University of Oklahoma Frat disbanded and students expelled

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  1. orejon4

    orejon4 Well-Known Member

    There was a frat at Mizzou during my undergrad years that was like this. They had a Confederate cannon on the front lawn and a black dog rumored to be named...you guessed it. I think it was Sigma Chi.

    In this case, I think the free speech issues are going to be a problem for the university potentially. The fraternity has a right to expel them from the organization, but the university as a government entity cannot violate their free speech rights as long as it did not contain threats or other unprotected statements. Loki, could you provide some legal advice on this one?
     
  2. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    I don't think it was just the use of the N-word in the song that was questionable.

    There's a line they used that talked about lynching and hanging Blacks that was the real problem.

    It's bizarre to me how some people can be so invested in their race hatred, to the point it defines a part of who they are.

    From what I'm reading OU can't kick those kids out of school..free speech and all that B.S.

    Let them stay. 90% of their SAE Sooner brothers who weren't on that bus hate the living shit out of those guys for getting their frat house kicked off campus.

    Everyone else is going to be looking at those dudes like they're the Jr. KKK.:smt096
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2015
  3. FG

    FG Well-Known Member

    That was my whole point as I stated in another post in here, the n-word wasn't the worst problem, but somehow, my "friend" conveniently ignored that so I couldn't deal with his bullshit anymore
     
  4. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Some people truly lack compassion
     
  5. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    How much is it at?
    The chef is probably pissed that he's out of a job because of the N word. A slur he's probably heard throughout his life at one point or another. I mean I would be pissed too if I was him, like the irony is not lost.
     
  6. FG

    FG Well-Known Member

    Yup. Pretty much and I have no tolerance for bratty privileged people having no compassion and twisting the reality to fit their "view". Fuck em.
     
  7. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Well the irony here is that he is getting a taste of what many Blacks in the South felt/got just for exercising their freedom, period.

    Yeah, the word is one thing, but these jerk-offs were mocking the lyching of southern black men. Seriously?

    I just dont get it. I will never get used to seeing the comfort level that some people have when it comes to racism and using that word, and watching those boys sing about lynching like it was nothing. It's really shocking when you don't grow up around this... suddenly you're just surrounded by it everywhere. In this country, it's all race race race.
     
  8. APPIAH

    APPIAH Well-Known Member

    Parker Rice, parents of Levi Pettit apologize for ‘horrible mistake’ made in OU SAE video


    Robert Wilonsky Follow @RobertWilonsky Email rwilonsky@dallasnews.com
    Published: March 10, 2015 11:50 am


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    Update at 6:40 p.m.: Moments after Levi Pettit’s family apologized for their son’s behavior in the SAE video, Parker Rice — the recent Jesuit College Preparatory School of Dallas graduate — sent his own apology, via his father Bob. Here it is in full:

    “I am deeply sorry for what I did Saturday night. It was wrong and reckless. I made a horrible mistake by joining into the singing and encouraging others to do the same. On Monday, I withdrew from the university, and sadly, at this moment our family is not able to be in our home because of threatening calls as well as frightening talk on social media.

    “I know everyone wants to know why or how this happened. I admit it likely was fueled by alcohol consumed at the house before the bus trip, but that’s not an excuse. Yes, the song was taught to us, but that too doesn’t work as an explanation. It’s more important to acknowledge what I did and what I didn’t do. I didn’t say no, and I clearly dismissed an important value I learned at my beloved high school, Dallas Jesuit. We were taught to be ‘Men for Others.’ I failed in that regard, and in those moments, I also completely ignored the core values and ethics I learned from my parents and others.

    This sign now sits in front of the Rice house in Northwest Dallas.
    This sign now sits in front of the Rice house in Northwest Dallas.
    “At this point, all I can do is be thoughtful and prayerful about my next steps, but I am also concerned about the fraternity friends still on campus. Apparently, they are feeling unsafe and some have been harassed by others. Hopefully, the university will protect them.

