Man Hits Woman - Was he Right ? Or Wrong ?

Loki said:
This perfectly illustrates my point TDK, in your eyes he was justified, but in the eyes of those who matter, the football player now has a criminal record that will follow him the rest of his days, if he is good enough to play at the next level this will affect his $ and draft status, he lost a year of his scholarship, and he is now facing a civil suit. All because he did not choose to walk away from a CLEARLY non-lethal push/shove/slap from a woman approximately half his size and strength. Why put yourself in that situation with all the life altering negative consequences, when by simply remaining calm, walking away, calling the cops, pressing charges, filing your own civil suit, would bring about nothing but positive results and in this case perhaps even national praise for retaliating the INTELLIGENT way, by using the law. If he did this, he probably would have had a VERY high level of success given the prior arrest record of the woman who assaulted him. Honestly, as someone I know to be intelligent, looking at the fallout from this altercation, which path would you want to choose?
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But would you have put all this though, justification and 'intelligence' into this if it were a man?
 
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RaiderLL said:
He knocked out a smaller female for slapping him... if that's not ego, please tell me what is lol. And nothing here is taking about being attacked by a group of people, damn. Each situation warrants different levels of response, that's a no brainer.
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His ego? WTF?

I can get and I got the excessive point...But ego? No. That's violating someone
 
MilkandCoffee said:
You can call me a bitch, but when women get physical with me I always pussy out and walk off. I remember I almost got jumped by a bunch of white knights for fighting a girl who hit me first. Ever since that day I knew how biased society is towards women when it comes to things like this.
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Dang
 
MightyLighty said:
But would you have put all this though, justification and 'intelligence' into this if it were a man?
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Of course, there are an abundance of cases nationwide where both parties were men and self defense failed as a defense due to excessive or unreasonable use of retaliatory force.

Not to mention, speaking from experience, when you are a high profile athlete at a major university, you live in a fishbowl where you have extra scrutiny on your every move when you are out in public, all the more reason to remain calm and avoid any potential legal situations.
 
MightyLighty said:
Actually she slapped him THEN punched, spat at him, and used a racial epithet. Now who in their reasonable mind would be able to take that shit and NOT response? It was an appropriate response imo.

I just hope she learns a lesson from this, but given her pathetic attempt to sue the brother (with two claims already dismissed) and the fact that she lives in a 'never hit a women' society, I doubt it.
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Could you cite your source? I read his statement where Mixon himself said it was the guy who insulted him and hebinsulted him back. I might have seen a short version of it. I know the interview was taped but it's an hr long l recall.
 
Loki said:
Of course, there are an abundance of cases nationwide where both parties were men and self defense failed as a defense due to excessive or unreasonable use of retaliatory force.

Not to mention, speaking from experience, when you are a high profile athlete at a major university, you live in a fishbowl where you have extra scrutiny on your every move when you are out in public, all the more reason to remain calm and avoid any potential legal situations.
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Yep
 
Bliss said:
Could you cite your source? I read his statement where Mixon himself said it was the guy who insulted him and hebinsulted him back. I might have seen a short version of it. I know the interview was taped but it's an hr long l recall.
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What's funny is , if that's the case then why didn't the guys who was with her intervene to keep it from escalating?
 
RaiderLL said:
The fact that she wasn't alone would be all the more reason to walk away, you're mouse inclined to be hurt when outnumbered I'd imagine so get yourself out of that situation.

And he couldn't tell her tolerance for being hit so again the smart thing was to walk away. One hit can kill, so it was even more ridiculous that he went there with someone so much smaller. Had her hit her and she died, knocking her head on the ground as she fell or something, his life would be DONE. Is it really worth it?? That's why I'm saying people need to be smarter. He was wrong in his reaction, his force was excessive, and because we all know how this country reacts to the color of his skin, he's paying a grand price for his overreaction.
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This is how I know you've never been in a fight or always had someone protect you because it's not this clean rational thing where you can take each moment apart. If one person starts calling me nigger while spitting and hitting me I'm going to be hyper aware especially if she's with another person. You're under the impression that someone smaller can't injure me especially when they have back up
 
Loki said:
Of course, there are an abundance of cases nationwide where both parties were men and self defense failed as a defense due to excessive or unreasonable use of retaliatory force.

