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The Dark King Well-Known Member
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Exactly! They kill with the Trump is a genius crap. I'd give him big props if he actually built his wealth. They're forgetting that he had quite an interitance. Also... I'm old enough to remember "The Trump Shuttle". They actually think 45 has their best interests in mind. SMH!
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Had lunch with one of the firm's lawyers the other day. He grew up in Kansas and moved to NY to get his career going. He basically told me for his supporters (mainly white men) this is pretty much a fuck you to the establishment. They'd rather see it all burn down before being marginalized and made into minorities.
Deep down they know that the way minorities are treated is totally fucked up and they are fighting like hell to make sure they won't get that kind of treatment.
Ironically if you just treated everyone the way you want to be treated this wouldn't be a problem

The Dark King, Feb 19, 2017

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The Dark King said: ↑

Had lunch with one of the firm's lawyers the other day. He grew up in Kansas and moved to NY to get his career going. He basically told me for his supporters (mainly white men) this is pretty much a fuck you to the establishment. They'd rather see it all burn down before being marginalized and made into minorities.
Deep down they know that the way minorities are treated is totally fucked up and they are fighting like hell to make sure they won't get that kind of treatment.
Ironically if you just treated everyone the way you want to be treated this wouldn't be a problem
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This is the shit the media won't talk about and the real reason HRC lost PA/WI/OH/MI.

Collective White insecurity about losing status in AMerica. That's a hard message to campaign against, when White voters are more afraid of a changing demographic in America than electing the best candidate.

White people as a group need to get a grip.

Even in countries where WHite people are a minority, they still have high status White ex-pats living in the ME have extremely high status and preference professionally.
Maybe if they keep voting for the party that keeps them in low paying jobs with very little economic opportunity, maybe the message will get through they can't keep voting them into power.

andreboba, Feb 19, 2017

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andreboba said: ↑

This is the shit the media won't talk about and the real reason HRC lost PA/WI/OH/MI.

Collective White insecurity about losing status in AMerica. That's a hard message to campaign against, when White voters are more afraid of a changing demographic in America than electing the best candidate.

White people as a group need to get a grip.

Even in countries where WHite people are a minority, they still have high status White ex-pats living in the ME have extremely high status and preference professionally.
Maybe if they keep voting for the party that keeps them in low paying jobs with very little economic opportunity, maybe the message will get through they can't keep voting them into power.
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In majority black countries the richest people are white. They'll be fine, besides what leader is gonna come in start white marginalization especially with a white Congress. Their concerns have always seemed manufactured to me. This obsession with Muslims and Mexicans is plain weird and not remotely based on facts

The Dark King, Feb 19, 2017

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Beasty Well-Known Member
andreboba said: ↑

This is the shit the media won't talk about and the real reason HRC lost PA/WI/OH/MI.

Collective White insecurity about losing status in AMerica. That's a hard message to campaign against, when White voters are more afraid of a changing demographic in America than electing the best candidate.

White people as a group need to get a grip.

Even in countries where WHite people are a minority, they still have high status White ex-pats living in the ME have extremely high status and preference professionally.
Maybe if they keep voting for the party that keeps them in low paying jobs with very little economic opportunity, maybe the message will get through they can't keep voting them into power.
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I wonder how they feel about supposedly "taking their country back" when all they've really done was exposed it to Putin. If our own spies can't trust the white house then you know our allied countries sure as hell don't feel comfortable sharing intel with us. Any advantage Putin gets is a direct threat to them due to their location. So this is likely to draw a wedge between us and Western Europe. Exactly what Putin wants......to weaken NATO. He is much better at this chess game than trump.

All these stupid hicks can think about is manufacturing jobs and anti minority bigotry, when none of that shit will matter if we lose this very serious game to Putin.

Impeach the entire trump administration if possible. We can't afford to lose against the Kremlin. The idiots that support trump don't have a clue how the world works.

Beasty, Feb 19, 2017

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I wonder how they feel about supposedly "taking their country back" when all they've really done was exposed it to Putin. If our own spies can't trust the white house then you know our allied countries sure as hell don't feel comfortable sharing intel with us. Any advantage Putin gets is a direct threat to them due to their location. So this is likely to draw a wedge between us and Western Europe. Exactly what Putin wants......to weaken NATO. He is much better at this chess game than trump.

