TRUMP Thread

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bliss, Nov 11, 2016.

  1. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Year of jail...lol!

    It is a felony, punishable by fine and imprisonment up to 20 years, according to 18 U.S. Code 1519, to destroy, conceal, cover up or falsify any record or document whether on paper or on any digital device with the intent to impede or obstruct the investigation of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States.

    "....The pattern of deceit through controlling and destroying documents and records in order to facilitate and obfuscate self-dealing and political crime started early in Hillary's career.

    While her husband faced impeachment, stiff monetary fines and a near million dollar settlement as well as disbarment for five years, Hillary Clinton skated with no accountability for anything in her incredibly checkered career.

    - There were the missing records documenting the statistically impossible profits from cattle futures trading,

    - the disappearance of Hillary Clinton's billing records from the Rose Law Firm — under subpoena by Federal and Congressional investigators — where she previously worked on matters related to the Whitewater real estate sham,

    - the removal and destruction of a hard drive from the computer of her former Rose Law Firm partner and then-White House Deputy Legal Counsel Vince Foster, whose death by gunshot wound was ruled a suicide in the midst of the Whitewater investigation.

    - And then there were the missing documents from the White House Travelgate scandal — documents that would surface two years later — showing Hillary's duplicity and contradiction of prior statements.

    As egregious, scandalous and unlawful as much of this was, it was small time and just a warm-up to what was to come after Hillary became Secretary of State, at which time she insisted on using a private computer server and email address — about which she was warned would be vulnerable to hacking and security breaches — for the purpose of avoiding public scrutiny and accountability while indirectly helping the Clinton Foundation raise enormous sums from governments and parties with whom she was also interfacing as secretary of state.

    It is now clear that this was all done to evade Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests and federal government record-keeping laws and obfuscate conflicts of interest while serving as secretary of state.

    But it all began to unravel after Hillary left office and was required to testify before a House committee on Benghazi in October 2015 and answer questions about the terrorist attacks on the U.S. Consulate on September 11, 2012.

    It was those hearings that brought to light the existence of Hillary Clinton's secret, unsecured, do-it-yourself server.

    And then it was learned that she not only stored classified and top secret information in an unsecured location, but that she had also authorized the destruction of subpoenaed evidence — some 33,000 emails — after she was put on notice of the existence of the subpoena.

    These violations are felonies with stiff penalties and there were at least six other laws that appear violated for which Hillary could be indicted.


    What is now waking up Americans about the seriousness of Clinton family self-dealing and the need for prosecution is the realization that the Clintons were at the center of what appears to be the biggest political corruption scandal in U.S. history.

    - The fact that the Clinton Foundation's single largest aggregate donation of some $145 million came from various parties linked to the Uranium One sale to the Russian government nuclear agency Rosatom makes this the mega-case of Russian influence and corruption.

    Before the Declaration and the U.S. Constitution were even written, Samuel Adams observed that, "neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt."

    Political corruption in America has now become like cancer destroying people's trust in government and their respect for the rule of law..."

    Mannafort has nothing on Hillary. Mueller needs to hop to it, pronto.
     
  2. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    The source (which she does not cite) of Bliss's information above is IBD...

    These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.


    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/
     
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  3. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Ah there he is, my resident stalker.

    So..this mediabiasfactcheck site you entrust in your attempts to refute my Investers Business Daily post content...tell me Loki, does it refute the content?
    Can YOU refute the content?

    Furthermore, can you refute the claim that your source of dispute - mediabiasfactcheck - is itself cited as unreliable and inept...using flagrant and simplistic natures of bogus critiques'?

    So let's cut to the chase.
    Prove my post of Hillary's nefarious acts, wrong.
    Then we will see if IBD, or your mediabiasfactcheck website, is correct Take your time.
     
  4. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    Stalker no, fact-checker yes. I posted the mediabaias Factcheck site to show that you cannot take one side's view of things as the "only" truth, you posted an OPINION piece. All sources below are rated either "Left Center" or "Least Biased" Lets take these one by one, you claim...

    - There were the missing records documenting the statistically impossible profits from cattle futures trading,

    Per below she was investigated by the Merchantile exchange with NO findings of wrong doing
    "After the Clinton trading matter became public, Leo Melamed, a former chairman of the Mercantile Exchange, was brought in by request of the White House to review the trading records. On April 11, 1994, he said that the whole matter was "a tempest in a teapot" and that while her brokers had not required her to provide typical margin cushions, she had not knowingly benefited." https://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/12/...fit-commodities-account-white-house-says.html

    - the disappearance of Hillary Clinton's billing records from the Rose Law Firm — under subpoena by Federal and Congressional investigators — where she previously worked on matters related to the Whitewater real estate sham,
    "As it relates to Whitewater, a December 1995 report by the independent law firm Pillsbury, Madison & Sutro report found no evidence of the Clintons’ and particularly Hillary Clinton’s participation in fraud. Pillsbury’s task was to assess whether federal regulators could justify a lawsuit legally and cost-effectively. The report found that they couldn't, but the report and its authors didn’t and still don’t view their findings as exoneration." https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...linton-says-hillary-was-completely-exonerate/

