Two Texas Students Won't Stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

An excerpt from the article:

Two Students Refuse to Stand During the Pledge

What do you all think of this situation? Thoughts? Comments?

 

are the students black?

 

Highly unlikely.

 

Shit is stupid and pointless, I hardly stood up for it. Most of the time I was able to get away since the other kids standing up covered me.

 

I stopped pledging allegiance a long time ago. Even though I'm an American citizen I have no patriotism for this country. I have my reasons.

 

That's cool that you're exercising your individual right to do whatever it is you please. I honestly avoided such things when I was in elementary and high school years. To me, I figured it's a waste of valuable time where I could study on some material.

You know what sucks? Getting punished for it. I never did, but some of the teachers basically write people up for "disrupting the class".:smt017:smt011

 

Let hope so...since its only done K-12.

 

I don't care...stand if you want to...

what I don't get is how can you live in a country you claim you hate
no pride in
do not support

..if so...man fucking leave. I swear I believe that in my heart of heart. Folk hate America so much. Get the fuck out.

 

This right here...

...and here is the problem I have with CHILDREN. This is what the rule says....period. If you don't like the rule you change it but you still follow while its a rule. And something that could have been solved so easily. "hey mom, I don't want to be forced to stand" Mom writes a note....and boom.

These kids got a bug up their ass about not follow this particular rule. Just din't feel like it one more.....thumbing their nose at authority.

...and these are the children we raise.

 

Based on what's in bold, you're overracting way too much. The students simply didn't want to stand and do the damn thing. It doesn't mean that they hate the country. No patriotism =/= hate. People felt that way with the previous adminstration because of all the follies it created and felt ashamed to be part of a country that's based on fear. But they never expressed deep hatred for a country. If they did, they would have left or went on a shooting spree and created militias.

You can still exercise your patriotism in other ways, too. Not simply reciting something won't make you less patriotic. Come on. When people overract like that, they've been sipping too much weeded kool-aid.

 

Ha!

These kids didn't just sit around and rebel to look cool in class, they actually contacted The American Civil Liberties Union.
Two average students got the school to change a rule that they didn't like. I'd say that's pretty damn resourceful and an accomplishment to be proud of.

 

I was speaking of these students in my reply...I was speaking in general.

 

Piffy man,

And these kids did nothing more than gain attention. What all they could have done is what I wrote about. its not even a HARD rule. No punishment, no suspension, nothing...

...kids aren't even FORCED to say.

...its an attempt at a lil 15 min of fame.

 

I haven't recited the "pledge of allegiance." in over 20 years...in fact for almost 2 decades most school have the rules, but students are not forced to recite it.

allegiance? I had to struggle to even remember the words..

...and I've been in uniform over 20 years.

 

Yeah but then all the other students would still have to get a note which I'm sure 95% of them didn't know they had the option of doing.
By doing this...they not only helped any student who didn't want to stand up, but they helped inform the students at their school of their rights.


I'd say all in all a win win. Nobody loses in this situation.

 

Many died for our freedoms. We can stand or sit or ignore altogether. That's the freedom they died for.

 

Ah okay okay. Fair enough then.

I'm pretty sure that the teachers, let alone the administration would overlook them since it's pretty much outdated.

 

In schools here the pledge is and option. I would never force my students to say it. I do every AM and so do some students. refuse to violate their rights

 

I don't see an issue... if you don't want to stand, you don't want to stand. It is what it is. Some people demonstrate patriotism in different ways, and perhaps standing with the hand over the heart (which is not how it was originally) is just not one of them.

Personally, when I do have to recite the pledge now, on those rare occasions, I recite the pledge as it was written in 1892, not that bastardized version we say today.

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

 

How is this less bastardized? Because you don't say God? Lol
Patriotism died nearly a century ago it's about facism at this point. There is no more USA it's the United States of Apple, Exxon Mobile, Microsoft, Subway, and McDonalds.