White Women Are "Easy"?

For the record, I said it was a slap in the face (but failed to specify that it only pertains to those who are SEVERAL cuts above the typical bw) to THOSE women, because although you say not to confuse men hating bw with hating their actions, it would be TOTALLY denying the fact that there are MORE than enough bm who really and truly hate bw, and they automatically become part of the 'angry, ghetto, etc bw collective' regardless of what they do. How would you or anyone feel if some racist white person, or any racist for that matter, refer to you as 'you people,' or 'you blacks,' when you aren't responsible for the welfare or livelihood of other blacks? Or being seen as having no separate identity of your own besides just being a black person? Being under constant scrutiny and trying to live a life that dispels any stereotype of what is expected of a bw/bm is hard, when you have other people out there who make it impossible for those trying to rise above mediocrity or the status quo. Maybe YOU don't, but there are more than enough who really and truly hate bw. Anytime I have written, I have made an effort not to 'blanket' people by using referrals such as: 'some bw,' 'a lot of...', 'many...' instead of just saying bm, bw, or whatever. Just like I wouldn't like if people always referred to me as 'you people', 'you women', or anything where I have to automatically be thrown into that bw collective. Of course I'm a bw, but I prefer being my OWN PERSON. Not what everyone else thinks I am or supposed to be. If I felt bm were so awful and bad, I wouldn't waste extra typing space being equally critical of bw, I'd just take a one-sided stance. I'm sick to no end of bw who have a litter of kids by 3 different dads. I'm sick of bw who don't know how to act in restaurants, or ANYWHERE for that matter. I'm sick of bw who refuse to go to school. (school isn't for everyone, but don't complain about how bad a situation is, and then not improve your chances by furthering your education) But I have already stated more than enough times that bm are entitled and have reason enough by experience to feel how they do. I would never acknowledge that fact if I'm wanting to just pick on bm... so what is it that I have denied? I don't recall ever being denial over anything, I've just been saying that BOTH bw & bm have every reason to do what's necessary to make them happy, but at LEAST without so much hostility toward the other. And a lot of bw are EQUALLY as guilty of the same name-calling/finger pointing.

 

As far as being REJECTED by bm in being one of the bw often dumped for ww, I honestly felt that wasn't fair for even assuming that. I have dated more than several bm in the past who were nothing short of upstanding. I've been dumped before, but certainly not for being stupid and obnoxious. Black relationships have the same dynamics as any other relationship; some were ended because we found we weren't compatible, or going two separate directions in life. Doesn't mean that they've ended on a sour note. I've never had any trouble attracting bm regardless of WHO I've dated just by demeanor, modest dress, and a not-so-snippy attitude. I surely hope you weren't under the impression that I thought along the lines of the other bw you've had as posters. I haven't even flamed anyone here.

 

Your time is up!

Browneyes,

This has gone on long enough, time to put a stop to this merry-go-round and get back on track. Let's make this simple. I gave you a challenge that you have avoided. Perhaps you need a reminder.

Also recall that you said;

Then what's taking you so long to meet my challenge? From one individual to another it should not be hard to do. After all its only fair that if you are going to treat people individually that you would be dealing with their comments and complaints on an individual basis. But you clearly have not. So if you claim:

and also;

....then I want proof. In depth personal testimonies are good enough. You're lying and I'm calling you liar and an exaggerator. AND I MEAN YOU INDIVIDUALLY! [There are some black men that are racist against their own but not in the numbers you claim. In fact I've never meet a black man that hated black women because they were black nor have I ever read those sentiments in the old forum which should have been the case if there were more then enough of them around.] Name names and point out who said what and exactly how it proves that there are more then enough black men that hate black women just because they're black, which is being racist against their own race. If there are more then enough black men that truly hate black women then you should have no problem bringing me the proof. Put up or shut up. You cannot talk about individuality when it suits you and then make generalized comments like these that completely avoid the individuals. This is exactly what I meant by you being cowardly which you have yet to prove otherwise though you claim that I'm just accusing you and deny it along with denying that you are in denial.

