Ashley Graham and her husband, Justin Ervin

andreboba said:
THey got married when she was 22(!!) and have been man and wife for 6 years.

If she was the hoeing around type I think it would have busted up her marriage already.

I'll say this, yall are really hard on a woman who has any kind of a past.
Ashley became a professional model when she was 14 and basically raised herself.

For her to meet her future husband at CHURCH and still be married to each other is an accomplishment.
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Again, is her personal life really that important to you?

IF she's hoeing around, I hope it doesn't fuck dude up too much. IF they are happy and neither of them have an issue, good for them, whatever.

I don't care about the "accomplishment" of meeting someone in church and being married for a handful of years. People stay married for years and aren't happy with each other and church is irrelevant. Is there a reason you pointed out getting married at 22 like she was ridiculously young? So while it is an accomplishment to marry someone you love, being married for 6 years is nothing to wow about.
 
qaz1 said:
I disagree with some of the characterization here. I've made my remarks about the alleged music video make out, but I liked what she had to say in that interview.

She specifically said that she had lots of sex to rebel but changed her attitude when she began to respect herself. She explicitly says that it's not for everyone, but she decided to not have sex again until she married. I got the impression that she made this decision before her husband even came along (after all, she says a former boyfriend was the reason for this change, initially).

In that case, she's not manipulating a simp; she's living a different life after a genuine change of heart. We're all free to make a change after a lifetime of mistakes.
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She's a ho.... A stank ho at that
 
darkcurry said:
If she was REALLY unhealthy those issues would've been exposed already, you can be big, thick, plus-size and be healthy, Iskra Lawrence is another one. I have people in my family that have went through their entire life being plus-size and still healthy, so I know personally.
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Disagree with you here, she is still quite young and the numerous negative health effects of being overweight/obese usually take years to show up. While it is great that your family members are in good health, the OVERWHELMING evidence is that carrying around extra weight, being overweight/obese increases your risk for multiple health issues, whether its the NHLBI, CDC, Mayo clinic, WHO, the AMA,or any number of doctor and research based studies show.

Lets be clear, being at a higher risk does not guarantee a heavier person will get any of the health problems detailed in the links below, hell some people smoke a pack a day for their whole lives and never get lung cancer, emphysema, or any of the smoking related diseases. Still, no sensible person would argue that its a good idea to take up smoking.



https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/obe/risks

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obesity/basics/complications/con-20014834

http://www.who.int/topics/obesity/en/

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/phy...lth/promoting-healthy-lifestyles/obesity.page
 
andreboba said:
I'll say this, yall are really hard on a woman who has any kind of a past.
Ashley became a professional model when she was 14 and basically raised herself.
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There is certainly room for reasonable people to disagree on this issue Andreboba. That being said, I would invite you to spend a month in my office and hear the incredible real life examples of pain, suffering, and devastation that man after man goes through due to their poor choices in women and being at the mercy of our very anti-male biased legal system, you just might change your view.
 
Loki said:
There is certainly room for reasonable people to disagree on this issue Andreboba. That being said, I would invite you to spend a month in my office and hear the incredible real life examples of pain, suffering, and devastation that man after man goes through due to their poor choices in women and being at the mercy of our very anti-male biased legal system, you just might change your view.
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None of that means this woman, or any other, can't change. Besides, there are just as many women whose lives are wrecked by their poor choice in men.
 
qaz1 said:
None of that means this woman, or any other, can't change. Besides, there are just as many women whose lives are wrecked by their poor choice in men.
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IMO real, life long changes are rare for the majority of people, but yes technically possible. Given the much higher legal risks for men if they choose poorly, being extremely vigilant and learning how to truly vet and evaluate a potential life mate is a skill where men should be VERY adept.

We are in agreement that women can face very serious, life destroying consequences from poor choices in men, that being said, on the whole there are far more social support programs for such women, and it is far more likely that the courts will be on their side.
 
GFunk said:
Again, is her personal life really that important to you?

IF she's hoeing around, I hope it doesn't fuck dude up too much. IF they are happy and neither of them have an issue, good for them, whatever.

I don't care about the "accomplishment" of meeting someone in church and being married for a handful of years. People stay married for years and aren't happy with each other and church is irrelevant. Is there a reason you pointed out getting married at 22 like she was ridiculously young? So while it is an accomplishment to marry someone you love, being married for 6 years is nothing to wow about.
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Just as important as it is to you since we'll all basically gossiping about celebs.:smt006

22 is extremely young for most women to marry in today's social environment.
6 years into any marriage nowadays IMO is an accomplishment, and the fact their marriage has survived her 20s when in my experience woman have a 'weakness' for other men is noteworthy.

Finally, as a man I'd much rather meet my future wife at church than a strip club or disco, particularly when that woman says she's doesn't want to have sex again until she's somebody's wife.;)
 
andreboba said:
Just as important as it is to you since we'll all basically gossiping about celebs.:smt006

22 is extremely young for most women to marry in today's social environment.
6 years into any marriage nowadays IMO is an accomplishment, and the fact their marriage has survived her 20s when in my experience woman have a 'weakness' for other men is noteworthy.

Finally, as a man I'd much rather meet my future wife at church than a strip club or disco, particularly when that woman says she's doesn't want to have sex again until she's somebody's wife.;)
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Well, you got me on that. It would've been more of a solid statement if I stopped after my initial post and not explain myself.

