the show, and maybe her realife ones whom she seemed to need to lean on for sympathetic comfort.)

As for a defamation suit, l think the burden of proof is higher for a public figure. Besides, it would be Babe.net he'd have to sue, since they interjected their own opinion of her account.

Also, I believe you need solid accusations, (like Melania successfully suing the DM for publishing another's account that she was an escort.) l don't think you can justify a suit based on implications, or people's percieved portrayals. Unless she or Babe.net actually told me he sexually assaulted her, it never crossed my mind. But l'm not a lawyer so its just my opinion.
 
andreboba said:
No one has a right to walk up to someone and slap them in the face, no matter how much you disagree with them. And if you heard how the whole exchange went down,the guy was sitting with Weinstein and his substance abuse coach, schmoozing and sucking up to him. This was a set up for publicity. According to TMZ, Salamone told his friend to 'record this' as he walked up to Weinstein leaving the restaurant.

You slap some people in the face, you catch a beat down or you might get popped.
Others will put your entire biography out in the street.

As for Aziz standing up for the #metoo movement by wearing a Time's Up pin, how did he make a 'ton' of money by being against sexual harassment and sexual assault??
Aziz might be a phony, but not because of this incident.
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I'm not saying he had a right to slap him, and it's obvious in the recording that he's friend is taping it because he says it.
The point is, if you retaliate to Weinstein, he will dig the dirt up on you. And I just think that a light slap probably doesn't justify his revenge. Harvey hurt a lot of women, physically emotionally spiritually and financially -- spare me if l don't feel sorry that the fucker gets a light slap in the face from someone.

Aziz..made money off of his routine on it. Let me look in my history for what l read earlier on him...
 
andreboba said:
...As for Aziz standing up for the #metoo movement by wearing a Time's Up pin, how did he make a 'ton' of money by being against sexual harassment and sexual assault??
Aziz might be a phony, but not because of this incident.
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His published book on modern romance and dating..

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And..

He has self-identified as a feminist, saying his girlfriend has (had) helped influence him.
Ansari also incorporated an episode about feminism titled "Ladies and Gentlemen" in his "Master of None" show. In an interview in 2015, he spoke about the episode's meaningfulness to him saying "I thought it was interesting that this is happening, yet so many people are unaware of it. And the problem is people aren't talking about it.

What I've learned, as a guy, is to just ask women questions and listen to what they have to say.
Go to your group of female friends and ask them about times they've experienced sexism at their job, and you'll get blown away by the things they tell you."
 
Bliss said:
His published book on modern romance and dating..

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And..

He has self-identified as a feminist, saying his girlfriend has helped influence him.
Ansari also incorporated an episode about feminism titled "Ladies and Gentlemen" in his "Master of None" show. In an interview in 2015, he spoke about the episode's meaningfulness to him saying "I thought it was interesting that this is happening, yet so many people are unaware of it. And the problem is people aren't talking about it.

What I've learned, as a guy, is to just ask women questions and listen to what they have to say.
Go to your group of female friends and ask them about times they've experienced sexism at their job, and you'll get blown away by the things they tell you."
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Male feminists have it the worse when they get accused of stuff like this because they quickly learn that all the "nice guy" points they thought they have earned with women aren't transferable, and they find out that all of their male feminist friends have abandoned them (for fear of being dragged down with him)

Maybe Aziz will get spared the lonely road because at least he has The New York Times and CNN caping for him.
 
Bliss said:
His published book on modern romance and dating..

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And..

He has self-identified as a feminist, saying his girlfriend has (had) helped influence him.
Ansari also incorporated an episode about feminism titled "Ladies and Gentlemen" in his "Master of None" show. In an interview in 2015, he spoke about the episode's meaningfulness to him saying "I thought it was interesting that this is happening, yet so many people are unaware of it. And the problem is people aren't talking about it.

What I've learned, as a guy, is to just ask women questions and listen to what they have to say.
Go to your group of female friends and ask them about times they've experienced sexism at their job, and you'll get blown away by the things they tell you."
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Well, to be fair, he wasn't really dating this Grace girl. I think you can have a fucked up date with someone and still be true to your beliefs.
It's hard to come down on Aziz because this girl said she felt uncomfortable and pressured to do things she didn't want to do, yet continued to engage in sexual activity instead of getting dressed and leaving his apartment.
I mean, after the worst part of the date was over, towards the end she still gave him a blowjob.