You say:

and also

Where's the proof? How many black men do you know have turned down the most gorgeous, ambitious, good-mannered black women on the face of God's green planet? I know of NONE, but I do know of black men that are looking for them. Give me some examples of these types of men and the gorgeous good mannered black women they reject soley because they're black, because again you're lying. And if not I demand proof! Since it isn't a rare occurence you should have plenty of examples lined up for me. No excuses. This is your ultimatum. You either start providing the proof for things like these or begone. Such passive disturbances will not be tolerated. Until you have met these demands any other post you make will henceforth be deleted!


-The Spade-

 

The strength of white women

Well, this is the first time I've heard this but here is my response:

You think I'm weak because I'm white? Like white people have no problems? Live ten years - any ten years - of my 27-year life before you decide I'm weak. Find out what it's like to be me and then make an educated decision. :?

Perhaps the reason bm like ww is because ww can live through difficult times and become strong without becoming mouthy and tough. We can have a quiet strength. We can be secure in ourselves without having to convince others of how secure we are.

**edited for grammar

 

Took the words right out my mouth

Thank you, thank you, thank you...for saying that. My sentiments exactly!

-The Spade-

 

And another thing...

And to add to my previous post on this subject, what people do in bed is up to them. Am I not the best one to decide for myself what is beneath my dignity? If both partners consent to a sexual act, how does that make them undignified?

I realize we're talking in broad terms here; obviously stereotypes are based on generalizations. It's just that I usually go out of my way to avoid generalizing as it not a productive way to look at life.

 

PACIFICPEACEFUL; Hey, I can see you are one very intelligent woman and agree with everything you've said. Like I said in one of my earlier post in this same part of the forum, white women are strong and demonstrate those strengths everyday. Yes, white women demostrate a quiet strength, and because of this I think most men (both black and white) find white women much easier to deal with than (the others). Although I'll admit asian women are easy to deal with also. I don't find white or asian women to be rude, mouthy, unjustifiably conceited, and starved for attention like (the other) women.

 

Re: Truly disturbing

If you want to know the root of animosity that black men and black women have towards each other, read "The Willie Lynch Letter."

 

Willie Lynch Letter?

Madscientist:

Brotha, don't tell me you actually believe in the myth of the Willie Lynch Letter? Come on. This letter is a fake and a fraud. Just more propaganda to get black folks all riled up (and drawing from the past more excuses as to why we don't know how to behave).

Regarding the Willie Lynch Letter:

The provenance of this speech has been the subject of much scholarly (and not-so-scholarly) debate. We wish to add $0.02 to the discussion, and allow us to say that we believe very strongly that this speech is a ridiculous fake, written in the 1990s (there's no record of it being circulated before 1993).

First, the writer of this speech has made hardly any attempt to use the writing/speech style of the early 18th century.

Second, the author was not at all successful at steering clear of very specific anachronisms. We'll name only the most glaring word-choice errors: fool-proof, used in the speech, actually dates from only 1902. The noun program is not used in the sense found in this speech until the 1830s. Self-refueling is an utter anachronism, as the term refueling did not arise until the early 20th century. Use of installed when referring to something other than a person did not first occur until the mid-19th century. Moreover, attitude did not refer to anything other than a physical position until the mid-19th century.

Third, a speaker would hardly need to so carefully identify the date and place of his speech, nor would he be likely to refer to King James as "our illustrious King, whose version of the Bible we cherish", unless he were a person of the 1990s making a clumsy attempt at writing a fake speech from the early 18th century. We cannot imagine why the writer introduces the theme of "James... our illustrious king" unless it is merely to emphasize that this took place in colonial times. Only someone creating a fake would need to try to establish a date for the speech within the fake itself. And, by the way, James was long-dead by 1712, the monarch of that era being Queen Anne.

