what about the racist "friend".

Yeah I know that some of you Africans like to come down from your trees and wrestle monkeys and alligators for fun.

Since I only said "some", I'm not being racist.

 

Wow i thought we had gotten past that stage of words like golliwog, although i do remember when they still used to be on the Jam Jars (Robertsons Jam i think?) that was only the early 90s so not that long ago, terrible really.
Plus i also did not realise as a kid, that it was meant to be a white person who had been blacked up. :smt009

 

Yeah, I might have said something like that as well, but about other groups than Pakistanis. It's not the individuals as such that bothers me. But we've had several incidents here where some groups seem to drag old conflicts from their home countries with them here. Although I know it's wrong to judge a whole group of people by what a few members do, it's really hard not to do it. I think it's a normal human thing to do, and not just for white people. Hb, who will always claim not to have prejudices if confronted, clearly has a problem with French, Frenchphone Cameroonians, and Muslims...

 

You know, to be honest, I have never heard of that word until this thread. Is that good or bad (that I've never heard if before)? :smt102

 

The problem here, is that the word golliwog is associated with racism in the UK. It would not be too different to saying, "look at that black guy over there he looks like a gorilla". Now even though this statement is only saying one black person looks like a gorilla, if a white person said this it would be seen as racist. It really doesn't matter what context it used in; if you a say a Black person looks like some primitive being, you always going to get accused of racism. Considering her educated background, she should have been aware of this, and not made this association. I dont know if she is really a racist, or if this was the slip of the tongue, but if I was a betting man; I would bet most Black people in the UK would have found this offensive and racist.

 

Since marrying a black man I suddenly no longer have any (openly) racist friends. Funny how that works.

 

Hostile Sexism Score: 1.82
Benevolent Sexism Score: 1.64


That sexism test was interesting, although as you had to answer what country you were from, i wonder if that affected the result because of what's considered average by the country you live in standard? i wonder.

 

Maybe. I did mine and didn't read what my results said. I don't know what it means. I'll have to go back. Sometime.

 

Yea, I've lost a couple friends. It seems after I got with a BM, they decided to find racist AB KKK white dudes for boyfriends. Oh well, I still have my man :smt050 He's all I need.

 

Notice it has blue eyes? It's meant to be a white person wearing black face make up (like minstrels) showing a stereotypical depiction of an African (wild, fighting with animals, barbaric).

 

Yep, they did. It was an elderly woman who gave me and my sister them. I didn't have a clue what they represented. Mine was actually pretty cute but I won't be giving Jake one.

Here's an article about a lady who sold them http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-452477/Police-order-shopkeeper-remove-golliwogs-window.html
She was made to remove them from her windows and things.

 

See, I try to be optimistic and...
Heh, I see that now, thanks for breaking it down for me.

 

Absolutely. She said she used it as a "term of endearment"... endearment my ass, that word never has positive connotations.

 

I agree completely... also we have to include other forms of discrimination like ageism and discrimination against people who suffer disabillities.
I can't stand to be around racists, homophobes or sexists. I couldn't really be good friends with someone like that, I don't know what we'd have in common and I'd just argue with them all the time.

 

Exactly.

 

Yeah, I got a friend like that. He's racist against everybody pretty much. If they aren't white, he'll crack on them. It goes for Russians as well. He thinks it's always a joke n' shit. He expects every black person to laugh at a black joke when he's messing around, when he needs to realize that not everybody plays that shit. I let him joke around, but he takes it too far a lot of times. I have to tell him to shut the fuck up when he uses the N word. All my friends will make some black jokes, which I don't mind, because I laugh at racial jokes from comedians of all races n' shit, and aren't one of those people who will laugh at a white person joke by a black person, and get shitty at a white person for making a black joke. I try not to be one sided.

My one friend though takes the shit too far though. Nobody else in my group crosses the line. Literally EVERY time a black person is involved in something, there's a joke to go along with it. He'll say "I was on the bus, and this one black dude", followed by a joke. One of my boys told me back in like 11th or 12th grade, they were in a restaurant, and some black woman was kinda fucked in the head, asking for change and bugging out, and asking to use the bathroom or some shit. She ended up peeing her pants, and as my friends drove off they said something like "HA!!! Serves you right. You pissed yourself", and the racist friend said "Yeah, that's because you're a nigger!!!". And my friends look at him, and they're like "....wow. Good job dude. You killed it. It was all fun, until you had to kill it." No joke. I wish I was in the car to hear him say that. Haven't heard of any other incidents like that for a couple years, and I hope it stays like that.

Bottom line, he plays around too much. And that whole "I'm not racist. I have a black friend, Middle Eastern friend, Russian friend, Mexican friend, etc." shit don't work with me.

 

Ronja are you referring to the refugees?

Generally what I tend to find with Southern Africans is they may not be racist. But a lot of are Xenophobic, towards other Africans, usually their poorer neighbours. Like South africans towards Zimbabweans, and in Swaziland they are xenophobic towards people from Mozambique. Unlike your husband they are pretty vocal about their xenophobia.

 

Hmm...interesting friend!

 

So did the situation become morally indefensible upon making fun of a mentally ill woman or calling her a "nigger?"

And you should learn how to better discern worthwhile associations from worthless ones.

 

I'm glad you brought this up. Since I date bm and have a few gay white male friends I get to see both sides of the coin, so to speak. My friends used to say racist shit from time to time until I called them on it, and some of the bm I've dated try to make disparaging comments about gays. Very people in both groups can see that they suffer the same prejudicial affliction.

My brother and I were talking about Prop. 8 passing during the election last November. We suspected that while the election for Obama brought out record numbers of minorities, they were also the minorities that feel gay marriage is wrong. I've enjoyed reading a few interesting bell hooks articles on the racism/sexism perspective, as well.