All these stupid hicks can think about is manufacturing jobs and anti minority bigotry, when none of that shit will matter if we lose this very serious game to Putin.

Impeach the entire trump administration if possible. We can't afford to lose against the Kremlin. The idiots that support trump don't have a clue how the world works.
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But they're so white so everything is gonna be alright lol

The Dark King, Feb 19, 2017

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Beasty Well-Known Member
The Dark King said: ↑

But they're so white so everything is gonna be alright lol
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Driving a wedge between us and western Europe is also a victory for the militant groups we are fighting in the middle East. How anyone can't see that is beyond me.

Beasty, Feb 19, 2017

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Driving a wedge between us and western Europe is also a victory for the militant groups we are fighting in the middle East. How anyone can't see that is beyond me.
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From their pov those people were going to be enemies for life anyway

The Dark King, Feb 19, 2017

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Beasty Well-Known Member

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From their pov those people were going to be enemies for life anyway
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Perhaps they don't understand that there must be an endgame. Fighting isn't a sport, we are supposed to be trying to win so we can stop. Only morons fight just to keep fighting.

Beasty, Feb 20, 2017

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First Bowling Green and now Sweden. I'm so glad the Trump administration is letting us know about all these terror attacks, that otherwise would have gone unreported.

Thump, Feb 20, 2017

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First Bowling Green and now Sweden. I'm so glad the Trump administration is letting us know about all these terror attacks, that otherwise would have gone unreported.
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What a terriflying world we live in. It makes you wonder just who is (not) going to be attacked next!

Since1980, Feb 20, 2017

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ColiBreh1 Well-Known Member

I was just watching U.K. rapper Akala's interview with DJ Vlad from late summer of last year. When they discuss Brexit at the 36:37 mark, the demographics for who voted for & against Brexit sound eerily similar to the demographics who who voted for & against Trump:

U.K. artist Akala stopped by the Vlad Couch to discuss a plethora of topics surrounding the history of the impact of slavery throughout the world, Black culture, hip hop's influence across the world, and what it means to be mixed-race in today's society.

Akala starts the conversation discussing the difference between racism in America versus the United Kingdom. Then delves into police brutality and the gun laws in Britain. Then the rapper gives a brief history lesson on Britain's involvement in the slave trade, and how they've maintained a very "white" history. Akala explained there is nowhere in the U.K where there are only Black people. "You know if you go to the south side of the Chicago, or you go to certain parts of the Bronx, I've visited family up there, and literally everyone [was Black.]"

In breaking down the presence of hip-hop in the UK, Akala talks about his Black Shakespeare theory, and how he believes that centuries from now, someone like Nas or Lauryn Hill will be the Shakespeare of their time. He also explains why he feels Damian Marley out-rapped Nas on 'Distant Relatives,' after explaining why as a Black man he chooses not to use the N-word anymore.

Listen to the educational and entertaining interview above.
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ColiBreh1, Feb 20, 2017

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DudeNY12 Well-Known Member

The Dark King said: ↑

Had lunch with one of the firm's lawyers the other day. He grew up in Kansas and moved to NY to get his career going. He basically told me for his supporters (mainly white men) this is pretty much a fuck you to the establishment. They'd rather see it all burn down before being marginalized and made into minorities.
Deep down they know that the way minorities are treated is totally fucked up and they are fighting like hell to make sure they won't get that kind of treatment.
Ironically if you just treated everyone the way you want to be treated this wouldn't be a problem
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Yes, this totally makes sense. We're always hearing the stuff about wanting things the way they used to be, and even a 12 year old can tell us how things used to be. Certainly not to minorities (including women) benefit. In fact... much to their detriment. Part of the reason 45 (and his supporters) want everyone to simply pipe down, shut up, and accept what's happening. Actually they want us to embrace it, but who could possibly be that stupid?

In a recent discussion I was saying it's really about basic right and wrong.

So, yes, I totally agree. They're pissed, and if it can't be their world... Then fuck it, trash it whatever, but anything other than letting true progress take place.

DudeNY12, Feb 21, 2017

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ColiBreh1 Well-Known Member

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/834377364947816448

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/834244577364213760

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/21/politics/john-lewis-endorses-keith-ellison-video/

https://twitter.com/BilldeBlasio/status/834195949450846208

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...f71396-f852-11e6-bf01-d47f8cf9b643_story.html

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/834503060470763520

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/320553-ellison-holds-edge-in-dnc-race

As Democrats head to Atlanta this weekend to vote on their party’s next chair, the race to lead the Democratic National Committee chair is coming down to its two leading candidates.