Finally, there is no evidence that a William Lynch from a "modest plantation" in the West Indies ever existed. There is, however, plenty of evidence for the existence of Captain William Lynch of Pittsylvania, Virginia, whom we have identified as the probable source of the verb lynch, and who was born fifty years after the date given in the speech above.

There are other obvious characteristics of the speech which render it a 20th-century creation. Some of these are discussed at a web site devoted to the subject and created by Anne Taylor, collection development librarian at the University of Missouri-St. Louis. By the way, Ms. Taylor seems to be one of the first to have posted the speech on the internet. She obtained it from the publisher of a free publication in St. Louis, The St. Louis Black Pages, dated 1994 but published in 1993. This is the earliest reference we've been able to find to the Willie Lynch speech in print. We think it's time to send Willie Lynch's speech to the urban legends department. For information on another attempt to revise history using etymology, see our discussion of the origin of the word picnic.

Regards,
Paisley Demby, with email contact information above...
http://www.freemaninstitute.com/lynch.htm

The circulation of this letter demonstrates all too well the propensity of black folks to continue to use sorry excuses for ourselves regarding our lack of progress in relation to other groups in our society. The very notion that some white fool who's been dead (if he ever existed) for nearly 300 years still controls the behavior of black people living today is, in my estimation, extremely racist and destructive, not to mention just plain sad. Wake up! No one controls you but YOU!

 

The atrocities of slavery in North and South America, Australia, India, South Asia, Africa, Spain, etc is a clear testament to the methods and practices outlined in the Willie Lynch letter whether it is authenic or not. Subsequently, as Mad scientist pointed out, or at least as it can be applied, the letter can be used as a means and outline to understand racist ideals of that day which were very real then and are still very real now though covert. There were unspeakable types of horror set forth against blacks that make what was spoken of in the so called Lynch letter look lenient which is evidence of the degree by which certain powers went through to enslave and destroy black people not just in America but all over the world. Of course the letter is not a pass to be used as an excuse to further individual crimes and stereotypes by black people and hebrew people. Yet, while we must take responsibility for what we do let's not underestimate the enemy or enemies that still work against black people to this day.

As the topic relates to white women being easy it would certainly be true compared to other mouthy and contentious women, as in many American black women that deny it being so. However, when you cross the path of "easy" black women they will admit the same truth that Pacificpeaceful made. In fact, any woman that clashes with today's farce of the modern day woman's image is destined to be labeled easy, uneducated, and other things to vilify and convert them into the borg feminist mindset.

The other day I caught an episode of "Oh Drama" on Bet, hosted by three black women, one of whom was half hispanic, where the issue of black men not having a preference for black women was the topic. Two black men were brought out to give their perspective and in the beginning of the discussion one of the female hosts put forth her objection to generalizations of black women as unfair, the audience applauded. Keep that in mind. Two black female guests were brought out who hated black men like those that the hosts were talking to. One of which had an obvious attitude before she even sat down which was precisely the type of attitudes black women claim they don't have. Anyway, lastly there were two more black men who were brought out, one being a owner of a dating agency in South America and the other an author of several books on relationships. The author pointed out that whereas women in the States had to work up to a marriage over months and possibly years there were men in South America who leave the country and find hispanic brides in two to three days and bring them back home as their wives. (I noted this as it also coincided with what Ethiopian men do when they return home, consult with various families and return to America with a great wife - of which I salute) He also remarked that these women were not college educated, having degrees and good careers of which the three hosts peppered a response that these men wanted women who couldn't speak english or just wanted slaves...or something along those lines. After the commerical break they spoke with an hispanic man sitting in the audience that claimed that the hispanic women the black men talked about were just after green cards which basically was prostitution. The audience applauded. (I noticed how the audience swayed with the partyline of the hosts. Where they had applauded one of the host's objection to generalization they applauded when another man made a wrongful generalization that backed the black women's views) It took the two black men, the author and agency owner, to point out that that the hispanic man's statement was a gross generalization (of which happened in some cases) and that there were hispanic women who were beautiful on the outside and the inside who would have stayed where they were (dispelling the greencard stereotype) if they could find a good man to love them as many hispanic men have a bad reputation for being dogs. Where they lying? No. After I saw the show I checked the board and read Tonydevin comments on the topic american white women, vs european white women where he basically validated what the men had said. Also, a hispanic woman from the audience spoke on her relationship with her black boyfriend that she meet in college as being one not based on race but based on the person for which she was booed.

