You're Not "White" Unless You're 100% "White&

Discussion in 'Stereotypes and Myths' started by LA, Feb 29, 2008.

  1. LA

    LA Well-Known Member

    So if you're 1/2 black, 1/2 white you're "black" according to many.

    Even if you're 1/2 black, 1/2 white and look white as can be, you're "black". (ex. Jason Kidd)

    If you're more than 1/4 black, you're "black".

    You're not completely "white" unless both your parents are "white"(non-hispanic).

    (Common conceptions made about ethnicities and what people are seen as).
     
  2. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    J kidd could definitely pass for a white guy...

    it's just that his black side of the family, would spoil that

    :p

    white supremacy was a very palpable part of american society, for a very long time. You probably heard of the "one drop" rule already. Just incase you haven't, it pertained to the idea that if you had just one drip of african blood in you, you would instantly be labeled as "black."

    so, by that theory...

    yes..the man would be called the N word up and down the block, as soon as a white person got a wiff of his african ancestry.

    it's sad and petty, but hey...

    that's how the white supremacy idea rolled..everything else was just inferior...

    kinda like dog breeding when you think about it..

    but of course, we all know that black people are just as capable as white people and everyone else, when the playing field is leveled and not geared/designed to make us fail
     
  3. TheChosenOne

    TheChosenOne Well-Known Member

    of course now that bi-racials are doing so many great things...dominating in different areas....people want to question the "one drop rule"

    I believe that a bi-racial person should identify however they see fit...and that it is a positive to embrace all of the cultures that they belong to

    however I look at it this way as well......If Tiger Woods, Barack Obama, Halle Berry etc. were a drug dealer, a terrorist and serial killer....what race would they be?....(in the "eyes of the world"
     
  4. BoredMale

    BoredMale New Member

    The reason why the one-drop rule was invented was because White genes are recessive, and Black genes are dominant. So if a White woman gives birth to an offspring that has been made by a (full-blooded) African man, the offspring will look African, except having a little lighter skin.

    And since I don't understand why you would want to identify yourself as White when you have dark skin, I don't see any problems with the one-drop rule, even though it originally was invented because of racism.

    To create a White person, there has to be two full-blooded Whites. To create a beautiful White woman, a White man has to be a part of it. Hence the one-drop rule.
     
  5. TheChosenOne

    TheChosenOne Well-Known Member

    of course most whites think they are "100%" white...but that's not the case...and I don't mean being mixed with Native American...

    roughly 1/3 of American born whites have at least one black ancestor in the last 250 or so years.....often the black ancestor is thought to be of "Injun blood"......blacks average between 15-20%, Euro admixture....the majority of bi-racial blacks during the colonial period...married other blacks and so the rest of their offspring "became black"....but many disappeared into whiteness and "became white".
     
  6. Ronja

    Ronja New Member

    Wrong!

    The black genes are not dominant, and the white genes are not recessive. They're equally strong. That's why an mixed kid will have lighter skin. If black was dominant, mixed children would be black.

    A mixed child will also not look like a full-blooded African (except the colour) like you suggest. The hair will have a completely different texture to it, the nose will be narrower, and the lips not so full. For instance my son is born with very soft, dark brown, straight hair. Not at all the kind of hair you'd expect to find on a full-blooded African. He'll probably grow curls later, but his hair is likely to always be lighter (in colour) and have softer curls and texture than 100% African hair.

    I know several mixed kids that look much more like their white parent than their black. My son looks like both his parents. He has my shape of eyes, but his dad's eye colour (since the eye colour is actually a dominant gene). He got his dad's ears. His nose and lips looks like a mix, but it's a bit hard to tell since he's so young.
     
  7. BoredMale

    BoredMale New Member

    Sorry for this late answer but your kid will take after his father mostly when he is a grown-up. It is the same thing with that "White" twin that was recently born to an interracial couple, he looks like an "aryan" child (sorry if that sounds too racist) now, but he will be much darker later in life.

    I know of an interracial couple that had a "White" child, and the father got mad and thought she cheated on him. But later in life, the kid looks like any African-American person.
     
  8. Tony Soprano

    Tony Soprano Moderator

    I'm a light-complexioned dude so I can pass for damn near anything. :smt023
     
  9. KnCA

    KnCA New Member

    that's not necessarily true...there are those who get lighter as they get older too.

    On the other comment someone made about non-hispanic... The whole hispanic thing can be an interesting one because many who are part (or most) hispanic are considered white. Think about this too....most of us with Greek, Italian, etc heritage in the US are considered white.

    So what really is "white"?
     
  10. LA

    LA Well-Known Member

    Exactly.

    What falls under the "white" category?

    ...or even "black" for that matter?
     
  11. Be-you-tiful86

    Be-you-tiful86 Well-Known Member

    The number of "pure" black or white people decreases with lots of interracial relationships and kids coming out of those...
     