Doesn't mean he's a phony when it comes to sexual harassment in the workplace.
 
Thump said:
Male feminists have it the worse when they get accused of stuff like this because they quickly learn that all the "nice guy" points they thought they have earned with women aren't transferable, and they find out that all of their male feminist friends have abandoned them (for fear of being dragged down with him)

Maybe Aziz will get spared the lonely road because at least he has The New York Times and CNN caping for him.
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Well put.
I also think "race" issues toes a similar line. Or worse, BM who are down for the cause, but decide to date WW, lol. Non-transferable. Nope.
 
andreboba said:
Well, to be fair, he wasn't really dating this Grace girl. I think you can have a fucked up date with someone and still be true to your beliefs.
It's hard to come down on Aziz because this girl said she felt uncomfortable and pressured to do things she didn't want to do, yet continued to engage in sexual activity instead of getting dressed and leaving his apartment.
I mean, after the worst part of the date was over, towards the end she still gave him a blowjob.

Doesn't mean he's a phony when it comes to sexual harassment in the workplace.
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I'm sorry A B, but be so vocal against sexual harassment in the workplace and then continually sexually harass your date is hypocritical. I'm pretty sure he played up his perceived sweet guy Persona all week, right up to the point of when that bill came and then the real Aziz emerged.

By that point the girl was probably already feeling(believing) he was that nice guy who wooed her all week and I think he caught her off-guard, and yes he probably did manipulate her to a point. He was 10 years older than her, he had his Star power, and was famously known to be sympathetic to women - it seemed like she kept trying to 'restart' the date connection with him.

You would think that he would be able to make the connection of how men on the job harass women even when they're giving them the signal not to... so for him to not even be aware of that in his private life he's an idiot and he deserves to be outed for that.
 
Hi @andreboba ....
you will be very happy.
AND...this one is now actually going to the police almost two years because of his alleged Azizish antic..
You know, right after and because Seal called out Oprah. (at least she's not annonymous).

Seal denies allegations he groped neighbor as LA police begin investigation
  • Singer Seal has been accused of groping and trying to kiss his neighbor
  • Actress Tracey Birdsall claims Seal attacker her in his LA home in 2016
  • The 54-year-old singer is now being investigated for sexual battery
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5274885/Seal-investigated-sexual-battery-accusations.html

"...Ms Birdsall initially made the allegations in a now-removed Facebook post after Seal criticized Oprah Winfrey following her Golden Globes speech, claiming she knew about the rumors surrounding Harvey Weinstein but did nothing.

The singer posted an Instagram meme showing two images or Oprah with Harvey Weinstein, using the hashtag #SanctimoniousHollywood.

He was soon taken to task by model Chrissy Teigen, who posted a cryptic comment on his Instagram post.

The model and cookbook author wrote: 'Hmm. Let’s just say we’ve all heard things about each other, haven’t we?'

Sexual battery is an unwanted form of contact with an intimate part of the body for a that is made for sexual purposes.

A representative for Seal told TMZ that he vehemently denies the 'false' allegation..."
 
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Bliss said:
Hi @andreboba ....
you will be very happy.
AND...this one is now actually going to the police almost two years because of his alleged Azizish antic..
You know, right after and because Seal called out Oprah. (at least she's not annonymous).

Seal denies allegations he groped neighbor as LA police begin investigation
  • Singer Seal has been accused of groping and trying to kiss his neighbor
  • Actress Tracey Birdsall claims Seal attacker her in his LA home in 2016
  • The 54-year-old singer is now being investigated for sexual battery
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5274885/Seal-investigated-sexual-battery-accusations.html

"...Ms Birdsall initially made the allegations in a now-removed Facebook post after Seal criticized Oprah Winfrey following her Golden Globes speech, claiming she knew about the rumors surrounding Harvey Weinstein but did nothing.