In any case this was another example of women labeling other women as "easy" who didn't fit their partyline.

-The Spade-

 

There are women out there that act as if they don't understand why they can't find a decent man although they are well educated with a degree or more, ambitious, and independent while other women without these things have men gravitate to them. They then character assassinate their competitors out of spite, associating words like "easy" or "passive" (which is correct in the right sense) with lewd, improper, or demeaning acts which is more suited for themselves. These ladies have lost something very very valuable along the way which is their womanhood and feminity, and all the material possessions and education in the world cannot replace it. Men want women who act like women not men, its a basic and simple understanding.

-The Spade-

 

HELLO TO EVERYONE. JUST THOUGHT I'D TAKE THE TIME TO MAKE SOME SERIOUS COMMENT HERE ABOUT THE ABOVE POST AND WHAT I PERCIEVE TO BE A FALLING AWAY FROM THE INTEREST OF THIS WEBSITE. NOW TO START OFF I THINK IT'S REALLY TOO BAD THAT SO MANY OF YOU HAVE TAKEN EVERYTHING POSTED HERE SO SERIOUSLY. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE EVERYBODY'S BEEN PISSED OFF BY WHAT ONE ANOTHER HAD TO SAY, AND THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PLACE WHERE WE - THOSE WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN BLACK MALE/ WHITE FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS - CAN COME TOGETHER TO COMMUNICATE AND SHARE OUR THOUGHTS WITH ONE ANOTHER. THIS WEBSITE HAS A HELL OF A LOT OF POTENTIAL FOR EVERYONE TO SEEM LIKE THEY'VE JUST GIVEN UP ON IT.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT EVERYONE HAS ALLOWED THIS PERSON GOING BY THE NAME OF 'BROWNEYES' TO CAUSE ALL KINDS OF ANIMOSITY AMONG OURSELVES. COME ON YOU GUYS, THIS SHOULD NOT BE! JUST BECAUSE THIS PERSON NAMED BROWNEYES HAS A CHIP ON HER SHOULDER ABOUT WHAT WAS POSTED ON THIS SITE SHOULD NOT CAUSE US TO BECOME BITTER TOWARD ONE ANOTHER. THIS PERSON NAMED BROWNEYES COULD HAVE CHOSEN A MYRIAD OF WEBSITES DEALING WITH INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS IN GENERAL, BUT INSTEAD SHE CHOSE TO COME HERE - A SITE THAT WAS PURPOSELY DESIGNED FOR BLACK MEN/WHITE WOMEN. AFTER READING WHAT WAS POSTED BROWNEYES COULD HAVE EASILY JUST GONE ELSEWHERE, BUT INSTEAD SHE CHOSE TO STAY HERE AND POST A BUNCH OF ANGRY REPLIES DIRECTED TOWARD THE BLACK MEN ON THIS SITE WHO WERE DOING NOTHING MORE THAN EXPRESSING WHY THEY CHOOSE WHITE WOMEN OVER BLACK WOMEN. IT'S PRETTY APPARENT TO ME THAT BROWNEYES SIMPLY DOES NOT LIKE THE FACT OF BLACK MEN CHOOSING WHITE WOMEN OVER HER. IN FACT, I DON'T BELIEVE BROWNEYES IS A BLACK WOMAN INVOLVED IN AN INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIP AT ALL. SHE'S PROBABLY JUST ONE OF THOSE WOMEN YOU SEE IN PUBLIC WHO SNICKERS WHEN SHE SEES A BLACK MAN WITH A WHITE WOMAN AND IT'S BOTHERING HER SO BADLY THAT SHE DELIBERATELY WENT ONLINE AND SOUGHT A WEBSITE LIKE THIS ONE JUST SO SHE COULD GIVE THE BROTHERS A PIECE OF HER MIND. THIS SUSPICION IS FURTHER SUBSTANTIATED BY THE FACT THAT SHE IS THE ONLY BLACK WOMAN (SUPPOSEDLY IN AN INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIP) TO HAVE POSTED ON THIS SITE. I'M SURE THAT OUT OF THE THOUSANDS OF VIEWS THIS WEBSITE GETS THAT MANY OF THEM ARE BLACK WOMEN WHO ARE ACTUALLY IN INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS. BUT KNOWING THAT THIS IS A WEBSITE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR BLACK MEN/WHITE WOMEN, THOSE BLACK WOMEN MOST LIKELY OPT TO GO TO A SITE GEARED TOWARD WHITE MEN/BLACK WOMEN TO POST THEIR OPINIONS. THEREFORE BROWNEYES SOLE PURPOSE FOR COMING HERE WAS TO STIR UP TENSION OUT OF HER DISLIKE OF THE BROTHERS INVOLVED WITH WHITE WOMEN.