Not to mention, speaking from experience, when you are a high profile athlete at a major university, you live in a fishbowl where you have extra scrutiny on your every move when you are out in public, all the more reason to remain calm and avoid any potential legal situations.
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Please show me, if you can, I will concede here and move on.
 
The Dark King said:
This is how I know you've never been in a fight or always had someone protect you because it's not this clean rational thing where you can take each moment apart. If one person starts calling me nigger while spitting and hitting me I'm going to be hyper aware especially if she's with another person. You're under the impression that someone smaller can't injure me especially when they have back up
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The game is to get you in trouble by calling you a nigger. From what I see, she was with a bm . again why didn't her "friends" intervene
 
MightyLighty said:
Please show me, if you can, I will concede here and move on.
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Go here http://law.justia.com/cases/ and do a search for "excessive force and self defense" and you will get a bunch of prior legal cases on this issue.

A quick google search will bring up multiple cases, some involving individuals, some involving bouncers and patrons at bars (a lot of case law on this per below, so much so that certain firms specialize in this section of law), off duty police officers using excessive force, ect.


http://www.injuryclaimcoach.com/bar-fights.html (side note, the location where the fight takes place can also be liable in civil court)

http://www.aele.org/law/2007LROCT/2007-10MLJ101.pdf
 
goodlove8 said:
The game is to get you in trouble by calling you a nigger. From what I see, she was with a bm . again why didn't her "friends" intervene
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Just a guess, but her male friends looked pretty small and wimpy, and usually most sober men know that its not a good idea to confront larger stronger men when they dont have to.

Just to add some levity, Bill Burr did a funny bit about this topic, start at 4:20

 
The Dark King said:
This is how I know you've never been in a fight or always had someone protect you because it's not this clean rational thing where you can take each moment apart. If one person starts calling me nigger while spitting and hitting me I'm going to be hyper aware especially if she's with another person. You're under the impression that someone smaller can't injure me especially when they have back up
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I've never been in a serious fight. I'm a girl, and not a thug lol, so it's never been an issue. But the men in my life have been in those situations and have walked away. That's all I'm saying. It's not impossible to maintain a certain level of maturity unless you just lack all self control.
 
RaiderLL said:
I've never been in a serious fight. I'm a girl, and not a thug lol, so it's never been an issue. But the men in my life have been in those situations and have walked away. That's all I'm saying. It's not impossible to maintain a certain level of maturity unless you just lack all self control.
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Naw sometimes it's not about self control all the time.
 
RaiderLL said:
I've never been in a serious fight. I'm a girl, and not a thug lol, so it's never been an issue. But the men in my life have been in those situations and have walked away. That's all I'm saying. It's not impossible to maintain a certain level of maturity unless you just lack all self control.
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Not to mention that your husband is a big man and often taller/bigger guys have experienced people coming at them pushing the limits simply because of their size. There's a lot of idiots out there who are trying to puff up.
 
goodlove8 said:
Naw sometimes it's not about self control all the time.
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If it's not about self control, what is it about? This isn't high school we're talking about, where if someone sees you take a hit and walk away, they'll feel like they can do the same to you. We're adults. We should be able to exercise maturity and self control.
 
K said:
Not to mention that your husband is a big man and often taller/bigger guys have experienced people coming at them pushing the limits simply because of their size. There's a lot of idiots out there who are trying to puff up.
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My ex husband is a very big guy as well and both guys grew out of the fighting nonsense early in life lol. Especially as adults, they're smart enough to recognize that their size and skin color puts them at an automatic disadvantage in any sort of disturbance call, and they're not willing to lose their freedom just to get a punch in on some punk. Neither of them are big fans of police so the last thing they want is to interact with them lol.
 
RaiderLL said:
If it's not about self control, what is it about? This isn't high school we're talking about, where if someone sees you take a hit and walk away, they'll feel like they can do the same to you. We're adults. We should be able to exercise maturity and self control.
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It's a feeling of violation and taking back what they took and you can say ego and control.
 
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