The singer posted an Instagram meme showing two images or Oprah with Harvey Weinstein, using the hashtag #SanctimoniousHollywood.

He was soon taken to task by model Chrissy Teigen, who posted a cryptic comment on his Instagram post.

The model and cookbook author wrote: 'Hmm. Let’s just say we’ve all heard things about each other, haven’t we?'

Sexual battery is an unwanted form of contact with an intimate part of the body for a that is made for sexual purposes.

A representative for Seal told TMZ that he vehemently denies the 'false' allegation..."
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"...Ms Birdsall initially made the allegations in a now-removed Facebook post after Seal criticized Oprah Winfrey following her Golden Globes speech, claiming she knew about the rumors surrounding Harvey Weinstein but did nothing."

That says it all for me right there. I would be shocked if it is true. But I wouldn't be surprised if she did it because of what he said about Oprah. It's easy to accuse someone of these things now, their not going to get in trouble even if it is found out they lied. Some of the #Metoo women are still going by the notion of just believe women because they said it. A woman is still a human being and human beings are capable of lying. Did she file a police report? If so then It would be telling if they find no wrong doing, but she goes unpunished for making false claims.

But I like what Seal said here: He went on to state that none of the women who had come forward as victims of Weinstein had received any real justice... "He said that 'losing your job' for raping, sexually abusing or sexually harassing a woman 'is not punishment.'
 
People need to understand that outside of rape and extreme forms of sexual battery or sexual assault, the criminal justice system doesn't doesn't count sexual harassment, sexual 'abuse'(way too vague) and sexual coercion as actual crimes.

For example, if you grabbed a woman's breast on the bus, that's sexual battery. But legally in most jurisdictions it's a misdemeanor and if you have no priors it's unlikely you see the inside of a jail.

Only felony sexual assault is considered a serious crime by most law enforcement, and only those women in the #metoo movement who claim they were raped have any real legal recourse.

People want these men to get serious jail time for workplace sexual harassment, or for groping women, and the law doesn't work that way.

Seal wants to see these men receive greater punishment legally. How does that happen??
Even what he's accused of, misdemeanor sexual battery,(kissing a woman against her will and grabbing her breast), would likely never result in jail time.
 
andreboba said:
People need to understand that outside of rape and extreme forms of sexual battery or sexual assault, the criminal justice system doesn't doesn't count sexual harassment, sexual 'abuse'(way too vague) and sexual coercion as actual crimes.

For example, if you grabbed a woman's breast on the bus, that's sexual battery. But legally in most jurisdictions it's a misdemeanor and if you have no priors it's unlikely you see the inside of a jail.

Only felony sexual assault is considered a serious crime by most law enforcement, and only those women in the #metoo movement who claim they were raped have any real legal recourse.

People want these men to get serious jail time for workplace sexual harassment, or for groping women, and the law doesn't work that way.

Seal wants to see these men receive greater punishment legally. How does that happen??
Even what he's accused of, misdemeanor sexual battery,(kissing a woman against her will and grabbing her breast), would likely never result in jail time.
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I think he was stating within punishment as to what you described for each offense in according. He didn't go into detail so I'm just guessing as well. But even though getting fired and ousted is hard, he is right that some of them in essence didn't receive anything justifiable unless they are satisfied with him being fired. Just another example of how things are getting messy and things aren't getting handled correctly, because some of these women got a nervous finger on the trigger.
 
The Dark King said:
I'm with you on this. I dont understand the new threshold being consent. By that logic literally every woman I've been with has raped me because not one single time in my life has anyone asked me for consent. Not one time has anyone asked if I was ok with what was going on. At least when the standard was no means no the lines and rules were clear. If someone said no or stop that's it you stop. You pull up your pants go home don't look back. Its too risky for men to even engage in conversation anymore.
Y'all thinking I'm joking when I say this but synthetic realistic sex robots will save men from women. STIs will plummet unwanted pregnancies will all but vanish and crime will drop as a result. You will see far more happier and content men since we no longer have to compete for sex and companionship. It'll probably lead to people being more isolated and keeping to themselves but at least women will be safe. Next to no interaction with men outside of work. Shit the more I think of this the more I think this could save humanity.
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