BUT AS FOR US, WE HAVE TO BE ON OUR GUARD AND RESPOND TO THESE HOSTILE ATTACKS FROM THOSE WHO ARE AGAINST OUR INTEREST IN THE APPROPRIATE MANNER. REMEMBER, OUT OF ALL THE THOUSANDS OF VIEWS THIS SITE GETS, NOT ALL OF THEM ARE FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE FRIENDLY TOWARDS INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS. NO, NOT BY A LONG SHOT. A LOT OF THOSE VIEWS ARE FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE TOTALLY AGAINST INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS AS WELL. (ESP. THE ONES INVOLVING BLACK MALES/WHITE FEMALES). THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE SUPPORTING THIS WEBSITE AND NOT BECOME DISCOURAGED IN ANY WAY BY WHAT SOMEONE MAY SAY ABOUT OUR THOUGHTS AND HOW WE FEEL ABOUT OURSELVES. IF THIS IS THE WAY EVERYONE IS GOING TO REACT IN CYBERSPACE WHEN SOMEONE GIVES THEIR THOUGHTS ON BEING INTERRACIAL (WHETHER YOU LIKE WHAT WAS SAID OR NOT), THEN I'D HATE TO SEE HOW YOU ACT IN THE REAL WORLD. TO THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE OFFENDED BY SOME OF THE POSTS IN THIS OR ANY OF THE FORUMS, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED YOU OUGHT NOT GET INVOLVED IN INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS. IT TAKES MUCH MORE THAN LOVE TO BE INVOLVED IN AN INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIP. IT TAKES UNDERSTANDING AND PERSEVERANCE. WANTING TO (STOP COMING) TO THIS WEBSITE JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID BY SOMEONE ELSE SHOWS THAT YOU ARE THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO IS CONTROLLED INSTEAD OF BEING THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO'S 'IN CONTROL'. HELL, WHAT DO YOU DO IN THE REAL WORLD WHEN YOU HEAR THINGS YOU DON'T LIKE, LOCK YOURSELF IN THE HOUSE? EXCOMMUNICATE YOURSELF FROM THE REST OF SOCIETY? THEN WHAT? INSTEAD OF RUNNING AWAY YOU OUGHT TO USE THAT MOMENT AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE YOUR OWN OPINION AND PROBABLY BE ABLE TO SHARE SOME EMPOWERMENT.

