Where did your facination start?

holy *@*#Y#

 

DAYUM!

This one's got it BAAAAAAADDD!

:lol:

 

Because...that would be too easy. Whats life without a little drama?

But seriously, Ive thought about it and come to realize that its human nature. Not just for black people, but all people. Not matter where you look in the world, there will always be people who want to distinguish themselves from others in one form or another. You would like to think its about "bettering" themselves, but its not. Its about saying,"Im better THAN YOU." (Money, power, class, religion, physical features, education...I could go on.)

And now with 24-hour media, the internet, and national and worldwide publications, things that were once "secret" or not well known are now open and available for all to see, judge, and comment on. (You ever notice how so many internet sites have areas where you can comment at the bottom of the article? Kinda like every letter to the editor being published.)

You kinda have to take a broad look at American History and Black American History for the last 200 years to get idea of this division among blacks.

Blacks in America has always been caught between a rock and a hard place. White Corporate America is the key holder and its easier for them to accept things (characteristics) that they are used to or things (characteristics) that are "similar" to them. That would include light-skinned blacks, blacks with long hair, small noses, small lips, and blacks who dont speak broken english. (Lets not kid ourselves and pretend that its not true.) So basically, those with power have set the standard and said who can and cannot join the party.

Now naturally, when that community, black people, see those who have the "good" jobs or are favored by the powers that be, are demonstrating or exhibit "white" traits, there's going to be resentment, jealously, and anger. (For one black person to insult another by calling the later an Uncle Tom or an "Oreo" isnt new.)

This divide among blacks is bigger than just how we talk, walk, or how much we choose to further our education. If you look at the 50'sand 60's, the height of the civil right's era, the big ridge separating blacks was whether to respond to violence with violence or exercise nonviolent civil disobedience.

Unfortunately, we, blacks here in America, have failed to take advantage of a golden era of prosperity here in America. Some has to do with racism. Some with socio-economic probems in the black community that existed long before any of use in this forum were here. (Its truly embarrassing the disparity between black schools and white schools here in America. And no...vouchers are not the answer.) BUT A LARGE PART IS SELF-INFLICTED. We're not active in our communities. We no longer stand up for what we believe in. AND WE DONT VOTE! Our numbers are too small (10% of the US population and shrinking) for us to be divided, silent, and unproductive.

We need to start voting in presidental AND LOCAL elections. Respect everyone, not just blacks, but especially blacks. (Im tired of people looking up to their doctor more than their barber. They are the same hard working man...or woman.) And most important, stop quitting! If you dont finish school...go back and try again. If you lose your job...go out and get another one. Its never too late to make yourself better than you were yesterday.

 

Carl Weathers ( apollo creed ) was the man, back in his day...

you got good taste

:wink:

as far as being drunk....

you are very coherent and lenghty...more than I get from the average girl with too much booze in her system

 

...and I thought I was long winded...lol

 

Seviya, I think your post was very eloquent. You write very well when tipsy Careful though, look how well that turned out for Hemingway

 

Let me say first that I agree with your statements. But part of me wonders . . . isn't the "golden age" here in America still sort of a white man's idea of prosperity? And while such prosperity may and does benefit other races, is it also the only answer? Does one honestly have to be educated to have a good, prosperous life? Well yes, according to the current prevalent society's rules. But isn't this just one set of rules - out of many?

Around the world there is fiancial security, health, and happiness in systems that are vastly different from the typical American one. I wonder how much cultures can actually blend and mix their ideologies, temperments, rules, etc., and come out with something that works for everyone across those cultures.

I'm not trying to discredit you at all, I'm just thinking out loud . . . (sorta)

 

Hmmmm...


Bartender, I'll have what she's drinking!

 

:smt030 yes, have some . . . :smt043

 

When I say "golden age," Im not talking about making money (prosperity) and the rich getting richer. I mean technological innovations that have make it easier to get an education being wasted. National economic prosperity that was a window for blacks to take advantage of slipping by. Not taking advantage of government programs (there's nothing wrong with that if they are not wasted) before the current administration wiped them from the board.

And as far as education goes, its the hurrdle that has been set before us by society. So as long as coporate america says you need one, you have to get one. The feeling among blacks is that "It not a matter of being able to do the job, its removing obstacles so "they" cant tell you why your not qualified FOR the job.

Does eveyone have to have a secondary degree...NO! But it opens the door to so many possibilities. Not to mention the fact that statistically speaking, those with a degree live longer, healthier lives. (And when I talk about getting a college degree, Im talking about those who want a secondary education. Not making "everyone' persue one.)

And you know what they say...If you aim for the stars and miss, you may still reach the moon.

 

that's pretty deep, man.

 

Be careful when you compliment me...the "Hand of Death" is always out there... :toimonster:

lol

 

I guess I better man up then

 

6 months wow your super new, how many brothas have you dated during that time and was they best boyfriends you had to come to your lengthy post? Because you sounded like it has been something you have always done, I usually hear ww who states their preference like that who only dated brothas, because it has been there since they first became attracted to bm. and the only other time it's described it like that is when it is just a phase in their lives because they are just so caught up during that time.

Is a fascination of what you think or an fascination of what you feel?
I ask that because often we get that confused as to why we have these phases, it be more of a fascination of the mind than a fascination of feelings.

I think because Im not sure
I feel because I know
My thoughts are spoken
but expressed for emotional growth
Remember
The mind is the leader but will play tricks on you
feelings hide but will always stay true

 

seviya, i thought i was quite the storyteller but it seems like you really could give me a good run for my cheddar.

 

Very interesting points! I didn't catch that. I had thought the bf was a long term situation.

hmmm very interesting.

 

I hear you on this. And after my first experience I too wondered whether it was simply a fascination of the mind, whether it was a phase. I've thought about it a lot. But then I realized thinking did me no good, and all that would benefit me was actual experience. And that experience has played out. Ooh it feels strange trying to validate my feelings on this subject, and I'm sure you didn't want for me to do that, just to think about things. So, I've thought about it, and more importantly I've experienced it, again and again and again (I'm, ah, not of the marrying mind just yet, if you understand me; though I am open to a long term relationship should it come round. If you want me to explain how I derive such intense satisfaction from these encounters, just ask me - it's not all sexual). Currently I'm socially inept at meeting new black men (as if you couldn't guess that from my other posts), but the black men whom I've been lucky to know have simply cemented my desire. There's just something . . . ahhhh . . .

I'm also lucky that so far they've all been good matches my personality - I'm not so giddy that I think every black man on the planet is a good match for me, simply because they're black!

And, as everyone here has said at one time or another, we all start somewhere . . . So I'm "super new", but this doesn't make my feelings on the subject any less real to me. I'm been through enough in my life to recognize when something truly ground-breaking has happened to me, and this, yeah, this is one of those things. That's why I'm so glad forums like these exist!! Forgive me if I'm rather gushing about it, but so it goes, when you find something you've been missing your entire life . . .

As always, I appreciate these kinds of discussions.

 

lmao...keep drinking Seviya! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

I appreciate your honesty, Seviya. It is refreshing to read.

 

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:smt012

but :mrgreen:

edit: thank you Effie. I really enjoy reading your posts, btw