    “For me, this is a devastating lesson and I am seeking guidance on how I can learn from this and make sure it never happens again. My goal for the long-term is to be a man who has the heart and the courage to reject racism wherever I see or experience it in the future.

    “Thank you for your consideration of my deepest apologies for what I did.”

    Bob Rice says that “at the moment, we are not doing interviews.”

    Update at 6:17 p.m.: The family of a second Dallas-area family has confirmed their son can be seen in the now-infamous University of Oklahoma SAE video. And they are apologizing for his actions.

    Moments ago The Dallas Morning News received a statement attributed to Brody and Susan Pettit, parents of recent Highland Park High School graduate Levi Pettit.

    “As parents of Levi, we love him and care for him deeply,” says the statement, which has also been posted on this website. “He made a horrible mistake, and will live with the consequences forever. However, we also know the depth of our son’s character. He is a good boy, but what we saw in those videos is disgusting. While it may be difficult for those who only know Levi from the video to understand, we know his heart, and he is not a racist. We raised him to be loving and inclusive and we all remain surrounded by a diverse, close-knit group of friends.

    Levi Pettit, seen here in a 2013 photo, was a star golfer at Highland Park High School (Elisabeth Dillon/File photo)
    Levi Pettit, seen here in a 2013 photo, was a star golfer at Highland Park High School (Elisabeth Dillon/File photo)
    “We were as shocked and saddened by this news as anyone. Of course, we are sad for our son — but more importantly, we apologize to the community he has hurt. We would also like to apologize to the — entire African American community, University of Oklahoma student body and administration. Our family has the responsibility to apologize, and also to seek forgiveness and reconciliation. Our words will only go so far — as a family, we commit to following our words with deeds.

    “To our friends and family, thank you for your kind comments and prayers. They are very comforting in this difficult time.

    “We ask that the media and public please respect our family’s privacy as we come together to heal and determine next steps.”

    Bill Coletti, who is serving as spokesman for the family, says they will say nothing further. He also says the family dispatched the statement since media members had begun to ask about his role in the video.

    Levi Pettit was a star golfer at Highland Park.

    [Editor’s note: This story has been updated since it was originally posted.]

    University of Oklahoma President David Boren has expelled two Sigma Alpha Epsilon members captured on video singing a racist chant. The two students were identified in a statement as having played “a leadership role” during the bus ride caught on video. And, says the president, more students are likely to be expelled once they are identified.

    One already has, and he’s from Dallas.

    The Dallas Morning News has confirmed that recent Jesuit College Preparatory School of Dallas graduate Parker Rice, a former football player at the school, was the one seen leading the chant. OU will not say if Rice was among those expelled, but Jesuit officials addressed the revelation Tuesday morning without identifying the 19-year-old by name.

    “In the recent video regarding OU and the SAE fraternity, it appears that a graduate from Jesuit Dallas is leading the racist chant,” says a message from Jesuit Dallas President Mike Earsing. “I am appalled by the actions in the video and extremely hurt by the pain this has caused our community. It is unconscionable and very sad that in 2015 we still live in a society where this type of bigotry and racism takes place.”

    A Jesuit spokesman would later identify Rice as one of the fraternity members seen in the video.

    The statement from Jesuit came hours after several Twitter accounts, among them one linked to Anonymous, identified the leader as a Dallas native.

    The OU student identified as Parker Rice, a recent Jesuit graduate
    The OU student identified as Parker Rice, a recent Jesuit graduate
    Former classmates have taken to social media to defend Rice, insisting he is “a good guy and NOT a racist.” But far more have suggested he “better not go out in public for awhile,” in the words of one user. There have been a few death threats as well.

    The 19-year-old Rice has erased his social media presence; so has most of his family, including his mother, who has deleted her Facebook page. The father’s work phone number has been disconnected; the house number is not accepting any further voice mail messages.

    And a recently posted story about Rice and his brothers — one of whom is also a SAE member at OU — was deleted this week from the Dallas school’s website.