Rep. Keith Ellison (Minn.) has the edge over former Labor secretary Tom Perez in The Hill’s new survey of DNC members. But while both men claim they are close to securing commitments from the majority of the 447 voting members, neither candidate is assured victory.

The Hill has identified the stances of 240 DNC members, either through their private responses to a survey circulated over the past week or from public endorsements.
Out of those who responded, Ellison leads with 105 supporters to Perez’s 57. The remaining major candidates have less than a dozen supporters each, while more than 50 DNC members remain undecided.

It’s possible that a mass movement by undecided voters or a broad change-of-heart could push either candidate to the 224-vote threshold for a first-ballot victory, but it appears likely the race will head to multiple rounds.

The vote will take as many ballots as needed for a candidate to cobble together a majority. After the second round of balloting, the candidate with the lowest vote total will be removed from subsequent ballots until one candidate emerges with a majority.

“Whoever is going to win is likely going to win on multiple ballots,” said Mo Elleithee, a former DNC spokesman who now heads Georgetown University’s Institute of Politics and Public Service.

“All of the public posturing, the big endorsements—none of that matters. It all comes down to the 447 voting members, and they want to know who is going to be able to rebuild the infrastructure of the DNC. Whoever can best walk into this weekend answering that question...walks in with an advantage.”

Ellison, the progressive Minnesota congressman, emerged as the early leader with the backing of Sen. Bernie Sanders’s coalition as well as an impressive slate of elected official endorsements from across the party. Ellison’s backers include Sanders, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warrenand Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.

But Perez, the former Barack Obama administration Labor secretary who jumped in a month after Ellison, has cobbled together an impressive list of his own. His endorsers include former Vice President Joe Biden and former Attorney General Eric Holder.

Between them, Ellison and Perez have far and away the most support. Ellison leads Perez as far as public support from DNC members, while each campaign claims that their private whip lists promise even more votes.

Perez emailed DNC members last week to claim that 180 DNC members had backed him, while Ellison’s camp responded that they “are on track to win."

None of the candidates have released their full whip list, a move that keeps pressure off their supporters.

"We are confident in the support Tom has received and are working hard every day to have one on one conversations with state parties and DNC members," Perez spokesperson Xochitl Hinojosa said.

"Many of our supporters have requested that we not release their names publicly due to fear of unwanted calls and other harassment. We believe these members deserve our respect."

Many Democrats sing the praises of both men. Perez is a son of immigrants who went on to play a role in many of the Obama administration’s top domestic priorities. Ellison, meanwhile, is a progressive leader in the House and first Muslim elected to Congress who became one of Sanders’s top surrogates on the campaign trail.

Both candidates also lead The Hill’s poll of second-choice preferences, suggesting that a lack of enmity between the two DNC factions.

Still, the frontrunners’ political differences have hardened some Democrats and liberal groups outside of the official DNC structure, frustrating the party’s attempt to move on from the fissure of the 2016 primary even as both frontrunners try to tamp down the idea of a rift.

Some Ellison allies have railed against Perez as a symbol of the establishment’s hold over the party. After Biden endorsed Perez, Sanders put out an unsolicited statement panning Perez and Biden as part of the “failed status quo.”

Other Perez supporters have expressed concern about handing the party over to the Sanders wing of the party, arguing that Ellison would move the party too far to the left.

“They’ve done a good job, to their credit, pretending the proxy war doesn’t exist and they’ve been respectful of one another,” one former Hillary Clinton presidential staffer told The Hill. “But let’s call it what it is.”

“It’s not hard to see if Perez wins the race, having a whole portion of the party that feels like, ‘Here the Washington insiders go again, appointing an Obama and Hillary guy.’”

So while Perez or Ellison are the frontrunners, a small but increasing number of Democrats suspect that a consensus alternative candidate could emerge to sidestep the factionalism.

“Watch the middle,” said Democratic strategist Steve McMahon, who worked on Howard Dean’s political campaigns before Dean took over the DNC in 2005.

“What you have are two strong, well-established candidates, each of whom represent factions of the Democratic Party, and in this case they are factions that aren’t at war but don’t see eye to eye. In those cases, you often see candidates who can unite the middle.”