THE WOMAN NAMED 'PASSION' GOING OFF THE DEEP END THINKING THAT BLACK MEN AND BLACK WOMEN HATE EACH OTHER, EVERYONE FEELING LIKE THEY HAVE TO GO ON THE DEFENSIVE, ETC. ETC. IT'S CRAZY! IT SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THIS. HELL, SOMEONE HAD THE VISION TO GO AHEAD AND CREATE A WEBSITE LIKE THIS FOR PEOPLE LIKE US WHO ARE INTERESTED IN BLACK MALE/WHITE FEMALE RELATIONSHIPS; AND I FOR ONE AM VERY THANKFUL FOR IT.

SO I SAY LET'S CUT OUT ALL THE CRAP AND GET BACK TO DISCUSSING THE THINGS THAT INTEREST US AS BLACK MEN AND WHITE WOMEN WHO LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING IN INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS.

 

Chillbill,

Great post but....um.... :roll:...you're late. I put a stake through the heart of this vampire of a conflict and laid it to rest sometime ago, having sought to move this topic back to where it was supposed to be by not emphasizing the past scrimmage. Make no mistake this type of annoyance is finished, and no other such disturbances will be tolerated I assure you. As a moderator, I allowed Browneyes to go on for as long as she did because prior to the change to the new forum she was a productive and positive poster that I didn't have any problems with. If she were anyone else she would have been banned and had her posts deleted from the start. Her disruption was passive, below the radar, but had the same effect of one that would have been aggressive and I finally had to put a stop to it. Passion followed suit and was banned and had her comments deleted. Now we can move on and get back to where we were.

-The Spade-

 

I would like to get back to the original question.

I can honestly say that I am not "easy" in the sexual sense. When I was a teenager I decided that I wanted to remain a virgin until I was married. The fact that I have dated men of color hasn't had any impact on that decision. I'm a 28 year old virgin for God's sake, how easy could I be? lol

I will say that among my group of female friends most of the objections toward non-vaginal penetration, non-missionary position sex have been made by black women. I don't know why that is the case, I can only tell you what my experience has been with my circle of friends. When I tell people that I have made this commitment to chastity (which is something that I do on very rare occasions, people usually think that I'm a loser or that I used to be really ugly and only recently started to look presentable) they usually assume that I'm frigid or a prude. I'm neither. I don't think that there is anything dirty about sex and I'm more than willing to try anything within the context of the marital bed unless it includes inflicting serious pain or involving another person. I don't think that my "free spirited" attitude has anything to do with my skin color, I think it has everything to do with having a healthy attitude toward sex.
It's my opinion that modern society has their ideas about sex completely turned around. If you understand that sex was designed by God, not only for reproductive purposes, but to make marriages strong, loving, and healthy, then you can't buy into the modern ideas about sex. So many people think that they need to have their fun before they're married and then resign themselves to a life of boring sex. That doesn't make any sense to me. Wouldn't we all be more comfortable with the person we've chosen to spend our lives with, the person we love more than anyone but God? I would think that it would be infinitely easier to indulge in fantasies with a spouse. You know that they can't go home and never call you again the next morning if you got a little too crazy. You now that you aren't going to scare them off. You can feel safe and secure in their love for you and therefore indulge in any kind of play you like.

Anyway, that's what I think. To each their own.

 

Chillbill,

IS YOUR CAPS LOCK KEY BROKEN OR SOMETHING?

 

amy wrote:

No. I just did that to get your attention. And as you can see, it worked out perfectly.

 

Not Easy at All

I don't believe White Females are easy. They are just easy to the brothers they concidered attractive and have the skills. I as a Black man would like to get a White woman but in the United States that is a imposibility.

 

Why do you think that, Soulthinker? Where exactly do you live to make you think this?

 

Southern US

I live in the Southern part of the US namely NC. I come to the conclusion because that is what most White women wanted in the city in the state of NC. I had to come to Europe to find one and it would be a waste of time to come to the so called "liberal areas" in the USA.

 

Come up here...

Soulthinker and africanboychild, maybe you gentlemen should come to Canada. 8)