    Rice’s father, Bob, a commercial Realtor, has deep ties to North Dallas, where the family lives. He serves on the boards of the Town North YMCA and North Dallas Chamber Baseball League and has volunteered in various capacities for those organizations over the last two decades.

    Catherine Bishop, OU’s vice president for public affairs, tells The News via email the school will not name the students who were expelled or involved in the video: “The record information is confidential pursuant the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act.”

    The SAE chapter was shuttered Monday by University of Oklahoma president after a video surfaced Sunday night showing several young men clad in tuxedos singing about how black students would never be allowed into SAE. And the national Delta Delta Delta sorority said it too is “cooperating fully” with the university, since several OU Tri-Delts also appear to have been aboard the party bus.

    Boren called the fraternity members “disgraceful” and deemed their behavior “reprehensible.”

    Former Dallas Cowboys and University of Oklahoma head football coach Barry Switzer, an honorary SAE, issued a statement Tuesday afternoon in which he said “this situation is unfortunate for the many innocent people involved.”

    Said Switzer, “As a long-time supporter of the University and member of the SAE chapter, I know the majority of our students don’t condone or participate in bigotry. These incidents are not a reflection of the true spirit of our campus. I hope that we can begin to heal the wounds by avoiding rhetoric that fuels the fire and instead spend more time thinking about how we can collectively create positive relationships and interactions among our campus family.

    My conclusion:
    Excuse: our children are not racists they have black friends it was just a mistake.
    Yeah right. Racism no longer exists and white privilege is a myth
    :cool:
     
  9. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    ^^^ So the other kid's ownership of wrongdoing and apology meant nothing? You focus only on the lame response of the parents?
     
  10. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Hes a kid who did a really dumb thong and is paying for it. The university did the right thing and we should move on. However his ownership was bs. He did it causehe got caught. If he were truly thoughtful this would have never occurred at all. It just sucks that he has to carry the brunt of it because he was far from the only one chanting he just got caught on video.
     
  11. APPIAH

    APPIAH Well-Known Member

    His apology doesnt mean shit. You think he is aplogising because he is sorry or because he was caught. :cool:
     
  12. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    Both. Something like that can really stand someone on their ear. It's very possible this did. He could've taken the easy way out and made a one-line apology. Better yet, he could've let Mom & Dad apologize for him like the other kid. But instead, he acknowledged all those he failed, both the black community and those who raised him.
     
  13. APPIAH

    APPIAH Well-Known Member

    He is sorry because he got caught. The last thng i will do is try to give props to a vile racist and give him the benefit of the doubt. You are at liberty to do that though:cool:
     
  14. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Real talk listen to the words of the song. Bet we wouldn't be talking about forgiveness has the song been about raping women
     
  15. archangel

    archangel Well-Known Member

    I got to agree with appiah. All they needed were white sheets. I mean there were talking about lynching. That organization is a cesspool of racism from the fraternity mother saying the n-word multiple times to the singing
     
  16. Ches

    Ches Well-Known Member

    I'm not defending him. But this could be a catalyst for genuine change. And genuine change begins with repentance.
     
  17. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    True. Sorry or not he's still a bigot.
     
  18. APPIAH

    APPIAH Well-Known Member

    And you know that his public show of remorse is genuine because he is a nice white kid who went to a Catholic prep school i guess:cool:
     
  19. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    Are we really discussing how a racist who got CAUGHT, found Jesus and is apologizing

    I love you Ches but they're right

    If he wasn't on 'the worlds dumbest students on video' show, he'd be happily singing more songs and talking about their 'nigger' cook who serves them food and 'yes bosses' a bunch of brats for a steady paycheck
     
  20. pettyofficerj

    pettyofficerj New Member

    I dunno....maybe someone posted about this before.........but a panel on MSNBC has officially blamed rap music for what happened at SAE

    It was only a matter of time before someone blamed the victims for the madness
     

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