Another Democrat added that the more entrenched Perez and Ellison supporters become, the more likely that they would rather jump behind a compromise candidate instead of crossing into their rival candidate’s camp.

Among the lagging candidates who have billed themselves as the consensus pick— South Carolina Democratic Party Chairman Jaime Harrison, South Bend, Ind. Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Idaho Democratic Party Executive Director Sally Boynton Brown— Buttigieg has earned recent buzz from Democrats who spoke with The Hill.

The openly gay Buttigieg has a sterling resume. He’s a Harvard graduate, a Rhodes scholar, a Navy Reserve lieutenant and a Democratic mayor in a red state at just 35-years old. And he’s won support from a handful of former DNC chairs over the past few weeks, as well as praise from former DNC chair Howard Dean.

“He checks a lot of boxes, but it’s not just that. He understands what has gone awry over the past 10 years and...he understands what it takes to get stuff done in the states. He’s lived all the things he supports,” the former Clinton staffer said.

“But it would take a total standoff between Ellison and Perez.”

Harrison, a former top aide to then House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (S.C.), is also expressing confidence that he’ll be able to rely on his congressional whip experience and work leading the South Carolina Democratic Party to score an upset. And Boynton Brown is relying on a similar red-state success pitch from her time in Idaho to boost her outside shot.

Former Fox News commentator Jehmu Greene is also running, as are a few other lesser-known candidates. But none of them have garnered any significant support among voting members.

After the balloting Saturday, the party and its new leader will have to focus on the task at hand: the rebuilding of the party and the fight against President Trump.

Regardless of how the election turns out, Democrats appear confident that the party’s dire situation will serve as a unifying force.

“I suspect what will help unite people is less which side of the discussion they fell on, and more a desire to resist Donald Trump and take back the House and the Senate,” said one DNC member who’s backed Perez but who would vote for Ellison as his second choice.

“The enemy of my enemy is my friend and I think Donald Trump will have a more dramatic effect at unifying Democrats than anyone in the DNC.”

--Lisa Hagen, Aida Chavez, Sara Sirota and Chase Masters contributed.
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ColiBreh1, Feb 22, 2017

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The last 40 seconds of this vid will literally blow your mind. THe entire vid is less than 8 minutes long, worth the watch IMO.

Man when Olbermann was on MSNBC, that channel was so friggin AWESOME!!!

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andreboba, Feb 24, 2017

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The Dark King said: ↑

No stupidity is killing this country. So many dumb people it's scary. People actually believed that a guy who went bankrupt 6 times is a "good" business man.
How many times has Mark Cuban or Steve Besos gone bankrupt? Now those are good businesses men.
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Bruh, I actually had a con-servative tell that Cuban isn't actually a business man because he's a VC. These right wingers are dumb as a bag of rocks. And, the worst part about it, it's all intentional. They have no interest in learning about anything that goes against what they already believe. Facts be damned.

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samson1701, Feb 24, 2017

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The Dark King Well-Known Member

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Bruh, I actually had a con-servative tell that Cuban isn't actually a business man because he's a VC. These right wingers and dumb as a bag of rocks. And, the worst part about it, it's all international. They have no interest in learning about anything that goes against what they already believe. Facts be damned.
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How do you converse with people like that?

The Dark King, Feb 24, 2017

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ColiBreh1 Well-Known Member

ColiBreh1 said: ↑

Not only that, I just got put onto this 2-minute Bernie Sanders clip from 1991:

For folks who were paying attention to the Primary, WTF did Black liberals jump on the Hillary Clinton bandwagon & shit on Bernie?
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Because too many dumb asses are addicted to brands and refuse to do even 5 minutes of research.
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So Keith Ellison (The Bernie Sanders/Progressives/Populist pick) lost to Tom Perez (The Obama/Clinton/Neoliberal Establishment pick) for DNC chair. Perez won over Ellison 235-200 votes.

@The Dark King I just got put on today to how the whole Bernie & his movement was only for white folks started:

Straight from the Clinton Emails leaks:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/4429

ColiBreh1, Feb 26, 2017

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Trump celebrated Perez winning DNC Chair:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/835610917568200705

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ColiBreh1, Feb 26, 2017

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Thump Well-Known Member
Really DNC, establishment insider Tom Perez?

Thump, Feb 26, 2017

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https://twitter.com/TheWayWithAnoa/status/835596295138131969

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