  12. LizzieSunshine

    LizzieSunshine New Member

    thats really a problem and putting labels like 'white' or 'black' is not longer possible in a century when so many people have mixed backgrounds. I think it's preety hard for them to get a feeling of belonging to a cultural group instead of having to deal with not only racist,but also identity issues.
    I think in the future 50-100 years there will be very little pure race people and that's not a bad thing.
    We are now starting to create an international race with various and rich backgrounds,with a better understanding of the beautiful thing of being HUMAN.
    Maybe it will be boring if all the people looked the same or simillar but at least there will be no discrimination or racism.
     
  13. Ronja

    Ronja New Member

    Did I really mention his skin colour? Don't think so. Of curse my son doesn't have my skin colour. (But he doesn't have his dad's skin colour either! And he would have if "black genes" were dominant!) He does, however, have a lot of my facial features. And there's no reason why he should suddenly change for instance the shape of his eyes... Believe me, my son looks a lot like me. Even strangers have told me that. And those who knew me as a child all see it instantly.

    My kid is 50% me. It's natural that he'll have some of my features.

    If you believe all mixed children look only like their black parent because "black genes are dominant" you really haven't seen many mixed children....
     
  14. tonytony

    tonytony New Member

    Imagine how funny it would be if say halle berry or barack obama, woke up one morning and decided that we should all call them white. Nuff said. I personally feel 1/4 black and above is black.
     
  15. BoredMale

    BoredMale New Member

    Well, "White" is a person that has either European or Middle-Eastern ancestry. The White race is divided into "sub-races", like the Meditteranean (those are the ones mainly called "sand n******"), Baltic, Alpine, Dinaric and Nordic. The African and Asian races are also divided into "sub-races", I think, but people don't talk to much about that.

    When many people, especially White Supremacists, talks about White persons, they often means persons that are of the "Nordic sub-race", which means being tall, having light hair, light eyes and so on. "Hitlers favorites", you could say, lol.

    Well, I have seen this mixed kid for example, and I can't ever imagine that her maternal grandmother looks at her and thinks "Ohh, she reminds me so much about my mother". That was basically my point.

    This wasn't a way of sounding racist, just a way of saying that Black genes are "dominant" to White genes.

    Well, I think that racism actually is a quite natural phenomenon. Not race hate/discrimination, but I can't say it's wrong to put people that reminds more of yourself in front of others. Like, if two children were drowning, one with fair hair and the other one is Black, and a White person had to choose which one to go after first, who do you think he or she will choose to swim after first? Who do you think a Black person would choose to swim after first? It's not something you can change with politics or "creating a new race" (because that's no way going to happen).
     
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2008
  16. Ronja

    Ronja New Member

    I didn't think you were racist before you started talking about "sub-races" etc...

    "Race" is a social term, and has no root in biology (the correct term in so case would be "sub species" not "race".) However, I'm sorry to say you don't seem to know much about biology, since you continue to claim black genes are dominant, which they are not. White and black genes are equally strong, that's why the children have medium brown skin, not white or black.

    And btw just because THAT kid don't resemble her mother, doesn't mean others won't either. I know lot's of biracial children who looks like their white parent. I also know lot's of white children who looks nothing like any of their parents. Most children though, mixed or not, will have features from both parents.
     
  17. SirNice

    SirNice New Member

    yeah this topic always trip me out...with most biracial people, with one of the being black, that person is almost uniformly described as black by white folk...I always wonder do they even know that the person is biracial, if they even care...I mean why is it I never hear a white person describe these biracial people as that "biracial"...that is unless it is a very public celebrity, tiger woods, obama, etc...
     
  18. Brittney

    Brittney Well-Known Member

    I know, I can't tell, sometimes :oops:. If someone is black or biracial. My significant other is black, white, and cherokee indian. To me, he just "looks" black. I'm just pretty dumb, I guess. But, if I can really tell they're biracial, I'll use that to describe their ethnicity. Otherwise, chances are, I just don't know.
     
  19. KnCA

    KnCA New Member

    I think white folks tend to go more on looks. If someone "looks" black then they think they are.

    But I disagree with you. In my experience it seems that white folks are more into the whole "biracial" thing than others. And if you get into the adoption world it's really a big thing. White adoptive parents are really into making sure everyone knows the child is biracial NOT black. It's like somehow it's better if they are biracial than black. So often times they are really hyping the biracial thing. I would say that might be more of a California thing. But I've heard it so much from people all over.
     
  20. SirNice

    SirNice New Member

    I think you are proving my assumtions...you guys generally dont know...I mean as a black person, you may not know what they are mixed with white/latin/filipino, but you usually know that they are biracial...I think with white people they just dont have a clue...if the hue of your skin is darker than theirs, you are BLACK
     

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