    - the disappearance of Hillary Clinton's billing records from the Rose Law Firm — under subpoena by Federal and Congressional investigators — where she previously worked on matters related to the Whitewater real estate sham,

    MULTIPLE investigations have debunked any conspiracy or wrongdoing by the Clintons regarding WHitewater.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...vince-fosters-suicide/?utm_term=.d7aa023185ba

    - And then there were the missing documents from the White House Travelgate scandal — documents that would surface two years later — showing Hillary's duplicity and contradiction of prior statements.
    "Independent Counsel Concluded Decision To Fire Employees Was Lawful. In a June 2000 report on the firings of White House Travel Office employees, Robert Ray, a Republican-appointed independent counsel assigned to investigate the Clintons, wrote that the decision to fire the employees was "lawful" and that "the evidence is insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt" that either former White House director of administration David Watkins or Hillary Clinton "committed perjury or obstruction of justice during the course of their testimony before GAO, the Congress, and this investigation."

    All the talk about her emails amounted to nothing after MULTIPLE investigations including Benghazi
    https://www.factcheck.org/2018/08/clintons-emails-weiners-laptop-and-a-falsehood/

    Uranium One a scandal, from Factcheck.org
    "It may be that individuals and companies sought to curry favor with Hillary Clinton and even influence her department’s decision on the Uranium One sale. But, as we’ve written before, there is no evidence that donations to the Clinton Foundation from people with ties to Uranium One or Bill Clinton’s speaking fee influenced Hillary Clinton’s official actions. That’s still the case. We will update this article with any major developments."

    So there you have it Bliss, multiple investigations from 3rd parties with no findings of wrongdoings from the Clintons. Now as I stated above some of the links are somewhat left biased, which is why I keep imploring you to investigate BOTH sides before forming your views on a topic, there is spin and agendas on both sides.
     
  5. RicardoCooper

    RicardoCooper Well-Known Member

    You'd think a near-death experience would make you step back and reassess. But nope, Bliss is right back here trolling. There's a subset of women (usually black) who get their rocks off arguing with intelligent men. They knowingly take the shit side of any issue just to keep the conflict alive. I guess the good news is that the forum or at least the political threads would be dead without her. SMDH
     
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  6. DudeNY12

    DudeNY12 Well-Known Member

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  8. z

    z Well-Known Member

    Damn, Cavuto nailed it!!!
     
  9. Thump

    Thump Well-Known Member

    Trump makes a ridiculous assertion, so members of the U.N. literally laugh at him.



    He's like that kid in elementary school who bullies other kids and brags about how awesome he is, and then is shocked when nobody shows up at his birthday party.
     
  10. DudeNY12

    DudeNY12 Well-Known Member

    IKR! Part of me thinks that their laughter initially confused him, and possibly (given his ego) totally flew over his head. The laughter (both times) spoke volumes. I didn't see Fox News' coverage, but I heard that they edited out the laughing part.
     
  11. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

  12. DudeNY12

    DudeNY12 Well-Known Member

    Absolutely! In my last back-and-forth with a Trumpster... The Trumpster said the garbage about how blacks are supposedly doing much better under this president. I simply told him... I see today's situation (in terms of unemployment numbers, markets etc), and I refuse to see this president as any sort of savior as I'm aware of the economy he inherited. Also, that most of us have a vivid memory of the economy now, 1/2017, and both 48 and 96 months prior. Of course most anti-Obama folks (including Trump) totally ignored and/or disputed an important thing like the unemployment rate until this POTUS came along.
     
  13. Tony Soprano

    Tony Soprano Moderator

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  14. z

    z Well-Known Member

    Despite his all shenaneganis, antics, short comings....it appears Trump might be winning his 2nd term. I am yet to see who is going to unsit him. Don't see anyone: Cory Booker, Uncle Joe and Harris could try all they want but the Trumpster will stick by him no matter what and they are going in to poll booth with droves to put him back in the oval office.
     
  15. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Not if he tanks the economy and trust me he will.
     
  16. z

    z Well-Known Member

    Man the prediction was we were going to see the economy crashing worse than the 1929 depression era by late August and September but here we are mid October and NO major issues. I dunno but it looks like Trump is going to skate all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania avenue, unless he gets bored and decide not to run
     
  17. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Just because it's a slow time coming doesn't mean its not coming. The reason you haven't seen anything has a lot more to do with the economy created under Obama and the stock buy backs. Don't fall under the complacency spell my friend.
     
  18. Thump

    Thump Well-Known Member

    I've discussed this topic with a friend, and he is convinced that the only way to assure a victory over Trump in 2020 is to run a white male candidate against him. Because it would undercut a big part of Trump's strategy of using the fear of a loss of (white male) power to energize his base. The thinking is that it will be easier for scared white people to accept the Democratic platform if the message is coming from a relatable face.
     
  19. z

    z Well-Known Member

    In that case, Kanye will be running on independent ticket then
     
  20. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Which you and Bill Maher would LOVE to see happen. SMH.
     

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