The church means nothing to me but yeah, meeting a woman there or ANYWHERE outside the damn club is a better place to meet a woman. At the same time, I've gone bar hopping/clubbing with girls who are out all night Saturday and in church the next morning. Church girls twerk, listen to trap music and get "ratchet" from time to time like non church going girls.
 
Loki said:
Disagree with you here, she is still quite young and the numerous negative health effects of being overweight/obese usually take years to show up. While it is great that your family members are in good health, the OVERWHELMING evidence is that carrying around extra weight, being overweight/obese increases your risk for multiple health issues, whether its the NHLBI, CDC, Mayo clinic, WHO, the AMA,or any number of doctor and research based studies show.

Lets be clear, being at a higher risk does not guarantee a heavier person will get any of the health problems detailed in the links below, hell some people smoke a pack a day for their whole lives and never get lung cancer, emphysema, or any of the smoking related diseases. Still, no sensible person would argue that its a good idea to take up smoking.



https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/obe/risks

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obesity/basics/complications/con-20014834

http://www.who.int/topics/obesity/en/

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/phy...lth/promoting-healthy-lifestyles/obesity.page
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Interesting, I'll have read some of those links later, thanks for the information. I'm always open to examining opposing views, especially when it comes to health, that's very important to me.
 
Loki said:
Disagree with you here, she is still quite young and the numerous negative health effects of being overweight/obese usually take years to show up. While it is great that your family members are in good health, the OVERWHELMING evidence is that carrying around extra weight, being overweight/obese increases your risk for multiple health issues, whether its the NHLBI, CDC, Mayo clinic, WHO, the AMA,or any number of doctor and research based studies show.

Lets be clear, being at a higher risk does not guarantee a heavier person will get any of the health problems detailed in the links below, hell some people smoke a pack a day for their whole lives and never get lung cancer, emphysema, or any of the smoking related diseases. Still, no sensible person would argue that its a good idea to take up smoking.



https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/obe/risks

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obesity/basics/complications/con-20014834

http://www.who.int/topics/obesity/en/

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/phy...lth/promoting-healthy-lifestyles/obesity.page
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I don't think she's obese. Chunky but funky but fat? Naw I'm with you on that one.

You can be skinny and not in shape.
 
Loki said:
There is certainly room for reasonable people to disagree on this issue Andreboba. That being said, I would invite you to spend a month in my office and hear the incredible real life examples of pain, suffering, and devastation that man after man goes through due to their poor choices in women and being at the mercy of our very anti-male biased legal system, you just might change your view.
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Loki said:
IMO real, life long changes are rare for the majority of people, but yes technically possible. Given the much higher legal risks for men if they choose poorly, being extremely vigilant and learning how to truly vet and evaluate a potential life mate is a skill where men should be VERY adept.

We are in agreement that women can face very serious, life destroying consequences from poor choices in men, that being said, on the whole there are far more social support programs for such women, and it is far more likely that the courts will be on their side.
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You might as well give the tell tale signs of a woman you shouldn't marry .

Hell I'm gonna make a thread on it.
 
GFunk said:
Well, you got me on that. It would've been more of a solid statement if I stopped after my initial post and not explain myself.

The church means nothing to me but yeah, meeting a woman there or ANYWHERE outside the damn club is a better place to meet a woman. At the same time, I've gone bar hopping/clubbing with girls who are out all night Saturday and in church the next morning. Church girls twerk, listen to trap music and get "ratchet" from time to time like non church going girls.
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The church is the last place I would go to find a wife. I met two girls in church and it became the sum of all frustrations.

I would prefer to meet a woman in a bookstore or even in a grocery store.
 
Gorath said:
The church is the last place I would go to find a wife. I met two girls in church and it became the sum of all frustrations.

I would prefer to meet a woman in a bookstore or even in a grocery store.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Finding a girl in Barnes and Noble or something.
 
GFunk said:
Exactly what I was thinking. Finding a girl in Barnes and Noble or something.
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A bookstore like Barnes and Noble is ideal because the atmosphere is relaxed. I remember a woman who thought I worked there asked me about a book on fetishes. Naturally, I took her to the human sexuality and relationships area. She thanked me and went about her search. There needs to be a Barnes and Noble in this area because it's pretty much full down here.
 
4north1side2 said:
I've been hitting up Barnes and many local libraries for the past month. I hardly see attractive women in those places. :smt092 fuck my city.
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When I used to live in North Miami, the nearest Barnes&Noble was in Aventura. It got closed down. I was so pissed.

The Barnes & Noble in Plantation, Florida is the only one that is open in South Florida. A lot of attractive college women go there.
 
I would love to hear any successful report of any of you guys actually picking up an attractive woman at a bookstore or grocery store. These locations are almost a cliché but I have yet to hear about anyone actually making it happen.
 
qaz1 said:
I would love to hear any successful report of any of you guys actually picking up an attractive woman at a bookstore or grocery store. These locations are almost a cliché but I have yet to hear about anyone actually making it happen.
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That is extremely hard to do, because a lot of times people don't be wanting to be bothered in that way at those places, especially women.
 
qaz1 said:
I would love to hear any successful report of any of you guys actually picking up an attractive woman at a bookstore or grocery store. These locations are almost a cliché but I have yet to hear about anyone actually making it happen.
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If you look good and are straight forward, you can pick up women anywhere. It's a numbers game.
 
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